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cytg111

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I'm gonna put this expectation right up there with FSD was gonna turn Teslas into an income-generating robotaxis.
Almost. The Mars colony terraforming and putting a million people on Mars in the next 30 days or whatever his timeframe is these days is probably analogous to FSD. But making space accessible to private enterprises opens up a *lot* of possibilities. Once they get Starship in working reusable condition, they gonna mass produce these suckers and open up the next frontier.
Common what is not to be excited about? It's worth a couple of frogs.
 
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cytg111

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What impact on discourse do you think it would have if the next ship launces without a flame trench and a bunch of Elon cultists are sitting in beach chairs underneath the launchpad? Would that be worht it for development for the US Space Industry?

shit, now that I think about it, it probably would, for society in general really.

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Yes. 100%. Sacrifices must be made.
 
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cytg111

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SpaceX has done an admirable job of significantly lowering the cost to launch a payload and dramatically increasing flight rates.

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That's Falcon Heavy right there obliterating the competition at 1500$/kg.

Now this is a Musk projection but even if he is off by a factor of 10, it's insanely good
10$/kg. Ten bucks.
This means vacation time at one of those luxury resorts on the Moon.
 

nakedfrog

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That's Falcon Heavy right there obliterating the competition at 1500$/kg.

Now this is a Musk projection but even if he is off by a factor of 10, it's insanely good
10$/kg. Ten bucks.
This means vacation time at one of those luxury resorts on the Moon.
Of course, the price of everything at that luxury resort is now whatever it costs at a current luxury resort, plus the Lunar upcharge, plus $10/kg. And as a bonus, all those rockets putting all that luxury up there add a bit of CO2 down here where all the peasants live. Maybe it's not such a great idea.
 

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That's Falcon Heavy right there obliterating the competition at 1500$/kg.

Now this is a Musk projection but even if he is off by a factor of 10, it's insanely good
10$/kg. Ten bucks.
This means vacation time at one of those luxury resorts on the Moon.
I've seen this before, it's called Elysium.
 

Fenixgoon

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Of course, the price of everything at that luxury resort is now whatever it costs at a current luxury resort, plus the Lunar upcharge, plus $10/kg. And as a bonus, all those rockets putting all that luxury up there add a bit of CO2 down here where all the peasants live. Maybe it's not such a great idea.
the emissions from space launches are dwarfed by everything else.

according to this website, a spaceX launch emits ~350 metric tons of CO2, while a typical car emits 4.6 tons of CO2 per year. So 1 spaceX launch is 73 cars. There are an estimated 286 million cars in operation in the US.
 

nakedfrog

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the emissions from space launches are dwarfed by everything else.

according to this website, a spaceX launch emits ~350 metric tons of CO2, while a typical car emits 4.6 tons of CO2 per year. So 1 spaceX launch is 73 cars. There are an estimated 286 million cars in operation in the US.
Okay, now do the math on how many launches it takes to build the luxury moon resort, staff it, and keep it supplied.

Edit: probably still not as bad as a cruise ship, but I also think cruise ships are a disgusting abomination
 

cytg111

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Of course, the price of everything at that luxury resort is now whatever it costs at a current luxury resort, plus the Lunar upcharge, plus $10/kg. And as a bonus, all those rockets putting all that luxury up there add a bit of CO2 down here where all the peasants live. Maybe it's not such a great idea.
I was painting a metaphorical picture, trying to illustrate what building an affordable ladder out of the gravity well looks like. Yes tourism is gonna be a thing, but a little thing compared to all the other cool stuff.
 
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Ajay

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Almost. The Mars colony terraforming and putting a million people on Mars in the next 30 days or whatever his timeframe is these days is probably analogous to FSD. But making space accessible to private enterprises opens up a *lot* of possibilities. Once they get Starship in working reusable condition, they gonna mass produce these suckers and open up the next frontier.
Common what is not to be excited about? It's worth a couple of frogs.
Mars colonies are just a carrot, nothing else. Increasing commercialization of space is going to be a bit problematic long term till we figure out how to clear out space junk. A moon base would be cool, assuming there were a good case for why we'd need to do some research there.
 

Zorba

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the emissions from space launches are dwarfed by everything else.

according to this website, a spaceX launch emits ~350 metric tons of CO2, while a typical car emits 4.6 tons of CO2 per year. So 1 spaceX launch is 73 cars. There are an estimated 286 million cars in operation in the US.
IIRC, Starship is methane who Falcon is Kerosene, so the carbon numbers should come down for Starship as well (at least as a percentage)
 

cytg111

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Yea, where ever we go we mess up.
That being said I am sure no one here is suggesting we should never have invented the boat and gone nowhere.
 
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repoman0

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Space junk is certainly less offensive IMO than ocean junk, if only because it will all eventually deorbit, burn up and have no effect on any ecosystem.

Plus it would be darkly hilarious if we Kessler syndrome ourselves due to “cheap” launch payloads and can’t keep anything in LEO for hundreds of years.
 

Zorba

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Yet the modern world we live in depends on Satellites(Trash), kind of a contradiction isn't it?
When access is expensive you end up with a lot less trash.

But the modern world depends on burning fossil fuels and single use plastic, doesn't make it a good thing.

Functional satellites aren't trash though, but we also have no deorbiting requirements.

ETA: I'm very excited about cheap access to space. I do think there needs to be more regulation though to keep it from becoming a junk yard
 

hal2kilo

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Almost. The Mars colony terraforming and putting a million people on Mars in the next 30 days or whatever his timeframe is these days is probably analogous to FSD. But making space accessible to private enterprises opens up a *lot* of possibilities. Once they get Starship in working reusable condition, they gonna mass produce these suckers and open up the next frontier.
Common what is not to be excited about? It's worth a couple of frogs.
Better to be chasing after asteroids, especially metallic ones. Lots less gravity well issues.
 

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When access is expensive you end up with a lot less trash.

But the modern world depends on burning fossil fuels and single use plastic, doesn't make it a good thing.

Functional satellites aren't trash though, but we also have no deorbiting requirements.

ETA: I'm very excited about cheap access to space. I do think there needs to be more regulation though to keep it from becoming a junk yard
Well good news.



Currently the biggest producers of orbit debris in LEO has been a collision, an anti-satellite weapons test, and an exploding rocket body.

Forcing new satellites to deorbit within 5 years of EOL will help control the ever increasing amount of MMOD.
 

pmv

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I'm surprised Suella Braverman hasn't tried to work something out with Elon about sending asylum-seekers to Mars. The Rwanda project hasn't panned-out too well, nor the prison ships idea.