Electric bill going up 19.2%

[spidey07]

Thanks Obama! My electric company just sent notice of what they need to do to comply with new Federal energy regulations. The notice says my electricity cost could increase by as much as 19.2%. Total cost for the upgrades to the station providing my power...get this...1.4 BILLION.

What better way to destroy the economy than making people pay significantly more for energy they use?

"electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket. Even regardless of what I say about whether coal is good or bad. Because I’m capping greenhouse gases, coal power plants, you know, natural gas, you name it — whatever the plants were, whatever the industry was, uh, they would have to retrofit their operations. That will cost money. They will pass that money on to consumers." - Barrack Hussein Obama

 

[boomerang]

Smartest President ever...

The economy is in the crapper, people are out of work, people are underemployed, inflation is kicking in and Bobo thinks the time to raise energy prices is now.

We can't get this dumb SOB out of office fast enough.

 

[nickbits]

They are doing the same thing in Canada (at least Ontario) so it isn't just Obama.

 

[spidey07]

Smartest President ever...

The economy is in the crapper, people are out of work, people are underemployed, inflation is kicking in and Bobo thinks the time to raise energy prices is now.

We can't get this dumb SOB out of office fast enough.

Doing the math this will be about 40 bucks a month increase. That's 40 bucks a month I won't be spending. Think about what that will do to every single household in my state. I imagine all coal electric companies are being forced to do this so over half of the population is going to, you know, see their electric prices necessarily skyrocket.

 

[a777pilot]

They are doing the same thing in Canada (at least Ontario) so it isn't just Obama.

Stupidity has no borders.

 

[boomerang]

Doing the math this will be about 40 bucks a month increase. That's 40 bucks a month I won't be spending. Think about what that will do to every single household in my state. I imagine all coal electric companies are being forced to do this so over half of the population is going to, you know, see their electric prices necessarily skyrocket.

And you can afford the $40. There are plenty of folks for which this is going to be a real burden.

 

[IronWing]

All this really does is internalize an externality. Free ride is over, baby.

 

[spidey07]

Has any of the major news networks even mentioned any of this? Googling around some power companies are saying rates will increase 30-60% in the next few years. That is really going to hurt a larger percentage of households.

 

[Slick5150]

Wanna take a guess what your rates went up under Bush? Nah, that'd ruin your little rant.

Also, your title is misleading.

 

[spidey07]

Also think about what it will do to industry/manufacturing if their electricity bills skyrocket, it will make everything more expensive.

 

[CLite]

Thanks Obama! My electric company just sent notice of what they need to do to comply with new Federal energy regulations. The notice says my electricity cost could increase by as much as 19.2%. Total cost for the upgrades to the station providing my power...get this...1.4 BILLION.

Smartest President ever...

Stupidity has no borders.

Oh look a collection of clowns with no ability to do research. Let me fill in the gaps.......

Listen up, this was already instituted in 2005 under the George W. Bush administration as mandated by congressional legislation in 1990, until a 2008 court ruling against it due to some law issues. It's focus is on controlling mercury emissions, metals, and some chlorides; absolutely nothing to do with GHG. Since 2008 there has been an effort to address the issues that the court identified. The new proposed rules for 2012 are in line with this effort.

This is not driven by Obama but rather is just a continuation of a policy that dates back to the first Bush. If anyone is receiving letters from their utilities that did not receive these letters in 2005 it's because the utilities know there are packs of rabid citizens out there willing to hate Obama for any possible reason.

 

[Jhhnn]

That's 40 bucks a month I won't be spending.

You'll still be spending it, just not on schlock from Guangdong or political contributions to a tea party raver.

Maybe a good thing overall.

 

[fskimospy]

Oh look a collection of clowns with no ability to do research. Let me fill in the gaps.......

Listen up, this was already instituted in 2005 under the George W. Bush administration as mandated by congressional legislation in 1990, until a 2008 court ruling against it due to some law issues. It's focus is on controlling mercury emissions, metals, and some chlorides; absolutely nothing to do with GHG. Since 2008 there has been an effort to address the issues that the court identified. The new proposed rules for 2012 are in line with this effort.

This is not driven by Obama but rather is just a continuation of a policy that dates back to the first Bush. If anyone is receiving letters from their utilities that did not receive these letters in 2005 it's because the utilities know there are packs of rabid citizens out there willing to hate Obama for any possible reason.

Do you have some links to this info? Because this is some pretty hilarious ownage of the resident retards on this forum.

 

[waggy]

yeah t his started under bush guys...its been in the works for years.

though i will say i was kinda hopefull that the Obama camp would put the breaks one it until people got back to work.

 

[CLite]

Do you have some links to this info? Because this is some pretty hilarious ownage of the resident retards on this forum.

This is a concise description of the new utility MACT rules with some forecasts: http://www.powermag.com/environmental/Anticipating-the-New-Utility-MACT-Rules_3314.html

I don't really feel like drumming up links for the 2008 court ruling and the original 2005 rules, but they could be found rather quickly after reading the above article.

*edit* To correct myself, the article is really a description of MACT and a forecast of possible rulesets. I mainly linked it because it mentions the 2008 ruling, which can be traced back to the 2005 rules, which can be traced back to 1990 legislation.

 

[CLite]

yeah t his started under bush guys...its been in the works for years.

though i will say i was kinda hopefull that the Obama camp would put the breaks one it until people got back to work.

Well the problem is if Obama instructed the EPA to ignore the CAIR mandate he would be brought to the courts and he would lose. This really is not a policy driven by presidents.

To be fair to the EPA I think around 55% of the coal plants already comply with these rules. I definitely don't claim to be an expert on emissions but I have a feeling the other 45% are being unnecessarily dirty.

 

[PhoKingGuy]

CA incentivized solar panels FTW, I pay like 20 bucks a month for my power bill. With the lease it comes out to like 90 a month. It was 190 a month before.

 

[Engineer]

CA incentivized solar panels FTW, I pay like 20 bucks a month for my power bill. With the lease it comes out to like 90 a month. It was 190 a month before.

You pay for it with higher CA taxes though, right? (I'm assuming that this is taxpayer funded??)

As for the OP, you know better than to start rooting for your team before the final buzzer sounds.

 

[Rainsford]

So you don't like paying more (or really, anything) for energy. Wow, me neither. To borrow a line I've heard before, they have a support group for that...it's called everyone, and they meet at the bar.

First of all, why would you just believe what the energy company tells you about costs? I mean, it's not like they have any skin in the game, right, so you can believe everything they say. Yeah, maybe complying with energy regulations raises their costs that much. Or maybe it's a good excuse to jack up your bill, increasing their profits, and then blaming someone else so you don't direct your anger at them. Who really knows, but don't take something at face value just because it supports a viewpoint you already hold...come on.

Secondly, energy isn't really "cheaper" if you take away environmental regulations (assuming they are reasonable). Pollution costs you money even if it's NOT a factor in your energy bill, especially in the long run. As someone else said, this is simply internalizing an externality.

 

[Doppel]

"by as much as" does not equal "will increase by".

I wonder what the real impact will be on average to those in your state.

You pay for it with higher CA taxes though, right? (I'm assuming that this is taxpayer funded??)

He doesn't; somebody else does

 

[spidey07]

"by as much as" does not equal "will increase by".

I wonder what the real impact will be on average to those in your state.He doesn't; somebody else does

That was the estimate and even this administartions own estimates are in the 18-25% range.

 

[Jhhnn]

Oh look a collection of clowns with no ability to do research. Let me fill in the gaps.......

Listen up, this was already instituted in 2005 under the George W. Bush administration as mandated by congressional legislation in 1990, until a 2008 court ruling against it due to some law issues. It's focus is on controlling mercury emissions, metals, and some chlorides; absolutely nothing to do with GHG. Since 2008 there has been an effort to address the issues that the court identified. The new proposed rules for 2012 are in line with this effort.

This is not driven by Obama but rather is just a continuation of a policy that dates back to the first Bush. If anyone is receiving letters from their utilities that did not receive these letters in 2005 it's because the utilities know there are packs of rabid citizens out there willing to hate Obama for any possible reason.

But, but... It's all Obama's Fault! Everything!

Righties, like Spidey, have a sixth sense about all of this stuff, kinda like Gay-dar, only different, and a lot less accurate...

 

[umbrella39]

lolwingtards

 

[fskimospy]

I know it's Obama's fault somehow, right spidey?

He probably traveled back in time like the T-1000 and impersonated both Bush presidents in order to put forth his socialist communist fascist environmentalist negrofication plan for all of 'Murrica.

 

[spidey07]

I know it's Obama's fault somehow, right spidey?

He probably traveled back in time like the T-1000 and impersonated both Bush presidents in order to put forth his socialist communist fascist environmentalist negrofication plan for all of 'Murrica.

"electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket. Even regardless of what I say about whether coal is good or bad. Because I’m capping greenhouse gases, coal power plants, you know, natural gas, you name it — whatever the plants were, whatever the industry was, uh, they would have to retrofit their operations. That will cost money. They will pass that money on to consumers." - Barrack Hussein Obama