Egypt's contentious Islamist constitution becomes law

DucatiMonster696

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And another extremist Islamic nation is born. Good job Obama administration clearly that support you gave for the "Arab Spring" is working as intended.

http://news.yahoo.com/egypts-leader-signs-contentious-constitution-law-091517463.html

Egypt's contentious Islamist constitution becomes law

CAIRO (Reuters) - President Mohamed Mursi admitted on Wednesday that Egypt's economy faces serious problems after he enacted a new, bitterly contested constitution that is supposed to help end political unrest and allow him to focus on the financial crisis.

The president said the economy also had great opportunities to grow, but earlier the Egyptian pound tumbled to its weakest level in almost eight years as ever more people rushed to buy dollars and withdraw their savings from banks.

Mursi, catapulted into power by his Islamist allies this year, believes that adopting the constitution quickly and holding elections to a permanent new parliament soon will help to end the long period of turmoil that has wrecked the economy.

The presidency announced on Wednesday that Mursi had formally approved the constitution, which was drafted by his Islamist allies, the previous evening, shortly after results showed that Egyptians had backed it in a referendum.

Keen to be seen as tough but fair, Mursi said it was time for all political forces to put aside their differences and start working together to bring economic stability.

"I will make all efforts, together with you, to push forward the economy which faces huge challenges and has great opportunities to grow," Mursi said in his first address to the nation since the adoption of the constitution.

The text won about 64 percent in a two-stage referendum, paving the way for a new parliamentary vote in about two months.

The main opposition group, which has until now boycotted all rounds of national unity talks led by Mursi's office, said it had not changed its position.

"The ongoing talks are farcical and theatrical," Hussein Abdel Ghani, an opposition spokesman, told reporters. He called on Egyptians to demonstrate against the new constitution on January 25, the second anniversary of Egypt's revolution.

He added that the opposition would stick to its policy of peaceful protest against Mursi's government, which he said sought to use religion as a tool to create an oppressive state.

ANOTHER ISLAMIST VICTORY

The referendum result marked yet another electoral victory for the Islamists since veteran autocrat Hosni Mubarak was toppled in 2011, following parliamentary elections last year and the presidential vote that brought Mursi to power this year.

The charter states that the principles of sharia, Islamic law, are the main source of legislation and that Islamic authorities will be consulted on sharia - a source of concern to the Christian minority and others.

Mursi's government, which has accused opponents of damaging the economy by prolonging the political upheaval, now faces the tough task of building a broad consensus as it prepares to impose hugely unpopular austerity measures.

In his speech, Mursi said he would introduce incentives to make Egypt - once a darling of emerging market investors - an attractive place for business once again, and he would consider making changes in the cabinet as part of his plan.

He also appeared keen to seem tolerant of those who voted "no" in this month's referendum.

"This is their right," he said. "Those who said 'no' and those who said 'yes', I thank you both because we do not want to return to the era of one opinion or fake majorities."

CRISIS ATMOSPHERE

The atmosphere of crisis deepened this week after the Standard & Poor's agency downgraded Egypt's long-term credit rating and warned of a possible further cut. The government has imposed currency restrictions to reduce capital flight.

In Cairo's bustling center, people appeared nervous, openly expressing their frustration with economic instability as they went about their daily business.

"The country's going to the pits. Everything is a mess," Hamdy Hussein, a 61-year-old building janitor, said angrily. "It's worse than ever. Mubarak was better than now. People were living and there was security."

Ashraf Mohamed Kamal, 30, added: "The economic situation will be a mess in the next few years. It already is. People will get hungrier. People are now begging more."

The pound traded as low as 6.1775 against the dollar on Wednesday, close to its all-time low of 6.26 hit on October 14, 2004, on concerns that the government might devalue or tighten restrictions on currency movements.

"All customers are rushing to buy dollars after the downgrading," said a dealer at a Cairo-based bank. "We'll have to wait to see how the market will operate with the U.S. dollar, because as you know there is a rush at the moment."

The government is now in talks with business figures, trade unions and other groups to persuade them of the need for tax increases to resolve the crisis. Mursi has committed to such austerity measures to receive a $4.8 billion loan from the International Monetary Fund.
However, Al-Mal newspaper quoted Planning Minister Ashraf al-Araby as saying the government would not implement the tax increases until it had completed the dialogue with different parts of society.

Mursi's government argues the constitution offers enough protection to all groups, and that many Egyptians are fed up with street protests that have prevented a return to normality.
The charter gives Egypt's upper house of parliament, which is dominated by Islamists, full legislative powers until the vote for a new lower house is held.

Mursi is also due to address the upper house on Saturday in a speech likely to be dominated by economic policy.

Sharpening people's concerns, the authorities imposed currency controls on Tuesday to prevent capital flight. Leaving or entering Egypt with more than $10,000 in cash is now banned.

Adding to the government's long list of worries, Communications Minister Hany Mahmoud has resigned citing his "inability to adapt to the government's working culture".
(Additional reporting by Patrick Werr and Tamim Eylan; Writing by Maria Golovnina; editing by David Stamp)
 
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That pos obama supported the mb and now look what has happened.

I remember warning about the mb and all the idiots attacked me, well are you guys going to admit you were wrong?
 

werepossum

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Obama supported Mubarak until it was clear he was going to be toppled. He even supported Syria's Asad until it became apparent he was going to be toppled.
 

Lemon law

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Where does this idea come from that the USA has a right, or much less the ability to decide how acceptable some foreign leader is to the people of some foreign country?

After all, do we let the governments of England, Iran, China, or France to select the leaders of our USA government?

Poor ole inconsolable, the people of Egypt paid no attention to him. Not to mention the fact, in the US elections of 11/6/2012, the people of the USA paid little attention to in inconsolable either.
 

CallMeJoe

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Still longing for the Good Old Days when Uncle Sam and the European Colonial Powers could tell all the Brown People what government they were allowed to have?
 

DucatiMonster696

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Still longing for the Good Old Days when Uncle Sam and the European Colonial Powers could tell all the Brown People what government they were allowed to have?

Obviously the minority who opposes this clearly radical Islamic Constitution will be singing the praises of the Muslim Brotherhood in your mind.
 

Bateluer

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Where does this idea come from that the USA has a right, or much less the ability to decide how acceptable some foreign leader is to the people of some foreign country?

After all, do we let the governments of England, Iran, China, or France to select the leaders of our USA government?

Poor ole inconsolable, the people of Egypt paid no attention to him. Not to mention the fact, in the US elections of 11/6/2012, the people of the USA paid little attention to in inconsolable either.

So you'd have no problems with a consortium of US bankers appointing a US President of their choosing and then implementing a replacement to the US Constitution that they wrote?

Face it, Islamist Republic and Sharia Law are not going to benefit the Egyptian people any more than they've benefited the people of Iran or Afghanistan.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Where does this idea come from that the USA has a right, or much less the ability to decide how acceptable some foreign leader is to the people of some foreign country?

After all, do we let the governments of England, Iran, China, or France to select the leaders of our USA government?

Poor ole inconsolable, the people of Egypt paid no attention to him. Not to mention the fact, in the US elections of 11/6/2012, the people of the USA paid little attention to in inconsolable either.

Poor old Egyptians. They got a dictator instead of a democracy and have to take what Morsi offers. It's not about our choice, but the loss a democratic potential there.
 

JEDIYoda

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Poor old Egyptians. They got a dictator instead of a democracy and have to take what Morsi offers. It's not about our choice, but the loss a democratic potential there.

But wait....if the people take to the streets surely a democracy will set in and there will be peace for all.........and Lemon Pie and plenty of Shrooms for all....
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Still longing for the Good Old Days when Uncle Sam and the European Colonial Powers could tell all the Brown People what government they were allowed to have?

I'm sure Pol Pot was a favorite too since we didn't pick him either.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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But wait....if the people take to the streets surely a democracy will set in and there will be peace for all.........and Lemon Pie and plenty of Shrooms for all....

He'll find a way to play apologist for the MB probably diverting to irrelevant but pet causes.
 

1prophet

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So these are the type of people that the Pope wants to make an alliance with against gay marriage and the dumb ass so called liberals think it's a good thing that they came into real power just to spite their conservative adversaries?
 

fskimospy

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I'm really interested to hear what people think Obama should have done instead. Do you think we could have kept Mubarak in power? If so, why? If we couldn't keep Mubarak in power, what alternate policy should we have pursued?

I'm very curious to hear those answers.
 

yllus

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Not surprised at all as what little trustworthy polling in Egypt has been indicating this outcome for some time. Idiotic move, but it's now their country to make stupid mistakes with.

I too would like to hear what America should have done instead.
 
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I'm really interested to hear what people think Obama should have done instead. Do you think we could have kept Mubarak in power? If so, why? If we couldn't keep Mubarak in power, what alternate policy should we have pursued?

I'm very curious to hear those answers.

Do you think the mb is better than Mubarak?
 

Meghan54

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Just wondering, what do any of you think is going to happen in Iraq after we completely withdraw from that country? I'm willing to bet it won't be a democracy of any sort we recognize; rather it'll be another Islamic state being created, just like in Egypt.

And it really baffles me that we in the West are surprised when a country that has a significant Islamic population gets what it wants, a religious based theocracy. It's what that area of the world has worked under for thousands of years and no amount of the West trying to force our concept of democracy down their throats is going to change what they know and want.

True, there are small minorities within these Islamist states that hate that system, but in the end, the majority rules, at least in this case as it will happen in Iraq.

Just wonder why anyone is surprised. We remove or encourage the removal of a dictator that's non-Islamic and then we're surprised that given choice, those populations choose what's familiar---a theocracy based on their own dominant religion.
 

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Do you think the mb is better than Mubarak?
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Exactly the definition of your stupidity inconsolable. No one in Egypt have you or I a vote on that who is better question in terms of Morsi or Mubarak question? But still the Egyptian people overwhelming voted for the Muslim Brotherhood.

And to compound your stupidity inconsolable, you fail to look at the Egyptian alternative to Morsi. Which was the super right wing Salift Egyptian party that are far more nutty and super Islamist that far more resemble the Taliban. As Morsi is a Western trained techocrat that is not adverse to US policy to modernize Egypt. Tell us again inconsolable why you think it would have been better if the nutty as squirrel poo Salifts had won instead.

Or better yet, we could compare to US Egyptian neutrality to US interventionist policy in Libya that resulted in the end of Gadaffi in a comparable Arab spring event, In what amounted to a violent Libyan civil war. Tell us again inconsolable, why you would have preferred the continuance of the Gaddiffi rule?

But when the dust finally settled in Libya, the tyrant in Gaddafi was dead, even if the country of Libya was left in semi-anarchy. And on basically the same day radical Libyan Salifts murdered our US Ambassador Stevens and others, Libyans went to the polls and elected another pro- Western technocrats dominated government very similar to Morsi.

But you inconsolable have a mighty fine fantasy to think the people of Egypt or Libya would elect a pro-Israeli government. As for me, I take a lot of cheer that nuttyier than squillel poo Salifts got soundly rejected by the people of Libya and Egypt. And here silly me, I thought inconsolable would be thrilled to see the mid-east embracing democratic governments. And giving dictators the ole heave ho.
 

JEDIYoda

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Exactly the definition of your stupidity inconsolable. No one in Egypt have you or I a vote on that who is better question in terms of Morsi or Mubarak question? But still the Egyptian people overwhelming voted for the Muslim Brotherhood.

And to compound your stupidity inconsolable, you fail to look at the Egyptian alternative to Morsi. Which was the super right wing Salift Egyptian party that are far more nutty and super Islamist that far more resemble the Taliban. As Morsi is a Western trained techocrat that is not adverse to US policy to modernize Egypt. Tell us again inconsolable why you think it would have been better if the nutty as squirrel poo Salifts had won instead.

Or better yet, we could compare to US Egyptian neutrality to US interventionist policy in Libya that resulted in the end of Gadaffi in a comparable Arab spring event, In what amounted to a violent Libyan civil war. Tell us again inconsolable, why you would have preferred the continuance of the Gaddiffi rule?

But when the dust finally settled in Libya, the tyrant in Gaddafi was dead, even if the country of Libya was left in semi-anarchy. And on basically the same day radical Libyan Salifts murdered our US Ambassador Stevens and others, Libyans went to the polls and elected another pro- Western technocrats dominated government very similar to Morsi.

But you inconsolable have a mighty fine fantasy to think the people of Egypt or Libya would elect a pro-Israeli government. As for me, I take a lot of cheer that nuttyier than squillel poo Salifts got soundly rejected by the people of Libya and Egypt. And here silly me, I thought inconsolable would be thrilled to see the mid-east embracing democratic governments. And giving dictators the ole heave ho.

your response requires the old proverbial but effective -- huh?
 
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Hayabusa Rider

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your response requires the old proverbial but effective -- huh?

See, I was right :D

Whether or not the Egyptians voted for the MB is irrelevant- there would have been no "what party do you chose to seize power and create an autocracy" option on the ballot which is what Morsi did. I don't know what Egypt is, but voting in those who usurp democracy does not make a free society.
 

dawp

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It doesn't matter who's in office whether they have a D or an R behind their name, they're going to support whoever the business interest supports until it is no longer practical and not in the best interest of the local population. It's been that way for decades.
 

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So these are the type of people that the Pope wants to make an alliance with against gay marriage and the dumb ass so called liberals think it's a good thing that they came into real power just to spite their conservative adversaries?

I don't give a crap about the political alignment...Anybody who supports the most anti-female and anti-gay force on the planet is under a category called "scum".
 

Pr0d1gy

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And people wonder why I used to say we should just blast that entire region back to the stone age.

Of course, now I say we should just disband Israel since their own holy book says they should not have a nation.

At this point, either one would suffice I suppose.