Elon Musk now owns 9.2% of twitter...update.. will soon be the sole owner as Board of Directors accepts his purchase offer

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cytg111

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Why the hate on micro services?
No hate, its just the new black, promising to be a solution to some things while at the same time bringing about its own sets of problems and complexities. Out field is forever hyping up the next big "paradigm" while in reality we havent produced anything of true value to the field since servlets and stored procs. Yes I am over-emphasizing, but there is a real point there IMO.
 

nakedfrog

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No hate, its just the new black, promising to be a solution to some things while at the same time bringing about its own sets of problems and complexities. Out field is forever hyping up the next big "paradigm" while in reality we havent produced anything of true value to the field since servlets and stored procs. Yes I am over-emphasizing, but there is a real point there IMO.
Yeah, there's always those people obsessed with following the new shiny thing and delivering tales of the greatness it will bring, often before it's really ready for prime-time. Then do it all over again in a few more years.
 
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brycejones

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No hate, its just the new black, promising to be a solution to some things while at the same time bringing about its own sets of problems and complexities. Out field is forever hyping up the next big "paradigm" while in reality we havent produced anything of true value to the field since servlets and stored procs. Yes I am over-emphasizing, but there is a real point there IMO.

Architecture really does depend on the goals trying to be achieved. We're currently rewriting a really bad 15 year old monolith using microservices to carve out and replace functionality gradually. But the process is being very actively managed architecturally.
 
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cytg111

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Yeah, there's always those people obsessed with following the new shiny thing and delivering tales of the greatness it will bring, often before it's really ready for prime-time. Then do it all over again in a few more years.
There is an irony to microservices too, with moores law still going, with all of the compute available at your fingertips today, why oh why do you insist on moving core complexities of your application out on the wire, its slow and it has a fixed latency that is never gonna improve.
 

cytg111

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Architecture really does depend on the goals trying to be achieved. We're currently rewriting a really bad 15 year old monolith using microservices to carve out and replace functionality gradually. But the process is being very actively managed architecturally.

Good luck! Joking, its all about the right tool for the job, I am sure its a good fit for you :)
 

Vic

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Vic

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Question should be why did they need that many people to begin with? It's not really that complicated of a site. Sounds like he's just cutting out inefficiency so they can stop losing money. I don't know if his shot gun approach is the best though as he's losing a lot of knowledge in the progress and whoever is left may have low morale wondering if they're next, but I kind of get why he's doing it. He's cutting out inefficiency.
How could he possibly know if he's cutting inefficiency or essential talent in barely a weeks time?

Sorry, but to people who actually know business, this screams desperation. Especially when these layoffs are out of compliance with the WARN act, that screams Musk paid $44b for a company struggling to make payroll.
 

Pens1566

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How could he possibly know if he's cutting inefficiency or essential talent in barely a weeks time?

Sorry, but to people who actually know business, this screams desperation. Especially when these layoffs are out of compliance with the WARN act, that screams Musk paid $44b for a company struggling to make payroll.

Agree, but he's not in violation as long as he pays severance for the necessary duration. As much as he's the asshole here, it does seem he's getting at least that part right.
 

Vic

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Agree, but he's not in violation as long as he pays severance for the necessary duration. As much as he's the asshole here, it does seem he's getting at least that part right.
Oops, did I misread the Ars article? This is correct, as long as twitter is paying out at least 60 days severance to the affected employees, then they are in compliance.

Edit: ugh, that article is about contractors, who aren't covered by WARN. My bad.
 

itsmydamnation

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There is an irony to microservices too, with moores law still going, with all of the compute available at your fingertips today, why oh why do you insist on moving core complexities of your application out on the wire, its slow and it has a fixed latency that is never gonna improve.
As a 20 year network engineer/architect/fix peoples broken environments guy. I can count on a single hand how many dev's i have had to help who actually understand the data flow of their own application.

its pretty funny when i can hack together some perl thats terrible in every way but more performant because i understand the cost of distance.
 
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sdifox

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There is an irony to microservices too, with moores law still going, with all of the compute available at your fingertips today, why oh why do you insist on moving core complexities of your application out on the wire, its slow and it has a fixed latency that is never gonna improve.
Because the vendor made it look cheaper...
 
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Amused

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100% for me, all that Simpsons knowledge finally paid off.
92% here as well.

I got this one wrong:

“If you can take advantage of a situation in some way, it’s your duty as an American to do it.”
 

MrSquished

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I just checked in and these guys should have it done in no time.

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Well first he's going to build that 2000 ft² shed in his backyard which should hold all the Twitter infrastructure. Then he'll get to work on coding the whole fucking thing. Probably just need to hire a couple programmers off of craigslist since he said it's so simple
 

MrSquished

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It's quite possible Elon already hired Squirrel


SAN FRANCISCO—As part of his initiative to streamline the back end of the platform, Elon Musk reportedly demanded Tuesday that the remaining Twitter servers explain to him in detail what all the wires were for. “These ones here—what do they do, exactly?” the company’s new owner and CEO said during a visit to Twitter’s data center, holding up a tangled clump of blue wires and showing them to a row of machines, which he accused of “taking up an inordinate amount of space without contributing anything to user experience.” “Hello? I want an explanation for what you’ve all been doing down here on company time, and if you can’t give me one in the next five minutes, you’ll all be let go. For instance, what does this red thing do? Is this where we keep the internet? Make this smaller and faster immediately. And let’s start charging users for whatever is inside these cords.” At press time, sources confirmed Musk had publicly fired a prominent CPU for loudly humming in a way that he said constituted insubordination.

ALL WE NEED IS 2000 SQ FEET FOR THE WHOLE DAMN THING SCREAMED ELON (my addition)
 

Heartbreaker

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Latest from Musky. Sign up to slave day and night for him, or get out of the company:


Anyone who did not sign the pledge by 5 p.m. Eastern time Thursday would receive three months of severance pay, the message said.
In the midnight email, which was obtained by The Washington Post, Musk said Twitter “will need to be extremely hardcore” going forward. “This will mean working long hours at high intensity,” he said. “Only exceptional performance will constitute a passing grade.”

I'd take the severance, but then again, could you actually Trust Musk to pay it?
 
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fskimospy

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Latest from Musky. Sign up to slave day and night for him, or get out of the company:

This seems like a miserable place to work. Of the part time CEO started telling everyone how many extra hours everyone else needs to put into their job I would tell them to eat shit.

And for anyone who would point out he runs several other companies that’s his choice, he could step down from one or more of them if he wanted to.