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Brovane

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Your initial point is excellent, but since SpaceX DOES in fact have exactly such a contract with the US military to provide these services (and has since at least June) on what basis does Elmo have the right to unilaterally interfere because of his feels? Our foreign policy and military services should NOT be run at the beck and call of a private citizen, no matter how wealthy or powerful.

IMO Musk has vastly overstepped his authority-and probably at the bid and calling of his Chinese masters, who he is very much beholden to at this point for the future viability of Tesla, his cash cow (up to recently at least). I don't know the terms of the contract between the US defense and SpaceX, but I hope the US JAG office is reviewing that contract. At a minimum Musk should be immediately barred from any control over the decision making process re Starlink and Ukraine immediately.

The US should play hardball with Musk immediately. If it takes suspending all of SpaceX's contracts with the US and permanently barring it from further contracts with the US, so be it. This behavior should not be tolerated at all.

The geo-fencing by Starlink and the incident with the attack in Crimea happened in October of 2022. Since the US military has put in place a contract now with Starlink I am not aware of any more of these situations about conflicts with geo-fencing, are you?
 

Brovane

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Interview by the WSJ with Isaacson about the Musk biography.

Interesting comment that Grimes had about Musk's Demon mode. "You don't want to be around him when he is in Demon Mode but Demon Mode is what gets shit done."

 

K1052

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Addicted to risk sounds exciting until you realize he is playing with stuff that can (and maybe arguably has) killed people. Maybe addicted to risking other people is more appropriate at this point in his career.
 

UNCjigga

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Was he in Demon mode when he cut the Starlink communications to help the Russians?
The more I think about it, the more I’m thinking Elon should not be at fault for making a difficult decision to cut off Starlink. Especially if those services were not yet covered under any US military/UKR military contract. While I disagree with the outcome, I think anyone in his shoes would want to avoid active participation in armed conflict/escalation for what was built as a civilian use network. Knowing how Putin holds grudges and has billionaires jailed or killed on a whim, I wouldn’t want to be in his crosshairs either.
 

fskimospy

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The more I think about it, the more I’m thinking Elon should not be at fault for making a difficult decision to cut off Starlink. Especially if those services were not yet covered under any US military/UKR military contract. While I disagree with the outcome, I think anyone in his shoes would want to avoid active participation in armed conflict/escalation for what was built as a civilian use network. Knowing how Putin holds grudges and has billionaires jailed or killed on a whim, I wouldn’t want to be in his crosshairs either.
He was already actively participating and had been since the war started.
 

UNCjigga

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He was already actively participating and had been since the war started.
Primarily for defending against Russian aggression into Ukrainian territory and keeping civilians + civil authorities connected/informed. This op was an attack on what has always been maintained as a Russian port (even prior to 2014, when Crimea wasn’t occupied, Russia held a port similar to how the US maintains Guantanamo Bay.)
 

fskimospy

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Primarily for defending against Russian aggression into Ukrainian territory and keeping civilians + civil authorities connected/informed. This op was an attack on what has always been maintained as a Russian port (even prior to 2014, when Crimea wasn’t occupied, Russia held a port similar to how the US maintains Guantanamo Bay.)
Well sure, but when Starlink has been used to kill or wound a few hundred thousand Russians it hardly seems like this matters much, and even if Russians ran the port it is Ukrainian territory.
 

Vic

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That is the whole idea of economies of scale in battery technology. Solar panels are also financed and their prices drop every year. Should the panel companies refuse to lower their prices because it might upset past customers? How about computer equipment? Should a 100mhz, 486 still cost $500? GM has also cut the price of the Bolt multiple times.
I wasn't speaking to any of that. Just that depreciating collateral values increase default rates. Tesla does their own financing (albeit securitized with major banks), so dropping their prices will hit their bottom line in more ways than one.
 

Brovane

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Who would have known, Errol Musk was lying about the Emerald Mine. He admitted to Isaacson he never owned a Emerald mine but sold his plane for some raw Emerald's. Errol was also involved in moving stolen Emeralds. Nothing shady going on there. It seems like Musk learned how to BS from his father.

Elon Musk really was telling the truth by saying his father Errol never owned an emerald mine, biographer says​


https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-father-errol-never-owned-emerald-mine-telling-truth-2023-9
 

UNCjigga

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Well sure, but when Starlink has been used to kill or wound a few hundred thousand Russians it hardly seems like this matters much, and even if Russians ran the port it is Ukrainian territory.
My point is that either way, Elon shouldn’t even be in a position to make this decision, nor expected to make the “right” move. But it’s ultimately his private network.

Even now, US military contractors and legal experts are poring over their contracts because nothing explicitly says that private operators must allow their systems to be used in acts of war. Elon may still have a legal right of refusal.

“Musk was not on a military contract when he refused the Crimea request; he’d been providing terminals to Ukraine for free in response to Russia’s February 2022 invasion. However, in the months since, the U.S. military has funded and officially contracted with Starlink for continued support. The Pentagon has not disclosed the terms or cost of that contract, citing operational security.
But the Pentagon is reliant on SpaceX for far more than the Ukraine response, and the uncertainty that Musk or any other commercial vendor could refuse to provide services in a future conflict has led space systems military planners to reconsider what needs to be explicitly laid out in future agreements, Kendall said during a roundtable with reporters at the Air Force Association convention at National Harbor, Maryland, on Monday.

“If we’re going to rely upon commercial architectures or commercial systems for operational use, then we have to have some assurances that they’re going to be available,” Kendall said. “We have to have that. Otherwise they are a convenience and maybe an economy in peacetime, but they’re not something we can rely upon in wartime.”
 
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kt

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Who would have known, Errol Musk was lying about the Emerald Mine. He admitted to Isaacson he never owned a Emerald mine but sold his plane for some raw Emerald's. Errol was also involved in moving stolen Emeralds. Nothing shady going on there. It seems like Musk learned how to BS from his father.

Elon Musk really was telling the truth by saying his father Errol never owned an emerald mine, biographer says​


https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-father-errol-never-owned-emerald-mine-telling-truth-2023-9
People can't tell your lies from your truths when you've told so many lies. That's the dilemma both of them have created for themselves.
 

balloonshark

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Can you believe how many white rich billionaire victims we have in the US?

Can you believe how many white rich billionaire fanboys exist?

This whole thing reminds me of a quote in the movie "The Edge". <Anthony Hopkins voice> "Never feel sorry for a man who owns a plane."
 

brycejones

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Can you believe how many white rich billionaire victims we have in the US?

Can you believe how many white rich billionaire fanboys exist?

This whole thing reminds me of a quote in the movie "The Edge". <Anthony Hopkins voice> "Never feel sorry for a man who owns a plane."
But who will pay for that poor man’s jet fuel?
 

Zorba

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I wasn't speaking to any of that. Just that depreciating collateral values increase default rates. Tesla does their own financing (albeit securitized with major banks), so dropping their prices will hit their bottom line in more ways than one.
Yeah, that makes sense.
 

K1052

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Surprise surprise… to noone.


The Henry Ford vibes are strong and I don’t mean that as a compliment.
 
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EV owners could have a generator at their home, or solar power with something like a home battery. So not sure how they would be completely SOL. Anyway, maybe we should plan vehicle purchasing for extremely rare use cases?
Pretty much this and to my understanding the car can act as a backup battery for the home. I don’t really think gas vs electric is that much of a difference. Gas at least in small quantities can be easily stored or pumped out manually at a gas station which I do not think they’re going to do for some random dude.
Electric can keep your house powered and charge off solar or backup generator provided you have them.
To me they’re a wash. Gas is better for driving away, electric is better for hunkering down.
 

pmv

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“If we’re going to rely upon commercial architectures or commercial systems for operational use, then we have to have some assurances that they’re going to be available,” Kendall said. “We have to have that. Otherwise they are a convenience and maybe an economy in peacetime, but they’re not something we can rely upon in wartime.”

It brings to mind Milo Minderbinder, leasing US bombers to the Germans and bombing their own airfield under the terms of the contract (can see Elon doing that).

When WW3 breaks out, will there be a phase, after the nukes have been launched, where different countries all put in competitive bids for deciding what their targets should be?
 

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