Egyptians call to cancel peace with Israel

[SamurAchzar]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Egypt, Jordan havent attacked Israel for a long time. That is far into the past.

& as for the Egypt-Israel relations.. ask an Israeli who has lived there.
ThePresence probably knows the situation better than all of us.

In case I haven't said that clearly already, I am an Israeli living in Israel.
The peace with Egypt is as cold as it gets - and that's not because of the Israelis.

In the eye of the Egyptians, it seems like they are still bitter for their previous losses and aren't willing to come to terms with the existence of Israel.

Any nuke that goes off in the M.E = end of world.

No doubt things will get ugly. From what I know, back in the day, Israel's Jericho ICBM were designed to reach Moscow, in case the USSR supplies nuclear arms to the Arab countries or militarily intervens in their favor in a way the endangers Israel.

Also, Israel has succesfully launched several sattelites with its own launchers. If you launch a sattelite, you are theortically able to reach any point on the planet.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: straightalker
Israel lacks manpower. Surrounding them are at least 250 million Muslims in Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Iran.

The strategy currently being used by Israel's many neighboring enemies is to prepare to pound Israel with Scud sized missiles and larger. Not katyusha spitballs that barely punch a hole in the ground.

The neighbors know Irael's weaknesses. Also, after Israel looses Tel Aviv and perhaps two or three other major cities and is covered in large parts by nuclear fallout, the tables will begin to turn of Israel's military advantages.

I firmly suspect Israel is going to get nuked soon if they keep up their current war-machine momentum. Syria allegedely has nukes and so does Iran. That's from some sources closest to the situation. I don't doubt that at all.

Egypt will not respond well when Israel retaliates by nuking in return several Muslim cities in Syria and Iran. The war will escalate and the border between Egypt and Israel will become very tense. Isrtael had better stay healthy among so many wolves. A serious weakness could invite disaster. Invasion.

You mean, 'He who lives by the sword dies by the sword!"?

 

[SamurAchzar]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: straightalker
Israel lacks manpower. Surrounding them are at least 250 million Muslims in Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Iran.

The strategy currently being used by Israel's many neighboring enemies is to prepare to pound Israel with Scud sized missiles and larger. Not katyusha spitballs that barely punch a hole in the ground.

The neighbors know Irael's weaknesses. Also, after Israel looses Tel Aviv and perhaps two or three other major cities and is covered in large parts by nuclear fallout, the tables will begin to turn of Israel's military advantages.

I firmly suspect Israel is going to get nuked soon if they keep up their current war-machine momentum. Syria allegedely has nukes and so does Iran. That's from some sources closest to the situation. I don't doubt that at all.

Egypt will not respond well when Israel retaliates by nuking in return several Muslim cities in Syria and Iran. The war will escalate and the border between Egypt and Israel will become very tense. Isrtael had better stay healthy among so many wolves. A serious weakness could invite disaster. Invasion.

You mean, 'He who lives by the sword dies by the sword!"?

If reading between the lines - err, characters - of your post, it almost sounds like Israel is to blame, despite being attacked again and again since day 1 of its existence.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Egypt, Jordan havent attacked Israel for a long time. That is far into the past.

& as for the Egypt-Israel relations.. ask an Israeli who has lived there.
ThePresence probably knows the situation better than all of us.

I'm sure SamurAchzar knows just as much or more than I do. I was in Taba once for a day, that's the extent of my personal Egyptian experience.
Egypt has political peace with Israel, the Egyptian people are not very comfortable with it.

 

[chcarnage]

The Iudicative and this opposition movement are far from Egypt's corridors of power. So at first glance it looks like the government is more friendly to Israel than the people? Why is that so?

 

[SamurAchzar]

a. Because the goverment is the better educated

b. Because, like most leaders around the world, they have more to loose, personally, than the common people

c. The goverment sees the Islamic militants as a danger (Egypt slaughters members of the Muslim Brothers movement every now and then), but the people see it as a viable alternative. They don't want democracy, they want Allah. Think of Iraq...

d. The above is not to say the Egyptian goverment loves Israel, it's just less explicit about it. Egypt isn't hoarding arms for no reason. Although, truth is, it's not just Israel that's a cause for their vast army, these weapons also allow them a honorable place amidst the top of the Arabian nations.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Aimster
Egypt, Jordan havent attacked Israel for a long time. That is far into the past.

& as for the Egypt-Israel relations.. ask an Israeli who has lived there.
ThePresence probably knows the situation better than all of us.

I'm sure SamurAchzar knows just as much or more than I do. I was in Taba once for a day, that's the extent of my personal Egyptian experience.
Egypt has political peace with Israel, the Egyptian people are not very comfortable with it.

I guess that means you guys are great "friends".

Common sense FTW Aimster geez.

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
a. Because the goverment is the better educated

b. Because, like most leaders around the world, they have more to loose, personally, than the common people

c. The goverment sees the Islamic militants as a danger (Egypt slaughters members of the Muslim Brothers movement every now and then), but the people see it as a viable alternative. They don't want democracy, they want Allah. Think of Iraq...

d. The above is not to say the Egyptian goverment loves Israel, it's just less explicit about it. Egypt isn't hoarding arms for no reason. Although, truth is, it's not just Israel that's a cause for their vast army, these weapons also allow them a honorable place amidst the top of the Arabian nations.

I will say this... of the Arabs I know.... Egyptians tend to have the most positive view towards Israel... Jordanians (non-palestinian) as well...

The sad thing about this whole current conflict is I've found the lebanese to be more positive towards Israel than most as well.

 

[techs]

Another byproduct of our ill concieved war in Iraq and the Bush administrations policies.

 

[IrateLeaf]

Originally posted by: straightalker
Israel lacks manpower. Surrounding them are at least 250 million Muslims in Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Iran.

The strategy currently being used by Israel's many neighboring enemies is to prepare to pound Israel with Scud sized missiles and larger. Not katyusha spitballs that barely punch a hole in the ground.

The neighbors know Irael's weaknesses. Also, after Israel looses Tel Aviv and perhaps two or three other major cities and is covered in large parts by nuclear fallout, the tables will begin to turn of Israel's military advantages.

I firmly suspect Israel is going to get nuked soon if they keep up their current war-machine momentum. Syria allegedely has nukes and so does Iran. That's from some sources closest to the situation. I don't doubt that at all.

Egypt will not respond well when Israel retaliates by nuking in return several Muslim cities in Syria and Iran. The war will escalate and the border between Egypt and Israel will become very tense. Isrtael had better stay healthy among so many wolves. A serious weakness could invite disaster. Invasion.

You really have no clue do you?
israel could care less if you attack all her cities with missles.
There is a price to pay for everything that is done to israel.
with 250 million arabs surrounding Israel if they all chose to attack at once a nuclear option is a possibility.
That is if israel can`t kick all there butts at one time.

 

[Aegeon]

Originally posted by: Czar
yeah, then how about stop occupying syria's land and leave it to lebanon and syria to solve the issue on those farms?

If Syria is willing to negotiate a lasting peace with Israel including formal recognition of Israel this might be doable. The reality is Lebenon's claim's to Shebaa Farms are increadibly dubious though.

 

[Aegeon]

Originally posted by: straightalker
Israel lacks manpower. Surrounding them are at least 250 million Muslims in Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Iran.

The strategy currently being used by Israel's many neighboring enemies is to prepare to pound Israel with Scud sized missiles and larger. Not katyusha spitballs that barely punch a hole in the ground.

The neighbors know Irael's weaknesses. Also, after Israel looses Tel Aviv and perhaps two or three other major cities and is covered in large parts by nuclear fallout, the tables will begin to turn of Israel's military advantages.

I firmly suspect Israel is going to get nuked soon if they keep up their current war-machine momentum. Syria allegedely has nukes and so does Iran. That's from some sources closest to the situation. I don't doubt that at all.

Your sources are absolute crap. No-one seriously thinks Syria has nukes or is even remotely close to them. What you're missing is Israel has enough nukes to destroy virtually all the major cities of its neighbors if necessary. By the way, in a nuke exchange with Iran or somehow if Syria gets them its profoundly unlikely that any other state would get involved. Getting nuked is not an attractive prospect and Israel has enough nukes to keep some in reserve and maintain the threat. Another basic issue is that in practice almost any Middle Eastern leaders is not going to be eager to actually nuke Israle because they are not eager to die in the nuclear counterstrike.

 

[Gamer X]

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
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Quite amazing, but not unexpected. After arming themselves with US' finest and receiving monetary support the size of Israel's - and that's FOR MAINTAINING PEACE - they turn around.

That just goes to show how worthy is the peace in the Middle East. This region has always understood force and force alone, and it will remain this way until the Arab nation develops and steps out of its medieval. Maybe the Internet will rush things, so expect about 100 years of war still to come.

Well, Gamer X, it looks like you're about to lose Sinai again in few years.

I just hope you find tanks to fight us. Hizzbullah destroyed 9 Israeli tanks today.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: Gamer X

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
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Quite amazing, but not unexpected. After arming themselves with US' finest and receiving monetary support the size of Israel's - and that's FOR MAINTAINING PEACE - they turn around.

That just goes to show how worthy is the peace in the Middle East. This region has always understood force and force alone, and it will remain this way until the Arab nation develops and steps out of its medieval. Maybe the Internet will rush things, so expect about 100 years of war still to come.

Well, Gamer X, it looks like you're about to lose Sinai again in few years.

I just hope you find tanks to fight us. Hizzbullah destroyed 9 Israeli tanks today.

Buying into the Al Manar propoganda a wee bit too much, are we?
Did you also believe when they said they shot down 2 Israeli helicopters and an f16?

 

[Gamer X]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Gamer X

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
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Quite amazing, but not unexpected. After arming themselves with US' finest and receiving monetary support the size of Israel's - and that's FOR MAINTAINING PEACE - they turn around.

That just goes to show how worthy is the peace in the Middle East. This region has always understood force and force alone, and it will remain this way until the Arab nation develops and steps out of its medieval. Maybe the Internet will rush things, so expect about 100 years of war still to come.

Well, Gamer X, it looks like you're about to lose Sinai again in few years.

I just hope you find tanks to fight us. Hizzbullah destroyed 9 Israeli tanks today.

Buying into the Al Manar propoganda a wee bit too much, are we?

Believe whatever you want. I see the destroyed tanks. Also 6 Israeli soldiers dead aside from the killed and injured tank crews whom we don't know their exact numbers.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: Gamer X

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Gamer X

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
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Quite amazing, but not unexpected. After arming themselves with US' finest and receiving monetary support the size of Israel's - and that's FOR MAINTAINING PEACE - they turn around.

That just goes to show how worthy is the peace in the Middle East. This region has always understood force and force alone, and it will remain this way until the Arab nation develops and steps out of its medieval. Maybe the Internet will rush things, so expect about 100 years of war still to come.

Well, Gamer X, it looks like you're about to lose Sinai again in few years.

I just hope you find tanks to fight us. Hizzbullah destroyed 9 Israeli tanks today.

Buying into the Al Manar propoganda a wee bit too much, are we?

Believe whatever you want. I see the destroyed tanks. Also 6 Israeli soldiers dead aside from the killed and injured tank crews whom we don't know their exact numbers.

You see whatever they want you to see. Al Manar is not exactly a bastion of truth. Or do you also believe that Israel is busy spreading AIDS among Muslim populations? Just a couple of days ago they claimed to have hit another Israeli ship, which was complete BS. They claimed to have shot down two IDF helicopters a drone and F16. Complete and utter BS. Again, you see what they want you to see. Oh and so far today 3 soldiers were killed and 2 injured. Of course Hezbollah doesn't tell anyone how many were killed of theirs because it might depress all it's supporters. So they just say that about 35 members were killed since fighting began. Do you believe that too?

 

[SamurAchzar]

Originally posted by: Gamer X

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Gamer X

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
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Quite amazing, but not unexpected. After arming themselves with US' finest and receiving monetary support the size of Israel's - and that's FOR MAINTAINING PEACE - they turn around.

That just goes to show how worthy is the peace in the Middle East. This region has always understood force and force alone, and it will remain this way until the Arab nation develops and steps out of its medieval. Maybe the Internet will rush things, so expect about 100 years of war still to come.

Well, Gamer X, it looks like you're about to lose Sinai again in few years.

I just hope you find tanks to fight us. Hizzbullah destroyed 9 Israeli tanks today.

Buying into the Al Manar propoganda a wee bit too much, are we?

Believe whatever you want. I see the destroyed tanks. Also 6 Israeli soldiers dead aside from the killed and injured tank crews whom we don't know their exact numbers.

9 tanks? You mean 19. And 250 Israeli soldiers died, 30 of which in one tank. And that's just from the last hours. That raises the death toll for Israelis to 900,000, compared to 2 Hizbullah fighters who died in a car accident. Unless you also include children in your numbers, then Israel earned 3000 Jewish babys while Lebanon lost 5,000,000, making it borrow children from Iran.

The 3rd Egyptian army, which by no means was surrounded during '73, is currently at the verge of Tel Aviv.

In a raid of the Egyptian commando, Israel has lost all of its airforce - including what was airborne at the time - and is currently negotiating with Lufthansa to lease a 747 cargo jet to drop bombs on innocent Lebanese children from.

And to other news, Egypt's GDP per Capita is now approaching the 40K$ mark. AMD has announced a major R&D center in Cairo, but that would have to wait until the democratic elections in which Mubarak will NOT get 90% of vote.

Martians have declared support of nuclear Iran as they are looking for a new, blank area to settle in as Mars atmosphere is now wrecked due to Interplantery SUVs.

 

[Gamer X]

The destroyed Merkavas that I see every day must be delusions then. Anyway, it is better if you don't feel the catastrophe you are in:laugh:

And Samur, Olmert managed to detroy 80% of Hizbullah. right ?

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
Article

Quite amazing, but not unexpected. After arming themselves with US' finest and receiving monetary support the size of Israel's - and that's FOR MAINTAINING PEACE - they turn around.

That just goes to show how worthy is the peace in the Middle East. This region has always understood force and force alone, and it will remain this way until the Arab nation develops and steps out of its medieval. Maybe the Internet will rush things, so expect about 100 years of war still to come.

Well, Gamer X, it looks like you're about to lose Sinai again in few years.

The only thing this article showed is how Israelis have a habit of taking aggresive actions to kill and displace Arabs, and turning moderate Arab countries against them. If your statement that Arabs only understood force is true, Hezbollah should have stopped shooting missles after almost a month of brutal actions against them and the people in Lebanon. Have they?

 

[Trianon]

Originally posted by: rchiu
If your statement that Arabs only understood force is true, Hezbollah should have stopped shooting missles after almost a month of brutal actions against them and the people in Lebanon. Have they?

He probably meant turn the city into a parking lot, genocide type of force...

 

[SamurAchzar]

Originally posted by: Trianon

Originally posted by: rchiu
If your statement that Arabs only understood force is true, Hezbollah should have stopped shooting missles after almost a month of brutal actions against them and the people in Lebanon. Have they?

He probably meant turn the city into a parking lot, genocide type of force...

Here, educate yourself, I doubt anyone else can -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_September_in_Jordan

 

[SamurAchzar]

Originally posted by: rchiu

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
Article

Quite amazing, but not unexpected. After arming themselves with US' finest and receiving monetary support the size of Israel's - and that's FOR MAINTAINING PEACE - they turn around.

That just goes to show how worthy is the peace in the Middle East. This region has always understood force and force alone, and it will remain this way until the Arab nation develops and steps out of its medieval. Maybe the Internet will rush things, so expect about 100 years of war still to come.

Well, Gamer X, it looks like you're about to lose Sinai again in few years.

The only thing this article showed is how Israelis have a habit of taking aggresive actions to kill and displace Arabs, and turning moderate Arab countries against them. If your statement that Arabs only understood force is true, Hezbollah should have stopped shooting missles after almost a month of brutal actions against them and the people in Lebanon. Have they?

No. They haven't, and they won't. They are indifferent to casualities inflicted to the population. Do you have any other way of explaining why would they attack Israel in the first place? I have none.

Israel hasn't attacked Hizbullah until now just to save lives, on both sides. That's why it quietly let Hizbullah arm itself for six years, and ignoring its previous attacks, including kidnapping 3 soldiers, killing 6 civilians in one incident and so on.
After 6 years, the time has finally come when Hizbullah must pay the bill. And it does, along with the population of Southern Lebanon, because there is NO other way to do it.

The only way of dealing with the Hizbullah is extermination, and I hope, as well as people who believe in Israel right to exist peacefully, that Israel turns up the heat and turns this miserable chain of events to an example for the future generations.

 

[Buck Armstrong]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Gamer X

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Gamer X

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
Article

Quite amazing, but not unexpected. After arming themselves with US' finest and receiving monetary support the size of Israel's - and that's FOR MAINTAINING PEACE - they turn around.

That just goes to show how worthy is the peace in the Middle East. This region has always understood force and force alone, and it will remain this way until the Arab nation develops and steps out of its medieval. Maybe the Internet will rush things, so expect about 100 years of war still to come.

Well, Gamer X, it looks like you're about to lose Sinai again in few years.

I just hope you find tanks to fight us. Hizzbullah destroyed 9 Israeli tanks today.

Buying into the Al Manar propoganda a wee bit too much, are we?

Believe whatever you want. I see the destroyed tanks. Also 6 Israeli soldiers dead aside from the killed and injured tank crews whom we don't know their exact numbers.

You see whatever they want you to see. Al Manar is not exactly a bastion of truth. Or do you also believe that Israel is busy spreading AIDS among Muslim populations? Just a couple of days ago they claimed to have hit another Israeli ship, which was complete BS. They claimed to have shot down two IDF helicopters a drone and F16. Complete and utter BS. Again, you see what they want you to see. Oh and so far today 3 soldiers were killed and 2 injured. Of course Hezbollah doesn't tell anyone how many were killed of theirs because it might depress all it's supporters. So they just say that about 35 members were killed since fighting began. Do you believe that too?

I'd guess a large percentage of the "civilians" killed have been Hezbollah, too. They lie about everything else, so they'd certainly lie about that.

 

[Buck Armstrong]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong

Originally posted by: lozina
Yeah let's just ignore the real source of the problems... the Israeli occupation and now the bombing of Lebanese civilians

Instead let's just pretend the Arabs are bloodthirsty animals (i.e. "only know the use of force")

Israeli occupation of what? They only invaded Lebanon in 1978 and 1982 when they were directly attacked from there by Syrian-backed militants. The UN told them to get out in '78, and they did. In '82, they agreed to leave if Syria would do the same and the militias attacking them were disarmed; the UN passed a resolution to that effect, but Syria and the militias REFUSED, and Israel eventually pulled out unilaterally in 2000. Syria did not leave until 2005 after Hariri's assassination when it was FORCED out by the Lebanese, and Hezbollah has yet to even consider complying with its part of the resolutions.

So until the last couple of weeks, Israel did not occupy ONE SINGLE INCH of Lebanese territory, and therefore you are completely full of sh*t. Congrats. You've been fooled by the dumbest people on Earth.

Depends on who you ask . . . Haaretz

another Haaretz

On Saturday night she came to Jerusalem and asked Olmert to give up the Shaba Farms on the slopes of the Hermon. The withdrawal would be presented as an achievement for Lebanese Prime Minister Fouad Siniora. Olmert said no.

Israel took that from Syria, not Lebanon! :roll: And why? Because it overlooks an Israeli town and they kept getting fvcking attacked from there! The fact that it EVER belonged to Lebanon is a Hezbollah lie that you've swallowed hook-line-and-sinker. They never even claimed it was theirs until 2000, and the only reason Syria didn't immediately object was because it was the only excuse left for Hezbollah to exist after Israel withdrew from Lebanon in 2000!!! Its a staged hoax, and it was pulled off right in front of your eyes and those of the entire world!

Go look it up; the claim is only 6 years old, and only ever existed to fool the Lebanese into believing there was still a reason for an anti-occupation militia after the occupation ended! You've been played like a handpuppet by a gaggle of racist, sexist, genocidal savages clinging to Lebanon like a parasite and dragging her into decades of bloody wars that she has NO stake in!

WAKE UP!

 

[Zebo]

The idea that US money was buying Egypt's "peace" is a joke. The reason for Egypts peace are Israel kicking thier ass in 1948, 1967 and 1973. But the war never stopped. Instead Egypt (and the rest of the arabs) finally bought a clue they could'nt annihilate Israel in a head on conflict so they used a proxy immigrants - and Hamas, Hezbolla, and the "palestinian people" were born.

Egypt has consistently shown malevolence toward Israel since receiving 60 billion in aid from USA.

1. Repeated runs of television programming like a multi-part series based on "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" and other hostile propaganda totally in violation of the David accords.
2. Rifles, men and explosives and other materiel smuggled for years through tunnels dug from Egyptian-controlled Sinai striaght into Gaza.
3. "Reconginizing" Israel but not allowing any Eyptaians to travel to Israel. Nor ever saying so on Egyptain televison.. in effect totally for western consumption and generous payments of course.
4. Mubarak's refusal to meet with an Israeli PM.


What does Egypt do with it's $7.5 billion in arms budget, second to only to USA, India and China in military expense, besides supply Hamas? Look no futher than to the south Jihad in Sudan and Somalia.

So what are we getting exactly from that 60Billion to one of the most oppresive regimes on the planet, besides Egyptians being the most anti-American people in the entire Middle East and funding Jihad I'd like to know?