Eight marijuana stores – from as many as 99 dispensaries that opened – are left.

[Kadarin]

For what? Because it is illegal.

It's illegal because it's "bad", and "bad" because it's illegal. It's circular reasoning, and it's wrong.

 

[bfdd]

This. When the means of production are cheap (1 seed, 1 pot, soil, water, sun, time) its time to make it illegal. Gotta keep the means of production in the hands of big pharma and that stock price up.

You are leaving out a crucial ingredient, time. From seed you're talking around 5 months of growth?

 

[Fear No Evil]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeYsTmIzjkw&ob=av3e

 

[OutHouse]

thre is a 10,000Sqft warehouse across the street from where i work that is a grow house for all the dispensaries in boulder/Denver. let me tell you when its harvest time the whole area smells like a family of skunks just moved in. holy shit its strong and even permeates the inside of your car.

we have the warehouse next to it for storage and i like to go over with the facilities guys and take the scissor lift up and peek over the drywall. its a fricken pot jungle in there.

 

[woolfe9999]

There's no reason for marijuana to be illegal - none whatsoever - and given limited law enforcement resources, enforcement should be a low priority, particularly where states have legalized medicinal pot. I honestly don't understand where the Obama admin is coming from on this. It isn't even good politics. Polls are overwhelmingly in favor of legalizing pot for medical purposes. Heck, we're near 50/50 on de-criminalizing it entirely.

 

[OutHouse]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeYsTmIzjkw&ob=av3e

heheheh love it.

 

[Zebo]

There is a very limited number of people that will grow MJ.
If it was that easy and popular, then why are there so many "dispensaries".
You would think that every college kid in a MMJ state would have a card and a grow box in their dorm.

If the big pharm felt that there would be a profit by having it commercialized for actual large scale drug usage, they would be behind it. They would have the resources to have it grown properly and experiment with different strains to be used against different legitimate conditions.

The benefits have not been proven to the point that it is reasonable for the big pharm to push for legalization.

You have statements of people stating the MJ has helped them; but are there actual controlled studies?

With MMJ so tainted by the abusers, it becomes untouchable.

I think you still have to be sanctioned by the state to grow it. Exclusion once again.

As far as studies I don't know or care. I'm sure they are out there.Never checked. For me this is liberty issue and people should be allowed to ingest whatever they want as they could before puritanical prohibition which started in the 1930s for drugs.

 

[Zebo]

Probably because he was operating legally under state law. Ignoring for a second the fact that marijuana shouldn't even be illegal so long as alcohol and tobacco are legal, state law should never be trumped by federal law.

That's just bullshit. That really negates any purpose for having state law if they don't matter. How do you tell somebody something is legal, and then have feds come arrest them for it?

Go here and look at sponsors of " A partnership for a drug free america "

http://www.drugfree.org/about/our-partners/sponsors-supporters

basically this :
big pharma
big pharma
big pharma
big pharma
mlb
insurance
insurance

You get cancer patients smoking marijuana, and suddenly they don't need thousands of dollars worth of pills per year. These people actively lobby to keep marijuana illegal because it would dig too far into their profits if it were recognized for all of it's benefits.

TAXES you're forgetting taxes. Gov't hates shit that's hard to tax or untaxed. That's why even California you had to get a licence to grow and every plant had a $100 tax on it. That's why making whiskey or growing your own tobacco to sell is illegal too.

 

[xj0hnx]

For me this is liberty issue and people should be allowed to ingest whatever they want as they could before puritanical prohibition which started in the 1930s for drugs.

+1. Same here, it's absurd that you can go get legally blind raging drunk, but if you smoke a joint, or take a pill that a doctor didn't give you, you're a "criminal". Only an truly ignorant fool would try to justify this bullshit.

 

[SilthDraeth]

US is Federal.
State is California

ahh...

 

[Londo_Jowo]

TAXES you're forgetting taxes. Gov't hates shit that's hard to tax or untaxed. That's why even California you had to get a licence to grow and every plant had a $100 tax on it. That's why making whiskey or growing your own tobacco to sell is illegal too.

This ^

 

[Saint Nick]

Best part is the White House pretty much sweeps this issue under the rug every time it comes up. Hell, even on their "We the People" online petition, cannabis was probably the most popular issue. And, again, the White House swept it under the rug.

Imagine that.

 

[bfdd]

Best part is the White House pretty much sweeps this issue under the rug every time it comes up. Hell, even on their "We the People" online petition, cannabis was probably the most popular issue. And, again, the White House swept it under the rug.

Imagine that.

Cannabis is one of those subjects that easily exposes those corrupt higher ups. It is something all "progressives" should be behind as well as "conservatives", prohibition is anti-liberty and anti-progress.

 

[PokerGuy]

I honestly don't understand where the Obama admin is coming from on this.

Even if you don't like the laws, the federal government can't just simply ignore blatant out in the open flouting of the federal laws can it? Oh wait, it doesn't tackle illegal immigration, so yes, it can. That said, how hard was it to write some warning letters?

 

[woolfe9999]

Even if you don't like the laws, the federal government can't just simply ignore blatant out in the open flouting of the federal laws can it? Oh wait, it doesn't tackle illegal immigration, so yes, it can. That said, how hard was it to write some warning letters?

Yeah, but you clipped out the part where I said "given limited law enforcement resources...." It makes no sense to devote limited resources in this area.

 

[bfdd]

Even if you don't like the laws, the federal government can't just simply ignore blatant out in the open flouting of the federal laws can it? Oh wait, it doesn't tackle illegal immigration, so yes, it can. That said, how hard was it to write some warning letters?

Thanks for making my point for me. Now can we stand together against tyranny, even if it's something you consider so petty?

 

[davmat787]

Year after year, the general public becomes more favorable towards the making marijuana a legal, but controlled, substance. At least medicinally. At the current trajectory, when do you guys think overwhelming public opinion will finally force the .gov to take action? In the months after Obama took office, he seemed ready to take some action, at least finally leaving up to each state, but he appears to have done a 180 on it.

In theory, if say 75% of the populace wants it legalized, the .gov should make it legal. The .gov is us, for us, not a parent figure that overrides our will.

 

[bfdd]

Year after year, the general public becomes more favorable towards the making marijuana a legal, but controlled, substance. At least medicinally. At the current trajectory, when do you guys think overwhelming public opinion will finally force the .gov to take action? In the months after Obama took office, he seemed ready to take some action, at least finally leaving up to each state, but he appears to have done a 180 on it.

In theory, if say 75% of the populace wants it legalized, the .gov should make it legal. The .gov is us, for us, not a parent figure that overrides our will.

Cannabis has a higher approval rating than tobacco.

 

[woolfe9999]

Year after year, the general public becomes more favorable towards the making marijuana a legal, but controlled, substance. At least medicinally. At the current trajectory, when do you guys think overwhelming public opinion will finally force the .gov to take action? In the months after Obama took office, he seemed ready to take some action, at least finally leaving up to each state, but he appears to have done a 180 on it.

In theory, if say 75% of the populace wants it legalized, the .gov should make it legal. The .gov is us, for us, not a parent figure that overrides our will.

I don't really think that anything should be criminalized unless at least a majority favor it, maybe a super majority. Common crimes like murder, kidnapping, rape, arson and theft have an overwhelming consensus for criminalization. A crime carries with it the possibility of losing your freedom. I'm not even sure a simple majority is enough, but there must be that at a minimum.

If we're talking politically, I think we'll see more states de-criminalizing it for medicinal purposes over the next decade, and within 5 years the first state will totally de-criminalize. I predict it will be de-criminalized at the federal level in the middle of the next decade, and that public approval for doing so will be 60%+ by then.

 

[bfdd]

I don't really think that anything should be criminalized unless at least a majority favor it, maybe a super majority. Common crimes like murder, kidnapping, rape, arson and theft have an overwhelming consensus for criminalization. A crime carries with it the possibility of losing your freedom. I'm not even sure a simple majority is enough, but there must be that at a minimum.

If we're talking politically, I think we'll see more states de-criminalizing it for medicinal purposes over the next decade, and within 5 years the first state will totally de-criminalize. I predict it will be de-criminalized at the federal level in the middle of the next decade, and that public approval for doing so will be 60%+ by then.

Without changing the current system, the upsurging cannabis industry will just become another player in the lobbying branch of our political system. We don't need that either.

 

[werepossum]

Probably because he was operating legally under state law. Ignoring for a second the fact that marijuana shouldn't even be illegal so long as alcohol and tobacco are legal, state law should never be trumped by federal law.

That's just bullshit. That really negates any purpose for having state law if they don't matter. How do you tell somebody something is legal, and then have feds come arrest them for it?

Go here and look at sponsors of " A partnership for a drug free america "

http://www.drugfree.org/about/our-partners/sponsors-supporters

basically this :
big pharma
big pharma
big pharma
big pharma
mlb
insurance
insurance

You get cancer patients smoking marijuana, and suddenly they don't need thousands of dollars worth of pills per year. These people actively lobby to keep marijuana illegal because it would dig too far into their profits if it were recognized for all of it's benefits.

Never? What about state laws that say blacks can't vote, or interracial couples can't marry, or gays can't teach? I'm fairly big on states' rights, but there has to be some overriding federal law or we aren't one country, just fifty little countries clustered together.

I support medical marijuana completely; for that matter I have no problem with legalizing weed and regulating it like alcohol. But I can't take a side either way here because I don't know WHY the dispensaries were closed; if they were violating the law, they probably should have been closed. (Hmm, maybe THAT'S why all those Occupiers sprang up - their weed dried up!)

Other than that, whomever decided that 20% out of business equals 91 of 99 out of business evidently still has a functioning dispensary. LOL

 

[werepossum]

I think you still have to be sanctioned by the state to grow it. Exclusion once again.

As far as studies I don't know or care. I'm sure they are out there.Never checked. For me this is liberty issue and people should be allowed to ingest whatever they want as they could before puritanical prohibition which started in the 1930s for drugs.

Agreed. The law should come down hard of those who damage other people, not just ban things that aren't likely to cause such behavior.

 

[woolfe9999]

Without changing the current system, the upsurging cannabis industry will just become another player in the lobbying branch of our political system. We don't need that either.

Every industry that traffics in legal commodities is a lobbyist or potential lobbyist. I fail to see how this has any impact on the desirability of legalization.

 

[bfdd]

Every industry that traffics in legal commodities is a lobbyist or potential lobbyist. I fail to see how this has any impact on the desirability of legalization.

I'd just rather not potentially create another monster.

 

[pcgeek11]

It's illegal because it's "bad", and "bad" because it's illegal. It's circular reasoning, and it's wrong.

You can say what you like until your dick falls off and it doesn't change the fact that it is illegal. Circular, square or oblong reasoning; it doesn't matter.

Whine away! I think it is funny as hell.