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Electoral Map Favors Democrats In The Fall

jpeyton

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This proves that the only reason McCain is 'polling' competitively at this point is because the Democrats are still duking it out. Once a nominee is locked in, people have two clear cut candidates, and people pick their party alliances, McCain's numbers will drop like a rock.

Quite simply, in battleground states that were decided by a few percentage points in 2004, Democrats are polling significantly higher with the swing vote (independents) than McCain is. Swing votes are key in swing states, and recent polls show over 70 percent lean towards Democrats on key issues like the economy and the war.

In other news, a MAJOR Hillary fund raiser, and foreign ambassador during the Bill Clinton administration, has defected to camp Obama. The reason? He said Obama is the guaranteed nominee, and that he wants to see the in-party bloodletting come to an end.

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By LIZ SIDOTI, Associated Press Writer

The electoral road to the White House favors Democrats this fall ? either Barack Obama or Hillary Rodham Clinton ? and has Republican John McCain playing defense to thwart a presidential power shift.

A downtrodden economy, the war in Iraq and a public call for change have created an Electoral College outlook and a political environment filled with extraordinary opportunity for the Democrats and enormous challenge for the GOP nominee-in-waiting.

Both parties count on victory in dozens of states that long have voted their way. The competition to reach the 270 electoral votes needed to win is expected to play out primarily in 14 states. All but one saw the greatest action in 2004. The exception is Virginia, a longtime Republican stronghold where Democrats have made inroads.

Eight of the states went for President Bush four years ago, including the crown jewels Ohio and Florida. Six, including big-prize Pennsylvania, voted for Democrat John Kerry. In the battlegrounds, far more electoral votes, 97, are up for grabs for Democrats than the 69 available for McCain to go after. Twice as many of the closest states ? decided by 2 or fewer percentage points ? voted Republican in 2004; they include New Mexico and Iowa, which the GOP won by 1 point.

Both sides argue that their candidates can expand the playing field by making more states competitive than in previous elections. But they likely will only spend time and money to test that theory once they feel confident about higher priority states.

"This is going to be a tough campaign. I have no illusions how hard we have to work to win," McCain says, a sobering assessment of a Republican's chances when most voters say the country is on the wrong track under a GOP president.

Conversely, Democrats exude confidence that Nov. 4 will break their way ? even as they continue their nomination slugfest.

"I have every reason to believe we're going to have a Democratic president," Clinton argues. Obama declares: "We will beat John McCain in November. You can take that to the bank!"

Recent polls, however, show McCain competing strongly with both Clinton and Obama in hypothetical matchups, and Republicans and Democrats envision a close race.

In 2004, Bush won 286 electoral votes to 251 for Kerry. This year's Democratic nominee must triumph in all the states Kerry won, and pick up 19 more votes to prevail ? or come up with another game plan to reach the magic number. McCain, for his part, must fend off Democratic challenges to hang on to the GOP advantage.

DEMOCRATIC OPPORTUNITIES:

Of the 14 battlegrounds, Bush won eight with 97 electoral votes. Half of those states were decided by only 1 or 2 percentage points, and all were under 10 points. Five have Democratic governors this year. Electoral votes are in parentheses.

Three Western states ? Colorado (9), Nevada (5) and New Mexico (5) ? appear obvious targets for Democrats given their gains in the region, sharp population growth and large numbers of swing-voting Hispanics. But McCain, a four-term senator from Arizona, does well among those voters, too; his Senate support for an eventual path to citizenship for illegal immigrants could help.

To the east, Iowa (7) holds promise for the Democrats; Republicans narrowly put it into their column in 2004 after years of Democratic dominance. Both Obama and Clinton competed here during the primary. McCain's opposition to ethanol subsidies complicate his chances, nor is he a favorite of evangelicals. Though less likely to change hands, Missouri (11) is a perennial battleground.

McCain also must defend the two vote-rich prizes that decided the past two elections.

Ohio (20), a bellwether that tipped the race to Bush in 2004, may be poised for a switch, with a rash of job losses, high numbers of Iraq casualties and a series of Republican statewide political defeats in 2006, including the governor.

Florida (27), which put Bush in the White House in 2000 and voted for him again in 2004, will certainly be hard-fought, given its electoral treasure chest. Its demographics are tilting more Republican, though, and Obama has fared poorly in the primaries among Jewish and Hispanic voters. Clinton may have a better shot.

Virginia (13) is a case where Obama, who is black, might play stronger than Clinton because of the state's large black population. The state moves into the competitive category given Democratic gains fueled by the growing Washington suburbs. Virginia also is home to large communities of military veterans who may have an affinity for McCain, a former Navy pilot who spent more than five years as a prisoner of war in Vietnam.

REPUBLICAN OPPORTUNITIES:

Kerry won six of the hard-fought states offering 69 electoral votes that McCain will try to put in the GOP column. All of those were decided by under 5 percentage points. Most have Democratic governors as well as long histories as swing states.

In the upper Midwest, Minnesota (10) has a quirky independent streak that presents an opening for McCain. It also has a Republican governor and will host the GOP's national convention. Wisconsin (10) and Michigan (17) have high numbers of Reagan Democrats that McCain could attract. But voters in all three states are reeling from economic woes, and that works in the Democrats' favor.

New Hampshire (4) fell to Kerry by a razor-thin margin four years ago and, Democrats captured two House seats two years later. But McCain has a close bond with the state that made him in his first presidential primary in 2000, and saved him this year.

It's been 20 years since Pennsylvania (21) voted Republican. Further complicating McCain's chances: The state's economy is bad and many Pennsylvanians have died in Iraq, the war he staunchly supports. Still, conservative swaths that are home to right-leaning Democrats could give McCain an opening. As usual, the Philadelphia suburbs figure to be pivotal.

Oregon (7) has become more competitive in recent elections, but Democrats have won it in each of the last five. McCain hopes his moderate image and support for curbing climate change will tip the state to Republicans.

WILD-CARDS:

Beyond the core states, several others are worth watching.

If Clinton wins the Democratic nomination, Arkansas (6) will certainly be contested. It has voted Republican in back-to-back elections but her husband, a former governor there, carried it twice. West Virginia (5), too, could be a target given that Bill Clinton won it twice and it's home to a large number of the working-class voters she attracts.

Should Obama be the nominee, Democrats say they hope to put solid Southern GOP states in play, those with large black populations. Among them: North Carolina (15) and Georgia (15), and possibly even Louisiana (9) and Mississippi (6). But these are unlikely targets unless the Democrats think the election is in hand.

Democrats also say they may look at Montana (3), which has a Democratic governor, and Kentucky (8), which twice voted for Bill Clinton. But they're also long-shots.

McCain should hold his home state of Arizona (10) despite Democratic threats to play there. He sees potential opportunities in Democratic-leaning states on both coasts because of his appeal to voters across the political spectrum. These include Washington (11) and Maine (4), and, perhaps, even New Jersey (15) and Delaware (3). McCain also talks big about California (55) but the last Republican to win there was George H.W. Bush in 1988.

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A ?Hillraiser? ? a major fundraiser for Hillary Clinton ? said Friday he had defected to Barack Obama?s campaign. The official announcement will be made next week.

Gabriel Guerra-Mondragon ? who served as ambassador to Chile during the Clinton administration ? had raised close to half a million dollars for Clinton?s campaign, reports Chuck Todd, who broke the story.

"We're just bleeding each other out," Guerra-Mondragon told the Washington Post. "Looking at it as coldly as I can, I just don't see how Senator Clinton can overcome Senator Obama with delegates and popular votes. I want this fight to be over, the quicker the better."

He added that leaving the Clinton campaign for Obama's "was a very, very difficult decision for me to make. I am an old and longtime friend of Senator Clinton. And I continue to think she is a fantastic and formidable person. But I am first of all a Democrat."
 
Originally posted by: jpeyton

In other news, a MAJOR Hillary fund raiser, and foreign ambassador during the Bill Clinton administration, has defected to camp Obama. The reason? He said Obama is the guaranteed nominee, and that he wants to see the in-party bloodletting come to an end.

A ?Hillraiser? ? a major fundraiser for Hillary Clinton ? said Friday he had defected to Barack Obama?s campaign. The official announcement will be made next week.

Gabriel Guerra-Mondragon ? who served as ambassador to Chile during the Clinton administration ? had raised close to half a million dollars for Clinton?s campaign, reports Chuck Todd, who broke the story.

"We're just bleeding each other out," Guerra-Mondragon told the Washington Post. "Looking at it as coldly as I can, I just don't see how Senator Clinton can overcome Senator Obama with delegates and popular votes. I want this fight to be over, the quicker the better."

He added that leaving the Clinton campaign for Obama's "was a very, very difficult decision for me to make. I am an old and longtime friend of Senator Clinton. And I continue to think she is a fantastic and formidable person. But I am first of all a Democrat."

Interesting but I am more interested in what has happened since Gabriel Guerra-Mondragon's departure under Republicand rule.

Did the Republicans sell defense weaponry to Chile?

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As the ambassador to Chile, Gabriel Guerra-Mondragón angered many right-wing Chilean leaders by defending the U.S. ban on the export of advanced weapons to Chile, which has been in effect since the dictatorship of Augusto Pinochet Ugarte (1973-1990).

The Chilean constitution of 1980, the ambassador maintained, prevents the president from removing the military commanders in chief and thus does not allow full civilian control of the Chilean armed forces.

Many of Pinochet's supporters in the Chilean parliament were infuriated by these remarks, however left-wing politicians and other Pinochet opponents considered that the ambassador had merely spoken the truth.[1]
 
Nominate Obama and you can pretty much take Florida off the 'swing' state list.

That makes it about even in remaining state the other side can try to switch. (70-69)
 
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Nominate Obama and you can pretty much take Florida off the 'swing' state list.

That makes it about even in remaining state the other side can try to switch. (70-69)

And if elections were won or lost by who can try to switch the most states, that would be a pretty insightful comment 😉
 
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Nominate Obama and you can pretty much take Florida off the 'swing' state list.

That makes it about even in remaining state the other side can try to switch. (70-69)
Not really; the analysis also says McCain has a chance in Oregon and Pennsylvania, states that have voted Democrat for decades. If they didn't lean to Bush in 2000 or 2004, I don't see how either one will vote for 4 more years in 2008.
 
That may be the way things look now, but all those far flung GWB chickens look like they are a fixing to come home to roost. Afghanistan and Iraq could blow up at any time, oil keeps rising faster and faster all the time, and the economy is on the skids faster than GWB can bail out his banker buddies. The dollar is falling like a stone, and we can pretty well bet the international community has ample means to send the message that they will not tolerate a GWB type which McCain is.

The GOP will pay and pay dearly for missing the message the public sent them in the election of 11/06. The GOP was supposed to work for change and instead became the party of gridlock. And now they are running out of time to redeem themselves after compiling the most miserable record in American history.
 
Originally posted by: Lemon law
That may be the way things look now, but all those far flung GWB chickens look like they are a fixing to come home to roost. Afghanistan and Iraq could blow up at any time, oil keeps rising faster and faster all the time, and the economy is on the skids faster than GWB can bail out his banker buddies. The dollar is falling like a stone, and we can pretty well bet the international community has ample means to send the message that they will not tolerate a GWB type which McCain is.

The GOP will pay and pay dearly for missing the message the public sent them in the election of 11/06. The GOP was supposed to work for change and instead became the party of gridlock. And now they are running out of time to redeem themselves after compiling the most miserable record in American history.

up is down and down is up.... :laugh:
 
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Nominate Obama and you can pretty much take Florida off the 'swing' state list.

That makes it about even in remaining state the other side can try to switch. (70-69)
Not really; the analysis also says McCain has a chance in Oregon and Pennsylvania, states that have voted Democrat for decades. If they didn't lean to Bush in 2000 or 2004, I don't see how either one will vote for 4 more years in 2008.

True. Still not even close at this point.

McCain doesn't even have to campaign to win in November.
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Nominate Obama and you can pretty much take Florida off the 'swing' state list.

That makes it about even in remaining state the other side can try to switch. (70-69)
Not really; the analysis also says McCain has a chance in Oregon and Pennsylvania, states that have voted Democrat for decades. If they didn't lean to Bush in 2000 or 2004, I don't see how either one will vote for 4 more years in 2008.

True. Still not even close at this point.

McCain doesn't even have to campaign to win in November.
Are you a betting man?
 
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Nominate Obama and you can pretty much take Florida off the 'swing' state list.

That makes it about even in remaining state the other side can try to switch. (70-69)
Not really; the analysis also says McCain has a chance in Oregon and Pennsylvania, states that have voted Democrat for decades. If they didn't lean to Bush in 2000 or 2004, I don't see how either one will vote for 4 more years in 2008.

True. Still not even close at this point.

McCain doesn't even have to campaign to win in November.
Are you a betting man?

That's a game only the rich play.
 
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Nominate Obama and you can pretty much take Florida off the 'swing' state list.

That makes it about even in remaining state the other side can try to switch. (70-69)
Not really; the analysis also says McCain has a chance in Oregon and Pennsylvania, states that have voted Democrat for decades. If they didn't lean to Bush in 2000 or 2004, I don't see how either one will vote for 4 more years in 2008.

True. Still not even close at this point.

McCain doesn't even have to campaign to win in November.
Are you a betting man?

Yeah, I'd like to put a bet on that as well. McCain doesn't stand a chance.
 
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Nominate Obama and you can pretty much take Florida off the 'swing' state list.

That makes it about even in remaining state the other side can try to switch. (70-69)
Not really; the analysis also says McCain has a chance in Oregon and Pennsylvania, states that have voted Democrat for decades. If they didn't lean to Bush in 2000 or 2004, I don't see how either one will vote for 4 more years in 2008.

True. Still not even close at this point.

McCain doesn't even have to campaign to win in November.
Are you a betting man?

Yeah, I'd like to put a bet on that as well. McCain doesn't stand a chance.

What?

How will he not win?

The delegate count from the Red states still totally destroys the blue count.

There has been no "fundamental" shift away from Corporate and Religious control of the delegates.
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Nominate Obama and you can pretty much take Florida off the 'swing' state list.

That makes it about even in remaining state the other side can try to switch. (70-69)
Not really; the analysis also says McCain has a chance in Oregon and Pennsylvania, states that have voted Democrat for decades. If they didn't lean to Bush in 2000 or 2004, I don't see how either one will vote for 4 more years in 2008.

True. Still not even close at this point.

McCain doesn't even have to campaign to win in November.
Are you a betting man?

Yeah, I'd like to put a bet on that as well. McCain doesn't stand a chance.

What?

How will he not win?

The delegate count from the Red states still totally destroys the blue count.

There has been no "fundamental" shift away from Corporate and Religious control of the delegates.

1.) He won't win because he's not a particularly strong candidate in the most hostile electoral year for Republicans in a generation.
2.) No it doesn't.
3.) Corporations and religious groups don't control electoral college delegates.

If you're so sure, take my bet I offered you earlier. If you win I'll write you a wonderful, long poem of praise to your election prediction abilities, how attractive you are to women, etc.. etc. Maybe it will give you some good signature material. If I'm wrong, you have to give up your gas price thread. (if you have something else you would want instead of my poem of praise by all means tell me)

EDIT: I screwed up my numbering.
 
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