Elon Musk now owns 9.2% of twitter...update.. will soon be the sole owner as Board of Directors accepts his purchase offer

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Zorba

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True though that is, I don't think Trump himself has ever made it quite as explicit as Musk just did

“There is just a lot of super talented hardworking people in China who strongly believe in manufacturing, they won’t just be burning the midnight oil, they will be burning the 3am oil, they won’t even leave the factory type of thing, whereas in America people are trying to avoid going to work at all.”
The problem is when republican blue collar workers read stuff like that they think he is talking about the lazy, educated office workers.
 

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Ground based observatories are fairly large, and it would be, shall we say, extremey difficult to send equivalently sized mirrors into orbit.
Concept Telescope called Large Ultraviolet Optical Infrared Surveyor or LUVOIR. Would use either Starship or SLS to place a 8m+ Telescope in Sun-Earth L2. This telescope would allow the study of exoplanets and conduct other astronomy.

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Concept Telescope called Large Ultraviolet Optical Infrared Surveyor or LUVOIR. Would use either Starship or SLS to place a 8m+ Telescope in Sun-Earth L2. This telescope would allow the study of exoplanets and conduct other astronomy.

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It's not just size though - it's the time to develop space-tolerant stuff (and it potentially being not the latest and greatest by the time it gets off the ground), space telescopes having relatively fixed positioning (vs networks of ground observatories), not being able to easily repair and upgrade, and just the cost factor of putting something in space vs just keeping something on the ground.
 
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cytg111

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My reading comprehension skills are just fine. It isn't my fault if you lack understanding of how science progresses and improves lives.
To be fair what have Musk/SpaceX invented that improves lives of common folk?
The going through flippable rockets and a new engine design, best case I can think of is starlink… and satellite connectivity is not really “new” is it?
Ill argue the SpaceX’s eureka moment is still in the future.
 
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It's not just size though - it's the time to develop space-tolerant stuff (and it potentially being not the latest and greatest by the time it gets off the ground), space telescopes having relatively fixed positioning (vs networks of ground observatories), not being able to easily repair and upgrade, and just the cost factor of putting something in space vs just keeping something on the ground.
Well that IS the promise of spacex is it not? Cheap access to space and access with humans on board no less. Though Id imagine radiation at L2 is a bitch?
 

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So. Maybe his intellect caught up with his 14yo emotions...


(also, this reuters is 10 days old, so not like it suddenly popped up... someone looking for an xcuse...)
I'm starting to wonder if Musk is using the potential purchase, as a means of bending twitter to his will, then only to yank the rug at the last minute.

The current CEO recently fired two high level employees, that some are speculating may because it's what Musk wants.
 

cytg111

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*5th Circuit Ultimate Ruling Council of America yet again busts through wall like the Kool Aid man*

The constitution means whatever these guys say it does.

How does a social media enforce that though? You cant have someone “uncensorable” engaging with someone who is subject to all kinds of restraint… thats not a fair fight? Only way I see this working is silo’ing all Texans with Texans… but that would be censoring too? Does it even make sense?
 

cytg111

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I'm starting to wonder if Musk is using the potential purchase, as a means of bending twitter to his will, then only to yank the rug at the last minute.

The current CEO recently fired two high level employees, that some are speculating may because it's what Musk wants.
Yea, was thinking that too… internal polling shows that he has sold all the tesla’s possible to the leftish market, its saturated, but there is a big untapped potential on the right.. hmm… how to tap… TRUMP BACK ON TWITTER…
 

Zorba

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To be fair what have Musk/SpaceX invented that improves lives of common folk?
The going through flippable rockets and a new engine design, best case I can think of is starlink… and satellite connectivity is not really “new” is it?
Ill argue the SpaceX’s eureka moment is still in the future.
Cheaper access to space means "more" benefitial space activity.

This is like standing around in 1963 and saying "Well what has Boeing done for humans? They didn't invent air travel. This jet thing only benefits the rich and some corporations trying to stroke their ego."
 

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How does a social media enforce that though? You cant have someone “uncensorable” engaging with someone who is subject to all kinds of restraint… thats not a fair fight? Only way I see this working is silo’ing all Texans with Texans… but that would be censoring too? Does it even make sense?
According to this law they not only can’t silo Texans, they are also prohibited from ceasing operations in Texas. It’s one of those North Korea type laws where they try to prevent the people they are oppressing from escaping.
 

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Well that IS the promise of spacex is it not? Cheap access to space and access with humans on board no less. Though Id imagine radiation at L2 is a bitch?
Cheaper, not cheap. It's always going to take an enormous amount of energy to take mass up the gravity well of Earth, so you can make it cheaper, but I doubt you can make it cheap.

This whole Mars colony idea seems like bonkers nonsense. It would need massive and ongoing support from Earth, and colonist would essentially be in indentured servitude working to keep colony viable. Every time this comes up, I'm reminded of the workers on Mars in "Total Recall" when they shut off the air to make them comply.

Speaking of Musk and worker abuse, and his praise of Chinese work ethic. Remember all his complaints about COVID lockdowns in California. Well he hasn't said squat about Chinese COVID lockdowns. You know the ones where they lock the workers in the factories where they are force to live during COVID lockdowns.

I guess Musk it totally OK with lockdowns if they Lock workers inside factories. Lockdowns are only bad when the lock workers out of factories...


 

cytg111

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Cheaper, not cheap. It's always going to take an enormous amount of energy to take mass up the gravity well of Earth, so you can make it cheaper, but I doubt you can make it cheap.

This whole Mars colony idea seems like bonkers nonsense. It would need massive and ongoing support from Earth, and colonist would essentially be in indentured servitude working to keep colony viable. Every time this comes up, I'm reminded of the workers on Mars in "Total Recall" when they shut off the air to make them comply.

Speaking of Musk and worker abuse, and his praise of Chinese work ethic. Remember all his complaints about COVID lockdowns in California. Well he hasn't said squat about Chinese COVID lockdowns. You know the ones where they lock the workers in the factories where they are force to live during COVID lockdowns.

I guess Musk it totally OK with lockdowns if they Lock workers inside factories. Lockdowns are only bad when the lock workers out of factories...


I need to recuse myself…. cause I badly wants to see a human colony on Mars, I want us on the moon, Europa… space habitats, in general our evolution going upwards instead of inwards, infighting over resources and stupid gotmine politics.
 
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Well sure, if you want to be nihilistic we should probably just push the big red button and annihilate ourselves. Until that happens though, scientific advancement to outpace our destruction is the name of the game.
What does that actually mean in practical terms, though? How do you imagine this 'scientific advancement' (more 'technological' than 'scientific', surely?) is going to "outpace" climate change?
 

cytg111

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What does that actually mean in practical terms, though? How do you imagine this 'scientific advancement' (more 'technological' than 'scientific', surely?) is going to "outpace" climate change?
Well, in the larger scheme of things, if you manage to climate manage Mars you might be able to use that technological insight to manage climate on this rock… this just from the top of one neuron.
 

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What does that actually mean in practical terms, though? How do you imagine this 'scientific advancement' (more 'technological' than 'scientific', surely?) is going to "outpace" climate change?
Oh, to be clear I don't think it will. I personally am of the thought that we're staring down our extinction event (or near enough that human society will never be recognizable to us again). I'm just saying, if we're going to overcome climate change, it's going to be from scientific advancement outpacing it, not from us downstepping our energy usage and stuffing co2 back into the ground. And yes, when I say scientific, I mean technical innovations, as well as core scientific advancement. The latter often brings the former.
 

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I need to recuse myself…. cause I badly wants to see a human colony on Mars, I want us on the moon, Europa… space habitats, in general our evolution going upwards instead of inwards, infighting over resources and stupid gotmine politics.
Like that would solve political issues. It would just give Musk the power to control colonist by doing this:


Also, the a colony would be a massive ongoing drain on the Earth, with no end in sight. Just look lately how with the entire resources of Earth production is breaking down, leading to regular shortages. There is no realistic path to self sustaining Mars Colony given the utter lack of local resources and the deadly local environment.


Well, in the larger scheme of things, if you manage to climate manage Mars you might be able to use that technological insight to manage climate on this rock… this just from the top of one neuron.
You have moved from Science Fiction into straight up Fantasy. There is negligible atmosphere on Mars, and the surface radiation is deadly. There is nothing to manage.

The only way to survive on Mars would be deep enough underground to shield from radiation. You need about 5 meters of Martian Soil over your head to block radiation.

Movies make visiting Mars look like a fun adventure, but living your life in a sealed underground bunker would quickly lose it's charm.

"What's that, you would like to go back to Earth? Sorry you haven't worked off the cost of your passage to Mars yet, and with the food, oxygen, and interest, your debt is now larger than when you landed..."
 
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cytg111

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Like that would solve political issues. It would just give Musk the power to control colonist by doing this:


Also, the a colony would be a massive ongoing drain on the Earth, with no end in sight. Just look lately how with the entire resources of Earth production is breaking down, leading to regular shortages. There is no realistic path to self sustaining Mars Colony given the utter lack of local resources and the deadly local environment.




You have moved from Science Fiction into straight up Fantasy.
Well, so have you.
 

pmv

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I like science fiction, indeed used to be a huge fan of the genre as an adolescent geek, but I'm starting to think that maybe as a genre it has problematic elements to it, encouraging a kind of irresponsible blind optimism, of both a left and right-wing form.
 

pmv

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...I guess it can also be deeply pessimistic, as satire or a conservative-leaning terrible warning. As in 1984 or Brave New World or Frankenstein. But it seems like there's a whole school of techno-evangelism now, comprising of people who took the optimistic side of SF a bit too seriously.
 

pmv

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Once it would have been Sci-Fi socialism, engineers and proponants of big government programs thinking we could engineer a perfect world. Now it seems to be the techno-libertarians in the ascendent, but the dreams seems just as dangerous and insufficiently-thought-through.
 

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