emergencies requiring hospital visits...

rh71

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let's talk suburbs at least... why is it that people call an ambulance when it's usually faster if they drove to the hospital themselves (someone else in the house) ? Our local hospital is 15 minutes away (I've gotten there in 10 if I hit all the green lights)... if I called an ambulance, it would take at least 5-10 of those minutes for it just to get here.

Think about what you would do... for something like a heart attack or deep chest pains...
 

Yo Ma Ma

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If possible I would have someone drive me to the hospital, I wouldn't want to be driving while I'm having chest pains/heart attack unless I absolutely had to.

In some cases though it would make sense to call an ambulance since they can treat you on the way to the hospital, so even if you can get there just as fast, you gain by being treated sooner by paramedics.
 

rh71

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... I thought about that already... but I wonder if it still beats getting to the hospital yourself right away... out the door. If you're really that desperate, your driver can even skip a few lights *CAREFULLY*.
 

DAGTA

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I'd rather be driven a hospital, if possible. Most EMTs I have met are very incompetent.
 

Kadarin

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Not only do you get treated by EMTs, you also get a higher priority when you go into the ER. If you're having serious chest pains and suspect a heart attack, for example, it's worth the ambulance trip as opposed to dying in the ER waiting room.
 

rh71

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just thought of this... what's the associated cost for the ambulance ride ? I remember in school, they charged for it separately from the health fee. Just curious.

The one time I was having abdominal pains (subsequent spleenectomy)... I didn't even think twice... called a friend in the other dorm to drive me right away... an ambulance never even entered my mind... I guess subconsciously I thought it would take too long - and I was able to walk on my own power at that point.
 

ApacheXMD

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if i just got shot in the head -> ambulance
abdominal pains -> get someone to drive

-patchy
 

Aquaman

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Well........... when the Washington Capitals draft Ovechkin (sp?) and he is a bust............ and you have a heart attack........... try driving your self ;) :D

Cheers,
Aquaman
 

iliopsoas

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It doesn't take very long for emergency crews to get to you. The last time I called 911 for my grandmother, paramedics arrived within 5 minutes. Besides, you wouldn't want to be driving if you have chest pain or other grave medical conditions. A heart attack can cause sudden death...and it wouldn't be very nice of you to take out innocent bystanders.

EMTs can administer treatment and stabilize you en route to the hospital. Furthermore, they are constantly in contact with other healthcare providers who can guide them if needed.
 

rh71

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Originally posted by: Aquaman
Well........... when the Washington Capitals draft Ovechkin (sp?) and he is a bust............ and you have a heart attack........... try driving your self ;) :D

Cheers,
Aquaman
All I have to say is damn the players association for not allowing me to watch him play at all...
 

vi edit

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just thought of this... what's the associated cost for the ambulance ride ? I remember in school, they charged for it separately from the health fee. Just curious.

Last fall my pops had to ride in an ambulance after he passed out from an asthema attack. The distance was about 10 miles. He got a bill in the mail for $800.
 

Aquaman

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Originally posted by: rh71
Originally posted by: Aquaman
Well........... when the Washington Capitals draft Ovechkin (sp?) and he is a bust............ and you have a heart attack........... try driving your self ;) :D

Cheers,
Aquaman
All I have to say is damn the players association for not allowing me to watch him play at all...

Those bastads at the NHL & NHLPA better get something together............. I don't want to miss a season......... although maybe the new WHL will be playing on tv :D

Cheers,
Aquaman
 

vegetation

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Originally posted by: rh71
... I thought about that already... but I wonder if it still beats getting to the hospital yourself right away... out the door. If you're really that desperate, your driver can even skip a few lights *CAREFULLY*.

That's just the problem. Unless you've been trained in an emergency driving course, you really have no idea what you're doing by going through red lights and could *easily* cause accidents to other vehicles, bicyclists and pedestrians, some that you would never even be aware of since a driver on a mission tends to have tunnel vision. It's also very easy for a friend or family member driving you to lose their cool, taking way too many risks, with the result of only more people needing to go to the emergency room. This is definitely a case by case basis kind of thing, as obviously in some situations you would not wait around for an ambulance, but for most people at home, it is a viable option.
 

DingDingDao

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Originally posted by: DAGTA
I'd rather be driven a hospital, if possible. Most EMTs I have met are very incompetent.

As a former paramedic, I'd like to respond to your comment.

1) Paramedics have to have extensive training in order to be certified as EMT (basic, intermediate, or otherwise). We also have to continue to take training courses in order to maintain our certification. While I'm not denying that there are incompetent EMTs out there, who here works in a field where every person is an expert and extremely proficient at their job? There are morons in every line of work. However, I would rather have someone who is trained in emergency treatment helping me, rather than not.

2) Regardless of whether an EMT is capable or not, even a moron can administer nitroglycerine and put a person on oxygen. Unless you have a defibrillator, oxygen, nitrous oxide, IVs, epinephrine, etc. etc. and your car says MICU on the side, I think I'd rather stick with the ambulance.

3) It is not nearly as safe to drive yourself to the hospital as it is to ride in an ambulance. Most major cities now employ a system called Opticon. If you look at a signal light assembly some time, you'll probably see what looks like a little metal bird sitting on top (a small cylinder with a tube coming out of it). That little bird is an Opticon sensor, and it responds to light received at a very specific frequency. When activated, the Opticon turns every light in the intersection red and gives the ambulance (or fire engine, or whatever else) a green light with a protected left turn. That is why riding in a ambulance is significantly safer than trying to "safely" run a red light in an emergency. I shouldn't even mention the bright lights and loud siren.

4) It has been several years since my work as a paramedic, but I still find myself stopping at accidents to render aid every once in a while. It is absolutely astounding what untrained people do that they believe will help an injured person. More often than not people do more damage than good (I've seen people try to move a person with a neck injury, and one time try to administer CPR to a conscious person).

5) On a side note, in the wake of 9/11, people have become very deferential to firefighters. I completely agree with this sentiment, but it's interesting to see that the same deep respect hasn't seemed to extend itself to other members of that community (police officers, paramedics, etc. etc.) As a paramedic, I have seen and have been involved in very dangerous situations (if you've ever tried to render assistance to an injured motorist on a freeway while the traffic whizzes by at 75 mph, you'll know what I'm talking about). Police and paramedics put their lives on the line every day, and while it may not be as obvious to the casual observer, I believe it deserves respect.

Cliffs:
1) All paramedics are not incompetent
2) Driving yourself is NOT as safe
3) Where's the love?
 

Ausm

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Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Because the EMT's can start to administer drugs or stabilize the patient to help save their life?



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isasir

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Originally posted by: vi_edit
just thought of this... what's the associated cost for the ambulance ride ? I remember in school, they charged for it separately from the health fee. Just curious.

Last fall my pops had to ride in an ambulance after he passed out from an asthema attack. The distance was about 10 miles. He got a bill in the mail for $800.

Was that just for the ambulance ride? MY friend went to the hospital earlier this year in an ambulance, and the total for ambulance and ER was about $800. I think the ambulance portion was around $300.
 

jagec

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Ambulance bills are really, really high, so I've decided a few things in my case.

For things like broken legs, sprained ankles, cuts that don't hit arteries, sickness and so on, I will get someone to drive me.

For time-critical things like heart attack, arterial bleeding, etc, call an ambulance.

And due to my current financial situation, I won't even go to the hospital unless there is no chance of being able to fix it myself. So, broken leg I'll go, deep cut I can take care of myself.
 

T2T III

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Plus, you could be air-lifted to a better hospital that might be more specialized for the issue you are experiencing.
 

richardycc

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if you drive to the ER, they will tell you to register and wait in the waiting room, etc. If you are getting a ride from an ambulance, they will see you right away. take your pick.
 

jagec

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Originally posted by: richardycc
if you drive to the ER, they will tell you to register and wait in the waiting room, etc. If you are getting a ride from an ambulance, they will see you right away. take your pick.

$400 buys me a LOT of sit-down-and-wait.
 

DrPizza

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Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Not only do you get treated by EMTs, you also get a higher priority when you go into the ER. If you're having serious chest pains and suspect a heart attack, for example, it's worth the ambulance trip as opposed to dying in the ER waiting room.

ER's don't work on a 1st come 1st serve basis for those who walk in... Patients are supposed to be assessed as soon as they come in - anyone having chest pain is dealt with immediately. (supposedly)

I've spent plenty of time in the ER the last 2 or 3 years - kids are constantly injured (bad streak of luck) and my wife was, until 2 weeks ago, working in the ER. Now she's happily a nurse on one of the floors.