Elite Israeli Commandos Refuse to Serve in Palestinian Territories

Zebo

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In addition to the ~75 pilot defections last month we see yet again even Israel's own military doesn't want to be under the command of the butcher Sharon.

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0roo0roo

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dissent is allowed in israel. dissent in palestine is met with torture and public lynchings.
 

Miramonti

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
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dissent is allowed in israel. dissent in palestine is met with torture and public lynchings.
Military dissent isn't allowed in israel and will lead to jail time.

However being an israeli informant in palestine is not dissent but is being a traitor and puts your fellow countrymen's lives at stake.

 

tnitsuj

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
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dissent is allowed in israel. dissent in palestine is met with torture and public lynchings.
You equate refusal to serve to betraying your people?

I am sure there are many here who would be all for public lynchings of any American found to be for example giving information to Al Qaeda. Completely different things.
 

tnitsuj

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Treason is a crime specifically punishable by death in the US as well. I believe it is the only crime other than murder that carries that sentence.
 

0roo0roo

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Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
repost.

dissent is allowed in israel. dissent in palestine is met with torture and public lynchings.
You equate refusal to serve to betraying your people?

I am sure there are many here who would be all for public lynchings of any American found to be for example giving information to Al Qaeda. Completely different things.
if not supporting blowing up civilians is betraying your people, then yes:p you have to look at what absurdities the plo considers treason.

speak too loudly against hamas and they'll probably put a hit on ya to boot.

you don't seem to understand the concept of civil dissobedience. your supposed to take the punishment for your action, you don't protest and expect to be let off. jail time isn't the same as torture and execution no matter how you slice it.
 

tnitsuj

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
repost.

dissent is allowed in israel. dissent in palestine is met with torture and public lynchings.
You equate refusal to serve to betraying your people?

I am sure there are many here who would be all for public lynchings of any American found to be for example giving information to Al Qaeda. Completely different things.
if not supporting blowing up civilians is betraying your people, then yes:p you have to look at what absurdities the plo considers treason.

speak too loudly against hamas and they'll probably put a hit on ya to boot.

you don't seem to understand the concept of civil dissobedience. your supposed to take the punishment for your action, you don't protest and expect to be let off. jail time isn't the same as torture and execution no matter how you slice it.

What exactly do you think the PLO considers treason?
 

kaizersose

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these were not active members of the military, they were reservists. since everyone is israel under the age of about 45 is a reservist, these 'dissenters' were basically just retired military people. further, the sayaret doesnt serve in the west bank--they are only used for special missions.

"However being an israeli informant in palestine is not dissent but is being a traitor and puts your fellow countrymen's lives at stake."
you are sick. that's like saying that someone who turns in a murderer to the police is being a traitor and putting that life at stake. by not turning them in you are putting innocent lives at stake.

re-evalutate your sense of reason
 

0roo0roo

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Yasser Arafat defended the killing of Arabs deemed to be "collaborating with Israel." He delegated the authority to carry out executions to the intifada leadership. After the murders, the local PLO death squad sent the file on the case to the PLO. "We have studied the files of those who were executed, and found that only two of the 118 who were executed were innocent," Arafat said. The innocent victims were declared "martyrs of the Palestinian revolution" by the PLO.8

Palestinians were stabbed, hacked with axes, shot, clubbed and burned with acid. The justifications offered for the killings varied. Sometimes, being employed by the Civil Administration in the West Bank and Gaza Strip was reason enough. In other cases, contact with Jews warranted a death sentence. In October 1989, a Palestinian father of seven was knifed to death in Jericho after selling floral decorations to Jews who were building a succah. Accusations of "collaboration" with Israel were sometimes used as a pretext for acts of personal vengeance. Women deemed to have behaved "immorally" were also among the victims.9
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/myths/mf19.html#a1a



Since the intifada began in December 1987 scores of Palestinian Arabs have been murdered as "collaborators" with Israel; in the spring of this year [1989] the murder rate began to increase sharply. Even by the standards that obtain in the Arab world, the murders have been unusually brutal: the lucky victims were shot to death; the unlucky ones were tortured, raped, then hacked or bludgeoned to death. On June 8, for example, the Israeli press reported that "the naked, bloodstained body of Samir Abu Ras, 30, was found chained and hanging from an electricity pole outside the casbah. Palestinians said Abu Ras, who was known as a 'collaborator,' had been killed with hatchet blows."

The alleged offenses of the victims include working or shopping in Israel, selling land to Jews, giving information to Israeli security forces, and expressing interest in the latest Israeli proposal for elections. Despite the fact that early in 1989 Arafat threatened the life of Bethlehem mayor Elias Freij for proposing a truce that would make elections possible--"whoever thinks of stopping the intifada before it achieves its goals," declared Arafat, "I will give him ten bullets in the chest."--Israeli and foreign journalists continue to ask whether the killing of "collaborators" in the administered territories and the threat of killing in the Galilee are done on the initiative of local freelance operators or on orders from the PLO abroad.
http://us.geocities.com/samuelmcramer/

its like argueing that since bush is a bastard, saddam is wonderful:p

and has been pointed out, everyones a reservist, so this cr@p is mostly propaganda.
 

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