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MrSquished

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My experience with a recent Elantra HEV purchase: had to put a deposit down with a dealer that guaranteed selling at MSRP to await an allocation and avoid other dealership shenanigans. At the time, most of the incoming stock was already reserved before it hit the lots. The silver (what they called "fluid metal") is definitely a great color - it's what my wife and I got.

If I did have to install a roof rack, I'd probably look at one of the standard companies, partly for quality reasons and partly for fit: the last thing I'd want is some cheap rack coming off on the highway. But I'd also consider something easily removable if I didn't need it all the time, just to help with fuel economy on the highway.

Thanks. How do you like the Elantra Hybrid so far? I want a bigger hybrid, but just can't afford a RAV4 Hybrid, and would probably have to wait 5 months for one if I could.

Couple mechanics I know swear by Hyundai. Their warranty is impressive too, if the small print isn' too crazy?
 
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Thanks. How do you like the Elantra Hybrid so far? I want a bigger hybrid, but just can't afford a RAV4 Hybrid, and would probably have to wait 5 months for one if I could.

Couple mechanics I know swear by Hyundai. Their warranty is impressive too, if the small print isn' too crazy?
Haven't had any issues in about 2500-3000 miles we've put on it. It drives well, it's responsive, and it seamlessly switches between EV and the gas dual clutch engine. Heated seats are toasty and quick, integrated screens and driver assist features work well and are easy to use. And as far as size, it can carry all we need, even for car camping (haven't done this yet, but the trunk is only slightly smaller than our old Ford Fusion). I feel like so far, my only real complaints are related to the trim we chose (Blue): rear seat isn't split folding, no auto dimming mirror, manual driver's seat, and no rear map pocket - but these are all such minor things that I can more than overlook for the price and other things it does come with as standard features.

Another bonus too compared to some other models: they ship it with a spare tire. I've had >1 incident in my time driving where a can of fix-a-flat would have done squat.

I didn't see anything off-putting in the fine print of the warranty, beyond the standard follow the maintenance schedule (and you get 3 years free to boot, or something like that).
 

Pens1566

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To be fair, this is way longer than I expected them to go without a "major" incident like this.
 

misuspita

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This seems like a fundamental misunderstanding of how everyday charging will happen. Part of why people need lots of places to fill up their tank with an ICE vehicle is because they don't have a fuel station in their house. With an EV, you can literally leave your home every day with a full tank by plugging in overnight.
This is all good for people that have houses. For the ones living in appartment blocks, that is a non starter. The authorities need do invest in making a charging infrastructure that will permit everyone to charge their EV in the parking spot.
 
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MrSquished

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Musk tweeted about the latest Twitter glitch - "Musk said: “This platform is so brittle (sigh). Will be fixed shortly.” "

The guy does not exist in reality. Who is now responsible for how Twitter works after having such a huge effect as owner on the company, by basically stripping it of employees that keep it running? Oh no, not Musk - it's the platform itself.

That guy is such a POS.
 

Brovane

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There is one thing wrong about this sort of article. When driving an EV long distance, you need to change your mindset. It is not about getting there faster, it is about getting their comfortably. Plan your charging stops around logical breaks and in areas that have some amenities. Plan to have a snack/lunch or stretch your legs, throw a frisbee or toss a ball with your kid. Tesla charging infrastructure makes this work, the others make the stops a bit too long IMO.

If you just want to get someplace ASAP, gas is going to be king for the foreseeable future.

What has been your experience with using EV DC Charging infrastructure?

What I have found personally is lack of consistency, reliability and ease of use around DC Charging Infrastructure. Consistency, reliability and ease of use is what Tesla has in it's Superchargers that other manufactures don't have.

For example in 2020, California gave money to ChargePoint to install a series of DC charging stations along the major Interstates in CA. Those DC charging stations are 62.5kw stations, in 2020 they were installing 62.5kw stations which is kind of ridiculous when other companies are installing 200kw+ charging stations. The charging experience for length of time spent charging for a F150 Lightning owner is going to be very different between a 62.5kw charging station and a 200kw charging station. This can mean the difference between 20mins to 40-60mins. However with a Chevy Bolt, it doesn't make a difference because the car can only charge at 55kw. However the Bolt has a battery about half the size of the Lightning battery. For someone coming from the gas world they are probably not ready for this lack of consistency in Charging infrastructure and can leave people fairly frustrated. For most people fueling a gas car has a fairly consistent rate of flow across all makes and models and stations.
 

MrSquished

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Haven't had any issues in about 2500-3000 miles we've put on it. It drives well, it's responsive, and it seamlessly switches between EV and the gas dual clutch engine. Heated seats are toasty and quick, integrated screens and driver assist features work well and are easy to use. And as far as size, it can carry all we need, even for car camping (haven't done this yet, but the trunk is only slightly smaller than our old Ford Fusion). I feel like so far, my only real complaints are related to the trim we chose (Blue): rear seat isn't split folding, no auto dimming mirror, manual driver's seat, and no rear map pocket - but these are all such minor things that I can more than overlook for the price and other things it does come with as standard features.

Another bonus too compared to some other models: they ship it with a spare tire. I've had >1 incident in my time driving where a can of fix-a-flat would have done squat.

I didn't see anything off-putting in the fine print of the warranty, beyond the standard follow the maintenance schedule (and you get 3 years free to boot, or something like that).

Nice. Good info.

I'm hoping to snag the one fluid metal color one in the blue trim that is within 100 miles of me, because I don't want a red one - there are a couple red and a couple of white. There are quite a few of the Limited Trim Elantra Hybrid's available closer to me as well in good colors, but those are 30K vs 25.
 
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Brovane

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This is all good for people that have houses. For the ones living in appartment blocks, that is a non starter. The authorities need do invest in making a charging infrastructure that will permit everyone to charge their EV in the parking spot.

Last year when I went to Boston the Uber driver that picked us up from the airport had a Model 3. I asked him if he had home charging and he said no but with Tesla's supercharging network he didn't find it to be that much of a issue. He could fairly easily access a Supercharger and charge the car when needed and home charging wasn't really necessary with Tesla in his personal experience. He usually put about 1,000+ miles on the car a week and he owned the car and wasn't renting it. He told me it was saving him a lot of money even after having to pay to charge it at a SC.
 
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Nice. Good info.

I'm hoping to snag the one fluid metal color one in the blue trim that is within 100 miles of me, because I don't want a red one - there are a couple red and a couple of white. There are quite a few of the Limited Trim Elantra Hybrid's available closer to me as well in good colors, but those are 30K vs 25.
Yeah, the bump to the limited just didn't seem worth the price. Plus, with the limited, you lose wireless Android auto and CarPlay (wired only for that bigger screen).
 
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misuspita

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Last year when I went to Boston the Uber driver that picked us up from the airport had a Model 3. I asked him if he had home charging and he said no but with Tesla's supercharging network he didn't find it to be that much of a issue. He could fairly easily access a Supercharger and charge the car when needed and home charging wasn't really necessary with Tesla in his personal experience. He usually put about 1,000+ miles on the car a week and he owned the car and wasn't renting it. He told me it was saving him a lot of money even after having to pay to charge it at a SC.
In EU the situation is not that rosy. In 10 yrs it will be a frenzy because the end of combustion engine... I hope
 
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This is all good for people that have houses. For the ones living in appartment blocks, that is a non starter. The authorities need do invest in making a charging infrastructure that will permit everyone to charge their EV in the parking spot.
Yes, that will remain an issue and I do agree that there needs to be some investment.

But for those already living in detached SFHs with access to dedicated parking, these are not as big a deal (the biggest barrier remains EV pricing, which has them mostly priced like luxury cars). Even those in SFHs with only 100A service could charge their vehicles at home via L1 or L2 charging (provided they have some circuit prioritizing going on to prevent the main breaker from tripping).
 

Meghan54

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How many gas stations were in the US before the Model T came out?

Zero basically. Before 1913, gas was sold in hardware stores and the like. The first drive thru gas station appeared in 1913. By 1919, there were approx 15,000 gas stations in the US.

Also, cheap gas drove the fledgling electric vehicle market that was competing with gas powered vehicles. Electric smelled better but gas was much cheaper. Too bad went that way.
 

MrSquished

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Yeah, the bump to the limited just didn't seem worth the price. Plus, with the limited, you lose wireless Android auto and CarPlay (wired only for that bigger screen).

I read that and it sounded ridiculous. The upgrade takes away wireless android auto? wtf. what do you need to plug it into a usb into the car to use it? Does it at least charge your phone too?
 

Zorba

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Haven't had any issues in about 2500-3000 miles we've put on it. It drives well, it's responsive, and it seamlessly switches between EV and the gas dual clutch engine. Heated seats are toasty and quick, integrated screens and driver assist features work well and are easy to use. And as far as size, it can carry all we need, even for car camping (haven't done this yet, but the trunk is only slightly smaller than our old Ford Fusion). I feel like so far, my only real complaints are related to the trim we chose (Blue): rear seat isn't split folding, no auto dimming mirror, manual driver's seat, and no rear map pocket - but these are all such minor things that I can more than overlook for the price and other things it does come with as standard features.

Another bonus too compared to some other models: they ship it with a spare tire. I've had >1 incident in my time driving where a can of fix-a-flat would have done squat.

I didn't see anything off-putting in the fine print of the warranty, beyond the standard follow the maintenance schedule (and you get 3 years free to boot, or something like that).
FYI, auto dimming mirrors are quite easy to install yourself.
 

Fenixgoon

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lol he should ask for a ride on Putin’s train

please oh please someone leak security cam footage of this... just bodyguards in a random ass hallway, doesn't have to get into the super crazy privacy invading shit.

it's mind-boggling that is ego is so fragile, and...*checks current news*....more fragile than twitter's current infrastructure
 
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I read that and it sounded ridiculous. The upgrade takes away wireless android auto? wtf. what do you need to plug it into a usb into the car to use it? Does it at least charge your phone too?
Yeah, you have to use the wired USB connection on the limited. It will charge it at the same time though. It does still have Bluetooth though, so if you didn't need the map, like for local trips, you could get away with just wireless.

It's really stupid that their larger screen lacks the hardware for wireless Auto/CarPlay.
 
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MrSquished

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Yeah, you have to use the wired USB connection on the limited. It will charge it at the same time though. It does still have Bluetooth though, so if you didn't need the map, like for local trips, you could get away with just wireless.

It's really stupid that their larger screen lacks the hardware for wireless Auto/CarPlay.

That is a terrible design choice. I am going to have to find a blue trim. Don't want to spend the extra 5k. The 25 is my limit turns out. Glad you have some first hand experience with the car it was good to hear.
 

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Musk tweeted about the latest Twitter glitch - "Musk said: “This platform is so brittle (sigh). Will be fixed shortly.” "

The guy does not exist in reality. Who is now responsible for how Twitter works after having such a huge effect as owner on the company, by basically stripping it of employees that keep it running? Oh no, not Musk - it's the platform itself.

That guy is such a POS.
"I fired all the people that know stuff and made random tech decisions based on the way my anus twitched, this system is so brittle"
Get fucked by an elephant, dipshit.
 

repoman0

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Man, this Twitter thing is almost as brittle as Tesla’s shitty FSD software!