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MrSquished

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A lot of big official accounts need to start at least also starting/keeping a Threads presence. Some people want to leave the cesspool that is Fascist Twitter, but can't follow certain accounts on other platforms. This Australian provincial government has had enough though

 

uallas5

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A lot of big official accounts need to start at least also starting/keeping a Threads presence. Some people want to leave the cesspool that is Fascist Twitter, but can't follow certain accounts on other platforms. This Australian provincial government has had enough though

Which will be first, Elmo telling the Victorian government to "go F* itself" or suing it for adversely affecting his business by violating his "free speech" rights?
 

Paratus

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Just an FYI but Musk just gave every North American Tesla with the hardware to do Full Self Driving a free month to try it out. So watch out for a lot of folks new to FSD trying it out.

It’s also out of “beta” and is now called “Full Self Driving (Supervised)” which to me is an admission by Tesla about the capability and a half step towards rectifying the optics of calling it Full Self Driving.

I gave it a shot today and it did a decent job of driving me to work. Biggest inputs I had to do was signal to force it around a van with its blinkers in doing 20 under the speed limit. It handled turns, stops, merging, pretty well. Even moved over in the lane when it saw a lawn guy edging along the frontage road.

For me though, it felt like teaching a 16 year old to drive. Constant vigilance (Supervision!) to make sure it wasn’t going to do something stupid.
 
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MrSquished

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Just an FYI but Musk just gave every North American Tesla with the hardware to do Full Self Driving a free month to try it out. So watch out for a lot of folks new to FSD trying it out.

It’s also out of “beta” and is now called “Full Self Driving (Supervised)” which to me is an admission by Tesla about the capability and a half step towards rectifying the optics of calling it Full Self Driving.

I gave it a shot today and it did a decent job of driving me to work. Biggest inputs I had to do was signal to force it around a van with its blinkers in doing 20 under the speed limit. It handled turns, stops, merging, pretty well. Even moved over in the lane when it saw a lawn guy edging along the frontage road.

For me though, it felt like teaching a 16 year old to drive. Constant vigilance (Supervision!) to make sure it wasn’t going to do something stupid.
That sounds so calming and relaxing. Can I pay 12K to get that experience?

And you are exactly right. As we all know from testimonials, it can do something really stupid at any time. No LIDAR/Radar. Brilliant move Elon.
 

Paratus

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That sounds so calming and relaxing. Can I pay 12K to get that experience?

And you are exactly right. As we all know from testimonials, it can do something really stupid at any time. No LIDAR/Radar. Brilliant move Elon.
Actually the first thing I did when I realized we had access to FSD was to check if I’d accidentally bought it through the app.

Anxiety has been my issue with the base autopilot as well. If I’m letting it drive I’m on edge. Personally I’ve been using it as a backup to my driving on long trips. I’ll have it on but I’m still driving like normal.

My car is old enough that it still has both the radar and ultrasonic sensors. Whether the FSD software stack actually uses them is another matter.

Since this is still a tech site I will say the visualization it does is impressive. It’s accurately seeing the road, cars, pedestrians, and traffic controls. So far the camera system looks viable. Interestingly when I’ve interrupted control it’s asked me to record a voice description of why so they can continue refining.

I’d say it can handle 99% of driving issues. Unfortunately it needs to handle about 99.999% to be truly autonomous.
 

Zorba

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Actually the first thing I did when I realized we had access to FSD was to check if I’d accidentally bought it through the app.

Anxiety has been my issue with the base autopilot as well. If I’m letting it drive I’m on edge. Personally I’ve been using it as a backup to my driving on long trips. I’ll have it on but I’m still driving like normal.

My car is old enough that it still has both the radar and ultrasonic sensors. Whether the FSD software stack actually uses them is another matter.

Since this is still a tech site I will say the visualization it does is impressive. It’s accurately seeing the road, cars, pedestrians, and traffic controls. So far the camera system looks viable. Interestingly when I’ve interrupted control it’s asked me to record a voice description of why so they can continue refining.

I’d say it can handle 99% of driving issues. Unfortunately it needs to handle about 99.999% to be truly autonomous.
And the problem is, the 1% it can't do well happens at random.
 

sdifox

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Actually the first thing I did when I realized we had access to FSD was to check if I’d accidentally bought it through the app.

Anxiety has been my issue with the base autopilot as well. If I’m letting it drive I’m on edge. Personally I’ve been using it as a backup to my driving on long trips. I’ll have it on but I’m still driving like normal.

My car is old enough that it still has both the radar and ultrasonic sensors. Whether the FSD software stack actually uses them is another matter.

Since this is still a tech site I will say the visualization it does is impressive. It’s accurately seeing the road, cars, pedestrians, and traffic controls. So far the camera system looks viable. Interestingly when I’ve interrupted control it’s asked me to record a voice description of why so they can continue refining.

I’d say it can handle 99% of driving issues. Unfortunately it needs to handle about 99.999% to be truly autonomous.
I was in my friend's model X driving on the highway with FSD. There were no cars near us nor any thing out of order and the thing decided to change lane to the passing lane. Scared the shit out of me. My friend had to change back. I asked him what happened and he said he didn't know but it happened from time to time.
 

manly

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I was in my friend's model X driving on the highway with FSD. There were no cars near us nor any thing out of order and the thing decided to change lane to the passing lane. Scared the shit out of me. My friend had to change back. I asked him what happened and he said he didn't know but it happened from time to time.
That's their unique implementation of keeping the driver aware. :p
 

Brovane

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And the problem is, the 1% it can't do well happens at random.

That is it.
My previous experience with driver assist features is with Nissan Pro-Pilot 1.0 version in my 2019 Leaf.

I like FSD on long road trips, highway/interstates. Will automatically change lanes to pass. I also like that it is smart enough when you pass a big vehicle that is in the next lane it will slide over a bit in the lane to give extra room instead of just saying dead center in the lane. It also does a better job of recognizing when a vehicle is moving over into your lane and you need to slow down. Pro-pilot would wait until the vehicle was all the way over and then abruptly slow down. However these types of features are not worth the $6k that Tesla is charging for Enhanced Auto-Pilot. I subscribed for 1-month to try out the features and then canceled my subscription.

The Tesla FSD on city streets to many times it does weird stuff. Just yesterday when I was using it for the free month it made a lane change into a lane that was going away. It also doesn't pickup road hazards like pot-holes. Yes the 1% it can't do well happens at random.

Elmo way oversold what FSD would be capable off and continues to make claims about it that are non sense.
 
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Zorba

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Even if it didn’t that 1% should scare the hell out of anyone who understands safety likelihoods. (Although that’s arguably my qualitative assessment)
Well if the 1% it couldn't deal with basically only when snow was on the ground, you could deal with that. But a 1% random chance of failure is massive, as you say.
 
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IronWing

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I was in my friend's model X driving on the highway with FSD. There were no cars near us nor any thing out of order and the thing decided to change lane to the passing lane. Scared the shit out of me. My friend had to change back. I asked him what happened and he said he didn't know but it happened from time to time.
So it mimics human drivers very well.
 

thilanliyan

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Well if the 1% it couldn't deal with basically only when snow was on the ground, you could deal with that. But a 1% random chance of failure is massive, as you say.
I'm not sure I'd trust a "tech" company (move fast and break things) to do self driving safely. For example, getting rid of radar was not a great move IMO. There are times when radar just works better than cameras, like snow or fog.
 

quikah

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I tried it yesterday. Didn't make out of the parking lot before turning it off. It took forever to do anything, felt like I was being driver around by an old lady. No reason to use it. Maybe I am too impatient. :)
 
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cytg111

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He has stated numerous times over the years that you only need visuals, no lidar radar vs, you can get superhuman performance with video only.

I mean how many FSD cars have he sold - that he promised would be FSD capable 'in a bit'? What would it cost Tesla to admit that FSD is not going to be feasible without a hardware upgrade?
 
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Vision based self driving CAN work. You just need about a thousand tiny cams in every direction and I bet at least 4x4090s to do the visual processing.