Elizabeth Warren takes a DNA test. Trump lies about charity offer.

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Thebobo

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I would note that you DNA percentages change as more DNA is collected. I just viewed mine and I am Less likely to be of southern European heritage than I was when I first submitted my DNA 6 months ago.

As an example

Updated Estimate
England, Wales & Northwestern Europe 61%
Increased by 37%

Ireland and Scotland 33%
Decreased by 3%

Norway 6%

Refined from:
Scandinavia 3%

Migrations
New York Settlers
Northeastern States Settlers
New England & Eastern Great Lakes Settlers

No Longer in Estimate

Europe West 31%
Finland/Northwest Russia 3%
Iberian Peninsula 2%
Europe South <1%
 

UNCjigga

Lifer
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If Trump is gonna go around attacking every potential candidate's origin story, perhaps he should also prove his own? He keeps insisting that he's a successful, law-abiding businessman "with no ties to Russia". If Warren can release something so personal as a DNA test, perhaps he should just release his taxes already?
 

Maxima1

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Her heritage is her family history. I too have family lore and photos from long ago and ancestors did walk the trail of tears. How many generations removed from Native American genetics needs to pass before our history no longer exists?

Trump was making claims that she was making any connection up because even someone who is a scoundrel could find out exactly what she has said but do not because they *are* scoundrels.

Okay. I decided to look back at the full context, and now I see where there's an issue. I'm not sure he understood.

“I’m going to get one of those little [DNA testing] kits and in the middle of the debate, when she proclaims she’s of Indian heritage...," Trump said. “And we will say, ‘I will give you a million dollars, paid for by Trump, to your favorite charity, if you take the test and it shows you’re an Indian.' And we’ll see what she does. I have a feeling she will say no, but we will hold it for the debates.”
 
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Okay. I decided to look back at the full context, and now I see where there's an issue. I'm not sure he understood.

“I’m going to get one of those little [DNA testing] kits and in the middle of the debate, when she proclaims she’s of Indian heritage...," Trump said. “And we will say, ‘I will give you a million dollars, paid for by Trump, to your favorite charity, if you take the test and it shows you’re an Indian.' And we’ll see what she does. I have a feeling she will say no, but we will hold it for the debates.”
Let me pose a different question to help us understand your angle. Do you think Trump and the right have been lying about what she claimed? That he and the right lied about the reasons she claimed to have native heritage?
 

Thebobo

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Also he should focus on here policy not her bloodline but that's what trump does cause he's like a child in an argument when they don't have an answer they resort to name calling.
 
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dainthomas

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Okay. I decided to look back at the full context, and now I see where there's an issue. I'm not sure he understood.

“I’m going to get one of those little [DNA testing] kits and in the middle of the debate, when she proclaims she’s of Indian heritage...," Trump said. “And we will say, ‘I will give you a million dollars, paid for by Trump, to your favorite charity, if you take the test and it shows you’re an Indian.' And we’ll see what she does. I have a feeling she will say no, but we will hold it for the debates.”

There's his opening. He's going to use word games to weasel out of giving a pittance (for a "billionaire") to charity. Completely stand-up guy. I can see why faux Christians love him.
 
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Maxima1

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Because I’m going with what she actually said. Not what I want to claim she was thinking. But let’s do it your way. She wasn’t thinking any of that and the school went with it anyway since they were embroiled in allegations of a lack of diversity so they trotted it out.

Prove me wrong.

Well, of course she's going to deny it. I just think there's a high likelihood that it is the case.
 

cytg111

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Remember when Trump offered $1 million if Elizabeth Warren took a DNA test?

https://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/2018/07/06/trump-warren-dna/



Well guess who took a DNA test?

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/15/politics/elizabeth-warren-dna-test-native-american/index.html



This morning Trump denied he ever said it while departing to visit hurricane damage in Florida.

FAKE NEWS.. I never said that!
[reporter shows him the video]
FAKE NEWS.. I never said that! But I will say this ... then some slur on China and NATO.
 
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Well, of course she's going to deny it. I just think there's a high likelihood that it is the case.
You think that’s more likely than the school used it to deflect from scandal? And do you see how weak your argument is when it’s based, not on what people say or do, but what you think they might have meant?
 

HomerJS

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From the story. Does 1 part in 1,024 make her an American Indian?

"But the report includes the possibility that she’s just 1/1024th Native American if the ancestor is 10 generations back."

How far does she get to stretch it?
It makes her part Native American.

You white boys came up with the 1/8 rule for black people so what's wrong with it?
 
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Maxima1

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You think that’s more likely than the school used it to deflect from scandal? And do you see how weak your argument is when it’s based, not on what people say or do, but what you think they might have meant?

She would know about the diversity issue at universities as well. She brought it up to them likely because she thought it was special when it's not. I likely have more than her, but wouldn't think of passing that off as something special to officials at a university.
 

SlowSpyder

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So the percentage of verified genetics determined means that her family history is invalid? How many drops of Native American blood is required to make the past real?

If we're using <.1% as being part of a demographic, most of us are probably part of a majority of demographics. Of course the racist, sexist left likes to celebrate these things and draw lines between us instead of us all celebrating the fact that we're human beings and bringing us together, but I digress... I don't think being <.1% Native American makes one an "indian". But then again this isn't a conversation worth having here, much of this forum thinks someone having x and y chromosomes can be a woman.
 

FIVR

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LOL. Trump gambles and loses again. Why does he suck so much at winning?


We all know he'll never pay up but still.... why does Trump insist on making a fool of himself at every opportunity?
 

HomerJS

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Thank you for proving my point about how we would start litigating what it means to have Native American ancestry. He challenged her to do it, she called his bluff, and she won.

When do you think Trump will pay up? Or, do you think this is yet another bet he's going to welsh on? If you're an adult and you make a bet, you pay what you owe.
I see an out for him. Here is the quote...
“I will give you a million dollars to your favorite charity, paid for by Trump, if you take the test and it shows you’re an Indian,” he said at a rally in Montana, fantasizing about what he might say to Warren in a debate. “I have a feeling she will say no.”

He'll say she's only part Indian and its too small a part. Any honorable person would pay up for the charity.
 

hal2kilo

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I would note that you DNA percentages change as more DNA is collected. I just viewed mine and I am Less likely to be of southern European heritage than I was when I first submitted my DNA 6 months ago.

As an example

Updated Estimate
England, Wales & Northwestern Europe 61%
Increased by 37%

Ireland and Scotland 33%
Decreased by 3%

Norway 6%

Refined from:
Scandinavia 3%

Migrations
New York Settlers
Northeastern States Settlers
New England & Eastern Great Lakes Settlers

No Longer in Estimate

Europe West 31%
Finland/Northwest Russia 3%
Iberian Peninsula 2%
Europe South <1%
Yep, mine is typical WASP, but there's this 15% Mediterranean. I figure some Roman got a little back in the day.
 

Paratus

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I agree with you, but for the record 1/64 or 1.5% is enough to be card carrying.

Growing up in eastern Oklahoma I have many friends and family members that are card carrying Native Americans that look completely white.

Wife has an FB acquaintance that rails on taxes, socialism, and specifically the ACA. So of course she doesn’t have medical insurance. However when her son broke an arm she drove him to a facility that does free care for native Americans because she’s above the 1/64 limit. Needless to say she doesn’t see the hypocrisy.
 

Thebobo

Lifer
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From the comments here what Trump said and what Warren thinks she has "proved" are not the same. And if you want to believe that being <.1% of any demographic makes you part of that demographic, then carry on. :)

As I posted later that number is not set in stone. Mine has changed a lot in 6 months as more DNA has been collected. SO that number could go up or down, yet shed does have american indian in her DNA.
 

HomerJS

Lifer
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Funny all you Trump fools dumping on Warren when it was perfectly acceptable to you for Trump to claim Obama was born in Kenya.
 

dainthomas

Lifer
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Wife has an FB acquaintance that rails on taxes, socialism, and specifically the ACA. So of course she doesn’t have medical insurance. However when her son broke an arm she drove him to a facility that does free care for native Americans because she’s above the 1/64 limit. Needless to say she doesn’t see the hypocrisy.

Almost everyone I know on social media who complains about socialized this or that is on some kind of disability or benefits.
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
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So, I had originally linked to snopes re: this issue. And although they did not highlight the pertinent information, upon closer inspection I did read this:

...and it is true that while Warren was at U. Penn. Law School she put herself on the “Minority Law Teacher” list as Native American) in the faculty directory of the Association of American Law Schools, and that Harvard Law School at one time promoted Warren as a Native American faculty member.

Seems a bit much to assert those things given she never knew any living ancestor who was raised Native. But if her parents had promoted it, I could see a child continuing to ride a simple family tradition, however far fetched it may be. Was it wrong to do so? Yes, to some extent it was.

Do I particularly care? I'll say this, if Warren is on the general ballot I'd vote for her.
Her transgression is minor, we have more important issues.
 

hal2kilo

Lifer
Feb 24, 2009
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LOL. Trump gambles and loses again. Why does he suck so much at winning?


We all know he'll never pay up but still.... why does Trump insist on making a fool of himself at every opportunity?
His base are fools too, and they want to belong to the club.
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
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LOL. Trump gambles and loses again. Why does he suck so much at winning?


We all know he'll never pay up but still.... why does Trump insist on making a fool of himself at every opportunity?

Why do birds fly?
 

Thump553

Lifer
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Gee Trump lies again repeatedly and he's a deadbeat whose word means absolutely nothing.

Color me shocked.

He's a big blustery mouth, nothing else.