Email I received overnight - does dean have a chance?

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Dear Martin,

This campaign has always defied conventional wisdom. Our extraordinary rise last year defied conventional wisdom?so did our fall in Iowa, and so did our comeback in New Hampshire after most pundits predicted Howard Dean was finished.

Conventional wisdom has been consistently wrong about this race.

So when conventional wisdom says a candidate must win somewhere on February 3, or that John Kerry will have wrapped up the nomination after fewer than 10% of the delegates have been chosen, we disagree.

Our goal for the next two and a half weeks is simple?become the last-standing alternative to John Kerry after the Wisconsin primary on February 17.

Why Wisconsin? First, it is a stand-alone primary where we believe we can run very strong. Second, it kicks off a two-week campaign for over 1,100 delegates on March 2, and the shift of the campaign that month to nearly every big state: California, New York, and Ohio on March 2, Texas and Florida on March 9, Illinois on March 16, and Pennsylvania on April 27.

In the meantime, Howard Dean is traveling to many of the February 3 states, sending surrogates?including Al Gore?to most, and conducting radio interviews in all. We believe that one or more of our major opponents will be eliminated that day, and that the others will fall by the wayside as our strength grows in the following days. As a result we have elected to not buy television advertisements in February 3 states, but instead direct our resources toward the February 7 and 8 contests in Michigan, Washington and Maine. We may not win any February 3 state, but even third place finishes will allow us to move forward, continue to amass delegates in Virginia and Tennessee on February 10, and then strongly challenge Kerry in Wisconsin.

Regardless of who takes first place in these states, we think that after Wisconsin we?ll get Kerry in the open field. Remember one crucial thing about the 2004 calendar?in previous years a front-runner or presumptive nominee would typically emerge after most of the states had voted and most of the delegates had been chosen. The final competitor to that candidate, even if he won late states, as many have done, has not been able to win a majority of delegates under any scenario.

This year is very different. The media and the party insiders will attempt to declare Kerry the winner on February 3 after fewer than 10% of the state delegates have been chosen. At that point Kerry himself will probably have claimed fewer than one third of the delegates he needs to win. They would like the campaign to be over before the voters of California, New York, Texas and nearly every other big state have spoken.

Democrats in Florida, who witnessed a perversion of democracy in November 2000, will not have a choice concerning the nominee if the media and the party insiders have their way.

We intend to make this campaign a choice. We alone of the remaining challengers to John Kerry are geared to the long haul?we?ve raised nearly $2 million in the week after Iowa, over $600,000 in the 48 hours since New Hampshire. No candidate?not even Kerry, who mortgaged his house and tapped his personal fortune to funnel $7 million into his campaign ?will have sufficient funds to advertise in all, or even most, of the big states that fall on March 2 and beyond. At that point paid advertising becomes much less of a factor.

And we alone of the remaining challengers offer a clear choice to Kerry. Howard Dean is no Johnny Come Lately to the message of change?he has actually delivered change in Vermont. Howard Dean has the courage and conviction to stand up for what?s right, even when it?s not politically popular, as opposed to the cautiousness, compromise and convenience that has characterized John Kerry?s 19 years in the Senate.

We believe that when the voters of the post-Wisconsin states?which constitute 75% of the delegates that will be chosen in the states?compare Howard Dean and John Kerry, they will conclude that Dean, not Kerry, has the best chance to beat George Bush, because only Dean offers a clear vision of change and a record of results that contrasts against the rhetoric emanating from Washington. We believe they will increasingly reject the rubber stamp presented to them by the media.

Has such a strategy ever worked before?

No. It's never been tried.

But prior to this year, no candidate had ever raised $46 million dollars, mostly from ordinary Americans giving $100 each. Prior to this year no candidate for President had ever inspired the kind of grass-roots activity that has been this campaign?s hallmark. Prior to this year no candidate for President had so clearly revitalized his party, allowed it to reclaim its voice, and shifted the agenda so clearly to a call for change.

Let the conventional wisdom and the media declare this race over. We?re going to let the people decide.

Roy Neel
CEO, Dean for America
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Now my question is - do people think skipping the Feb3 campaigning and try to go for the second wave will be a good or bad tactical move by the dean campaign?
Will this attitude of being a challenger to Kerry work?

CkG
 

DanJ

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1% of the delegates have been decided. Even if the media wants to state otherwise, everyone still has a chance.

1%!
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: DanJ
1% of the delegates have been decided. Even if the media wants to state otherwise, everyone still has a chance.

1%!

Obviously every has a "chance" but do you think this tactical decision by the dean campaign is good? Can they pull off this "best challenger to kerry" idea they are driving?

CkG
 

Ferocious

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I hope Dean doesn't win the nomination.

Bush will win re-election.

But for I hate the idea of him winning in a landslide.

He thinks he owns America now and Gore got more votes. Imagine if he won in a landslide!
 

DanJ

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Originally posted by: Ferocious
I hope Dean doesn't win the nomination.

Bush will win re-election.

But for I hate the idea of him winning in a landslide.

He thinks he owns America now and Gore got more votes. Imagine if he won in a landslide!
Bush will lose re-election. It'll be a Kerry/Edwards or Kerry/Clark ticket.

Bush will lose.
 

Strk

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Originally posted by: Ferocious
I hope Dean doesn't win the nomination.

Bush will win re-election.

But for I hate the idea of him winning in a landslide.

He thinks he owns America now and Gore got more votes. Imagine if he won in a landslide!

I blame New Hampshire for the loss! ;)
 

chess9

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I don't know whether this new approach by Neel will work. I got the same email since I contributed. Are you still contributing to Dean CAD? :)

Dean is running very low on money and contributions are falling. The writing may be on the wall for Dean.

But....Bush's people are starting to attack Kerry and lots of folks are saying not nice about him. He may crack and then fade. War hero or not....

Bush will win re-election because most Americans will not want to trade horses in mid-stream even if their horse is lame, blind, and dumber than a mule. (my apologies to the mules)

Nonetheless, I am voting for the anti-Bush candidate, even if it is Kerry. Dean has more cujones than Kerry by an order of magnitude and should be President. He's got the prescription for what ails America. :) (ugh)

-Robert
 

DanJ

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I don't buy this conceeding of Bush to win the presidency. The Dems have a lot to attack on in the debates: the war, the deficit, the economy (JOBS JOBS JOBS), the enviornment, health-care, etc...

Look at the polls lately; people are fed up. Record turnouts for the primaries thus far. People want the white house back. We have to stop assuming Bush will win.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: DanJ
I don't buy this conceeding of Bush to win the presidency. The Dems have a lot to attack on in the debates: the war, the deficit, the economy (JOBS JOBS JOBS), the enviornment, health-care, etc...

Look at the polls lately; people are fed up. Record turnouts for the primaries thus far. People want the white house back. We have to stop assuming Bush will win.

Bush has already won. The people that do the "Actual" voting have been long bought and paid for.
 

chess9

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DanJ:

That's just MY opinion. I'm an a****** and so I'm entitled to at least one. :)

I'm afraid almost all my friends think going with anyone but Bush is a bone headed idea. Of course, most of my friends can't remember where they put their car keys without calling in the National Guard, so how could you expect them to remember what a twit Bush is? :)

Most of America is sound asleep and the people who will benefit most from the anti-Bush candidate vote in very low percentages. Old folks and right wing Republicans do vote. Right wing Republicans probably get close to an 80% turnout. You do the math. It isn't encouraging, but that doesn't mean we don't fight the bastages. :) I love a fight I"m scheduled to lose. Keeps you strong....

-Robert
 

Strk

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Well, all we need is all the states that voted for Gore plus New Hampshire or Ohio(preferably both) and Dubya loses. The biggest problem I see is the south, which I'm sure I'm not the only one who sees them as a problem.
 

chess9

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Winning Florida is a distinct possibility this time around. And this is the most fired up I've seen the Democrats in 12 years. If they can get the young people, blacks and Hispanics out to vote, and if the old people can figure out the voting machines, then. yes, Florida goes to the anti-Bush. But, those are big ifs, particularly with us old people. We have trouble just thinking about walking and chewing gum. :)

-Robert
 

UltraQuiet

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Typically we wait until a person is actually dead before we bury them. Although I stand by my belief that Dean is unelectable as a Presidential candidate he is far from having lost his chance at the Dem. nomination.
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet
Typically we wait until a person is actually dead before we bury them. Although I stand by my belief that Dean is unelectable as a Presidential candidate he is far from having lost his chance at the Dem. nomination.

Unfortunately, the absurd notion that intelligence failures were the prime reason Bush got snookered into an illegal and profoundly ill advised conquest of Iraq, is the same excuse Kerry has to use to explain away his support for it. It seems to me to give Kerry a pass on this weakens the case against giving one to Bush. Hundreds of American soldiers have died and thousands are injured and damaged for life by this hideous and completely wrongly justified attack. This is an outrage of historical proportions. The American people are owed an explanation and they will not get one because the system of checks and balances that have gotten answers in our past will not work. The Republican Congress will activley prevent the American people from finding out the truth or even realizing the massive extent of the crime. The colossal blunder of the justification of war by WMD is an intelligence failure or it's a fabrication as an excuse by Bush. The source of the failure must be known and removed and repaired. The Republicans will block that from happening. This will make them traitors and those who support them traitors too.

Add to this the illegal allien fiasco, and the new billions overun the new drug bill we suddenly find and the conclusion is inevitable that Bush is totally incompetent to lead the nation. And it isn't any wonder at all because he was not elected. Bush is a staggering, huge, nassive, titanic, overwhelming and complete disaster.

Kerry and Evan Bayh might peal away Indiana and defeat Bush. But what can and should defeat Bush is Bush.

PS. Dean is dead.
 

Jhhnn

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We'll see how it shapes up. The Media And the Repubs have been fighting hard to create the classic Democratic candidate- it's familiar territory for both, makes their lives easier. Preferably a Liberal Establishment insider from the Northeast, who's been co-opted by special interests and whose record prevents too much squawking wrt the war, the deficits, unfair tax breaks for the ultra-wealthy...

It's obviously a mistake to let the repubs pick their Democratic opponent, but that's what's been happening with the ascendancy of Kerry and the so-called "electability" issue. The Repubs would really like to avoid any campaign of issues, and would rather wage a battle of "Image"- the whole thrust of the "electability" argument.

The Press is playing the public the way Eric Clapton plays the guitar in service to this framing of the election, whether they realize it or not... Dean may yet pull through, but I suspect that Kerry will have to trip up rather badly for that to happen.

Not only do we need to move Dubya Inc. out of the Whitehouse, we need to reverse the thrust of repub efforts wrt to taxation and spending, too, or we'll borrow ourselves into the poorhouse... Dean is the only candidate with the guts to speak honestly and openly of the need to do precisely that, and the only one with a proven history of making the hard political compromises necessary to achieve it.

It's high time to awaken from our dreamstate of false prosperity based on debt. The longer we wait, the worse it gets, the more likely the ultra-conservatives will create the America they want, one where the power of the wealthy and the corporations are pre-eminent, where the middle class is reduced to low wage servitude...

 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: chess9
Moonbeam:

Dean is only dead as long as Kerry is alive. :)

-Robert

Not sure he isn't at least according to heartsurgeon's post describing him as a bore. :D
 

Nietzscheusw

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Originally posted by: Jhhnn
We'll see how it shapes up. The Media And the Repubs have been fighting hard to create the classic Democratic candidate- it's familiar territory for both, makes their lives easier. Preferably a Liberal Establishment insider from the Northeast, who's been co-opted by special interests and whose record prevents too much squawking wrt the war, the deficits, unfair tax breaks for the ultra-wealthy...

It's obviously a mistake to let the repubs pick their Democratic opponent, but that's what's been happening with the ascendancy of Kerry and the so-called "electability" issue. The Repubs would really like to avoid any campaign of issues, and would rather wage a battle of "Image"- the whole thrust of the "electability" argument.

The Press is playing the public the way Eric Clapton plays the guitar in service to this framing of the election, whether they realize it or not... Dean may yet pull through, but I suspect that Kerry will have to trip up rather badly for that to happen.

Not only do we need to move Dubya Inc. out of the Whitehouse, we need to reverse the thrust of repub efforts wrt to taxation and spending, too, or we'll borrow ourselves into the poorhouse... Dean is the only candidate with the guts to speak honestly and openly of the need to do precisely that, and the only one with a proven history of making the hard political compromises necessary to achieve it.

It's high time to awaken from our dreamstate of false prosperity based on debt. The longer we wait, the worse it gets, the more likely the ultra-conservatives will create the America they want, one where the power of the wealthy and the corporations are pre-eminent, where the middle class is reduced to low wage servitude...

Great analysis of the role of the media and how people are so fooled.
But Dean may have fooled you too.
Why does he want everyone to be identified to go on internet?
He voted in favour of the Patriot Act and seems to be pushing for Patriot Act II with this measure.
How unsurprising considering how most candidates are really the puppets of the corporations, who dream of having ever more control over the people and reduce them to very very obedient workers and consumers. Isn't China a dream for many CEOs?
 

Jhhnn

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Dean didn't vote in favor of the Patriot act, he wasn't ever a member of Congress. Governors had no voice in the matter...

The anonymity and privacy of the internet is largely illusory, except for a select few who know how to manipulate it. I really don't see it as a real issue, anyway- if the govt wants my old liberal ass, they won't have any trouble finding me now, and that goes for about 99.9% of all users.