Eliot Spitzer: ‘Every person whose interest rate depended on Libor is a victim’

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Bowfinger

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Spitzer and Cuomo have also gone on witch hunts designed to fine people who acted in good faith without any grounds other than the power of the state to conduct inspections supposedly for the "public good" but were in fact designed as a way to get money and appear as heroes. NY even hired temps to dumpster dive recently looking for HIPPA violations, not because they had cause to believe wrongdoing but because the draconian fines offeres a goldmine for the smallest accidental infraction. Quite a return on investment.
Agreed, Spitzer was known to be an arrogant ass and a showman. This is quite common in people who seek public office. He was also very tenacious about going after corruption on Wall Street, more than anyone else I can think of in modern times. He wasn't afraid to tackle the big boys head on. We need more of that, not less.
 

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Piss off, moron. Of course it was his own actions that brought him down. But, unless you're even dumber than I thought, even you must recognize there are countless public figures and powerful people who engage in the very same activities as Spitzer. Yet somehow they manage to avoid such scandals, or in those extremely rare cases where their behavior comes to light (e.g. Vitter, as GarfieldtheCat notes), there are at most minor consequences. What made Spitzer different? Why did he pay so dearly for such a common, and frankly harmless transgression, while those who pander to the status quo skate by? I think even you can connect the dots, if only you can momentarily set aside your shameless sucking up to the greedy elite.

All this rage about a Man who couldn't control his animal instincts . Were is the rage over Murdering unborn children who are alive . were is the rage over same sex marriage . these 2 are not natural instincts but ideas brought about by sick twisted minds . So were is the rage from low life liberials
 

Bowfinger

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All this rage about a Man who couldn't control his animal instincts . Were is the rage over Murdering unborn children who are alive . were is the rage over same sex marriage . these 2 are not natural instincts but ideas brought about by sick twisted minds . So were is the rage from low life liberials
Duhvert much?
 

PokerGuy

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Piss off, moron. Of course it was his own actions that brought him down. But, unless you're even dumber than I thought, even you must recognize there are countless public figures and powerful people who engage in the very same activities as Spitzer. Yet somehow they manage to avoid such scandals, or in those extremely rare cases where their behavior comes to light (e.g. Vitter, as GarfieldtheCat notes), there are at most minor consequences. What made Spitzer different? Why did he pay so dearly for such a common, and frankly harmless transgression, while those who pander to the status quo skate by? I think even you can connect the dots, if only you can momentarily set aside your shameless sucking up to the greedy elite.

hahahaha, I always knew you were an idiot, but I didn't know you were also a conspiracy nut. LOL Figures.

Spitzer did himself in with his actions. Nobody did it for him, and he paid the appropriate price for them.

Now lets stop derailing the thread, it's about the libor rate not spitzer.
 

DCal430

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I admin I'm not well versed enough in the whole LIBOR fiasco, but if what fern is saying is true, that the rates were rigged to be lower than what they otherwise would have been, then the consumers borrowing money were the winners and the banks lending the money were the losers. <shrug>

Not really, because many savings accounts are tied to libor, so consumer here lost money. Also alot of government entities have swap derivatives tied to libor, so again they loss a lot of money. It is estimated that the local and state governments lost billions of dollars.
 

DCal430

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The banks made for more money by cheating state and local goverments in their derivatives by manipulating libor, then they lost by collecting less mortgage interest. These banks made out like bandits.
 

PokerGuy

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He was also very tenacious about going after corruption on Wall Street, more than anyone else I can think of in modern times. He wasn't afraid to tackle the big boys head on. We need more of that, not less.

No, he was a grandstanding idiot who sought to punish those he disagreed with. Good thing he screwed up his own career.
 

woolfe9999

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FYI...I know it's hard for you to contain your hatred of all things Republican, but this thread is about the LIBOR scandal.

The person you're responding to is not the person who brought the prostitution issue into the thread. You show your own bias by calling him out and not the person he was responding to.
 

Bowfinger

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hahahaha, I always knew you were an idiot, but I didn't know you were also a conspiracy nut. LOL Figures.

Spitzer did himself in with his actions. Nobody did it for him, and he paid the appropriate price for them.

Now lets stop derailing the thread, it's about the libor rate not spitzer.
OK, so you are dumber than I thought. Hardly seems possible, but your comments speak for themselves.
 

Bowfinger

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http://articles.marketwatch.com/2012-07-26/commentary/32858545_1_treasury-secretary-timothy-geithner-credit-default-swaps-banks

New Geithner disclosures further cloud his record
Commentary: Treasury chief too timid with the big banks
July 26, 2012 Darrell Delamaide

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, who has kept his head low for months, is back in the news, coming under fire for his somewhat timid response four years ago to suggestions of fraud in the setting of Libor.

The manipulation of the London interbank offered rate by global banks has now emerged as a full-blown scandal and further evidence that these banks have become a rogue industry. It has also raised new questions about Geithner’s record as head of the New York Federal Reserve Bank, the job he held in 2008 at the onset of the financial crisis.

Geithner defended his reluctance to report possible fraud by British banks in setting of Libor in a pair of congressional hearings this week. He said his action to recommend structural reforms in Libor was the appropriate response in the midst of the crisis and other actions were the responsibility of British regulators. Read MarketWatch’s news coverage of Geithner coming under fire.

But these new revelations come as Geithner nemesis Neil Barofsky, the former special inspector general for the TARP program, paints a thoroughly unflattering portrait of the Treasury secretary in his new book, “Bailout.”

Barofsky may have an axe to grind, but he grinds it well, portraying Geithner as a dissembling bureaucrat in thrall to the banks and reminding us all that President Barack Obama’s selection of Geithner as his top economic official may have been one of his biggest mistakes, and a major reason the White House incumbent has to fight so hard for re-election.

From his willingness to bail out the banks with virtually no accountability, to his failure to make holders of credit default swaps on AIG take a haircut, to his inability to mount any effective program for mortgage relief, Geithner systematically favored Wall Street over Main Street and created much of the public’s malaise in the aftermath of the crisis.

Even before the new disclosures about Fed inaction regarding possible Libor fraud, Geithner’s tenure as New York Fed chief was marred by his failure to take any effective action against the explosive growth of the credit default swaps in the first place.

Geithner was uneasy about the rapid growth of the new derivatives, but his only action, again somewhat timid in the face of the potential threat, was to ask the banks to speed up their bookkeeping procedures.

Barofsky, a former prosecutor, relates that he rooted for Geithner to get the Treasury appointment and was initially willing to give him the benefit of the doubt when it emerged that he had misreported his taxes while he worked at the International Monetary Fund.

But as more details on those unpaid taxes came out and Geithner’s explanations seemed increasingly disingenuous, Barofsky had his first doubts about the secretary-designate.

Barofsky, of course, was not alone in his skepticism, and Geithner’s credibility was damaged from the very beginning by the disclosures about his unpaid taxes.
This. I think Geithner was a huge mistake for America. Unfortunately, the Republican shills and infotainers focus far more on stupid shiz that doesn't matter and far too little on substantive issues like this.
 

GarfieldtheCat

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FYI...I know it's hard for you to contain your hatred of all things Republican, but this thread is about the LIBOR scandal.

And of course, if you had read the thread, you would see it was your esteemed fellow troll matt1970 that brought him up, not me. DOH!

So maybe complain to him instead? He was trying to divert the thread.

And as usual, matt1970 refuses to respond to the actual facts after trolling...typical.
 

CPA

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Spitzer's an idiot. My variable mortgage rate is dependent on the Libor, which at it's current rate is better than a fixed rate, so not everyone is a victim.

Is it rigged? Possibly, but that doesn't automatically make everyone a victim.
 
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DCal430

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Spitzer's an idiot. My variable mortgage rate is dependent on the Libor, which at it's current rate is better than a fixed rate, so not everyone is a victim.

Is it rigged? Possibly, but that doesn't automatically make everyone a victim.

If a state has 10 billion in LIBOR Swaps, then for a 20 basis points drop it paid out around 20 million too much each year. Sounds like it lost big time. The amount of LIBOR swaps currently active is in the hundreds of billions if not trillions of dollars.
 

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This. I think Geithner was a huge mistake for America. Unfortunately, the Republican shills and infotainers focus far more on stupid shiz that doesn't matter and far too little on substantive issues like this.

It was undeniably a mistake, but probably forced on him by Government Goldman and the Fed under threat of assassination.
 

Darwin333

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So what is the solution, put your money in a mattress because our existing banking system can' be trusted. Your Money may not grow but at least it won't shrink either.

Have the currently Democrat headed justice department actually enforce the law and throw the fuckers in jail for committing fraud (gotta be a ton of other charges you can throw at them too). No Republican help necessary.
 

Darwin333

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I admin I'm not well versed enough in the whole LIBOR fiasco, but if what fern is saying is true, that the rates were rigged to be lower than what they otherwise would have been, then the consumers borrowing money were the winners and the banks lending the money were the losers. <shrug>

These banksters have rooms full of very intelligent people. Do you really think that they all colluded together to purposely lose money???? Really???

For every winner there is a loser and I can guarantee you the banksters were not the losers.