Egypt steel border wall could choke Hamas in Gaza

JEDIYoda

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A very interesting read!!
What`s interesting is that Egypt on their own, well it appears there is no indication of a cooperative venture with Israel, has taken upon this task by themselves.
Hamas is screaming bloody murder.....
IMO as the article points out and is probably the truth of the matter - The underground passages also pose a threat to Egypt, which is increasingly concerned about an Islamic militant regime on its doorstep.

The wall construction marks the highest profile attempt by Egypt to halt the smuggling and seems to have struck a nerve, judging by Hamas' angry protests.

Hamas officials portrayed Egypt as doing the bidding of Israel and the U.S. and even hinted at another border breach.


When all else fails blame it on cooperation with Israel or being a puppet of israel!!!&! lolol


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100105/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_palestinians_sealing_gaza

RAFAH, Gaza Strip – A jackhammer pounded large steel beams side by side into the sandy soil on the Egyptian side of Gaza's border, putting in place an underground wall that could shift the balance of power in this volatile area.

Once completed, the steel barrier would cut off blockaded Gaza's last lifeline and — by slicing through hundreds of smuggling tunnels under the nine-mile (14-kilometer) Gaza-Egypt border — could increase pressure on the territory's Hamas rulers to moderate.

The Islamic militants have so far shown little willingness to compromise in power-sharing talks with their Western-backed rivals or in negotiations on a prisoner swap with Israel. Their hold on Gaza is at least partly dependent on supplies and cash coming through the tunnels.

On Monday, workers operated huge machines just behind the Egyptian border line, offering a rare glimpse at what the wall is made of.

A drill pierced holes in the soil, a crane lifted steel beams into position and a jackhammer drove them into the ground as several workers could be seen welding.

Egyptian troops in four armored personnel carriers with mounted machine guns guarded the crew. In the past, shots were fired several times from Gaza at the workers, though no one has been hurt.

Hamas guards watched from a nearby position, some shouting insults at an Egyptian soldier who poked his head out of his armored vehicle.

Hamas leaders are furious about the border wall and are seeking to rally Arab and Muslim public opinion against Egypt. On Sunday, demonstrators marched outside Egyptian embassies in Jordan and Lebanon, holding posters showing Egypt's president with Israel's Star of David on his forehead.

Hamas has also marshaled Muslim scholars who decreed that the barrier is "haram," or religiously forbidden. The scholars were responding to a statement by Al-Azhar University, Egypt's prestigious Islamic seat of theology, which reached the opposite conclusion last week.

Gaza's borders have been virtually sealed since June 2006 when Hamas-allied militants captured an Israeli soldier, Gilad Schalit. The blockade by Israel and Egypt intensified a year later when Hamas overran Gaza, seizing the territory from Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas.

The blockade has evoked intense international criticism, but Israel justifies it by claiming that supplies to Gaza could end up in the hands of violent militants.

In response to the stifling closure, Gazans dramatically expanded smuggling from Egypt to bring in commercial goods, along with weapons and cash for Hamas.

Today, nearly 400 tunnels run under Gaza's border with Egypt, employing 15,000 people and bringing in $1 million in goods a day, said Issa Nashar, the Hamas mayor of the Gaza border town of Rafah. The municipality supplies electricity and levies $2,500 in taxes per tunnel, he said.

Large white tents mark the tunnel entrances on the Gaza side.

During a tour Monday, rows of tents were visible along most of the border. A stretch of sandy soil, about 200 yards (meters) wide, runs between the tents and the first Egyptian demarcation, in some places a low stone wall and in others a line of rusty steel containers.

The tunnels run under the border and emerge about half a mile (a kilometer) away on the Egyptian side, the exits often disguised by homes.

Construction of the anti-tunnel wall is believed to have started some time in November, though Egyptian officials initially would not discuss the project and still decline to provide details. In recent days, as opposition to the wall mounted, Egypt's leaders have struck a defiant tone.

"Egyptian borders are sacred and no Egyptian allows any violations in one way or another," Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit said last week.

It's impossible to gauge how much of the wall has already been completed, but smugglers watch the construction with growing concern. Tunnel operators standing near Monday's work site said they have not been directly affected so far, but fear the day when they have to stop working.

Profits from the tunnels are still considerable. A 36-year-old former taxi driver said he makes $100 a day, a large sum for Gaza, by pumping fuel from Egypt through his tunnel.

Amid the uncertainty, rumors are running wild. Many here believe Egypt plans to flood the area and are already scheming to make their tunnels waterproof. Nashar, the Rafah mayor, said enterprising smugglers have managed to cut pieces off the underground wall.

Others have raised the possibility that the smugglers might simply dig deeper, going below the underground wall.

Two years ago, Hamas militants cut down a metal border wall that had been erected by Israel, enabling tens of thousands of Gazans to pour into Egypt until the border was resealed.

During Israel's 38-year military control of Gaza, Israel tried in vain to halt the smuggling, including tearing down houses along the border and blowing up tunnels.

In Israel's three-week military offensive against Hamas last winter, warplanes repeatedly bombed the border area, causing some damage, but failing to close down the tunnels.

Since Israel's withdrawal from Gaza in 2005, Hamas is believed to have stepped up its weapons imports considerably. The underground passages also pose a threat to Egypt, which is increasingly concerned about an Islamic militant regime on its doorstep.

The wall construction marks the highest profile attempt by Egypt to halt the smuggling and seems to have struck a nerve, judging by Hamas' angry protests.

Hamas officials portrayed Egypt as doing the bidding of Israel and the U.S. and even hinted at another border breach.

"I'm telling you, the people, they want to live and they want something to eat. They may do everything they can," Ehab Ghussein, a spokesman for Gaza's Interior Ministry, said Monday.

"But we don't hope to reach that point."
 
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"I'm telling you, the people, they want to live and they want something to eat. They may do everything they can," Ehab Ghussein, a spokesman for Gaza's Interior Ministry, said Monday.

"But we don't hope to reach that point."


This is a very true statement. If someone is hungry and there is food near by they WILL figure out a way to get it. Putting steel in the ground will stop nothing it might even help make the tunnels more safe. Dig tunnels + cutting torch = problem solved. They can use the steel they cut to brace the tunnels.

What would have been smarter is to place seismometers like those used for earthquake studies to detect digging. If a sensor is destroyed or tampered with you know it. A piece of steel in the ground only gives a false sense of security since it may look like a wall above ground, but have a tunnel beneath it.
 

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It would be nice if every American could experience life as a Palestinian for a few years.
 

EagleKeeper

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It would be nice if every American could experience life as a Palestinian for a few years.
If we elect leadership that does not care for the welfare of the country; that will happen
 

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It would be nice if every American could experience life as a Palestinian for a few years.
What's the over/under on the number of days/hours before each of those American visitors is kidnapped? Raped? Beheaded? Just wondering...
 

Zebo

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You don't think the 4 billion we kick down to Egypt each year has no strings, right?
 

Zebo

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It would be nice if every American could experience life as a Palestinian for a few years.

I agree we need in the west to be shown acid thrown in the faces of women, stoning to death, honour killings, gays being killed, sharia- then when the Americans see the horror that will come in the event of a full Islamic takeover, they may change their views of the ROP.
 

Hacp

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We could learn from these Egyptians. we need a long ass steel wall protecting our mexican border.
 

Pepsei

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We could learn from these Egyptians. we need a long ass steel wall protecting our mexican border.

Remember this? "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!!"

Well, I believe the money is better spent on bullets for shoot to kill rather than a wall that doesn't work. a wall will only serve to keep people law abiding citizens in or out.
 

Jaskalas

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Remember this? "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!!"

Well, I believe the money is better spent on bullets for shoot to kill rather than a wall that doesn't work. a wall will only serve to keep people law abiding citizens in or out.

I agree with Hacp, we need our own wall.
 
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I agree we need in the west to be shown acid thrown in the faces of women, stoning to death, honour killings, gays being killed, sharia- then when the Americans see the horror that will come in the event of a full Islamic takeover, they may change their views of the ROP.

You do realise that the things you are talking about are Hindu practices, not Islamic practices? Especially the acid thing is pretty much exclusive to Indian Hindus.

We have that problem with Indians in the UK and every single honor killing since i can remember has been because of Hinduisms code of honor (the caste system for you not so very wise of what goes on outside of yeehaw killinthemmuslimstown).

The very least you could do would be to at least understand the basics but then again, why would you care about information when you can just ramble on and on all day long about how much you hate Muslims?
 

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You do realise that the things you are talking about are Hindu practices, not Islamic practices? Especially the acid thing is pretty much exclusive to Indian Hindus.

We have that problem with Indians in the UK and every single honor killing since i can remember has been because of Hinduisms code of honor (the caste system for you not so very wise of what goes on outside of yeehaw killinthemmuslimstown).

The very least you could do would be to at least understand the basics but then again, why would you care about information when you can just ramble on and on all day long about how much you hate Muslims?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_throwing

There is mention in the above article of acid attacks with regard to enforcing the caste system in India, but there are Islamic examples as well: http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/02/19/acid.attack.victim/

This doesn't look like a religious thing, but more a cultural thing.
 

JEDIYoda

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Actually he wants you to try to use your empathy and understand the underlying causes for terrorism but that is completely lost on you and those like you.

So just to clarify things..you are implying thye the underlying cause of terroriswm is because poverty causes terrorism???

Another misunderstander of Islam. Or not. And while we're at it, Dr. Khalil Abu-Mulal al-Balawi, debunks the "poverty causes terrorism" BS..................
 

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You do realise that the things you are talking about are Hindu practices, not Islamic practices? Especially the acid thing is pretty much exclusive to Indian Hindus.

We have that problem with Indians in the UK and every single honor killing since i can remember has been because of Hinduisms code of honor (the caste system for you not so very wise of what goes on outside of yeehaw killinthemmuslimstown).

The very least you could do would be to at least understand the basics but then again, why would you care about information when you can just ramble on and on all day long about how much you hate Muslims?
You're misinformed. Way more predominate in Islamic countries...Warning Graphic

http://www.gendercide.org/case_honour.html
http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/asia/164400/pakistan-acid-attack-victims-pin-hope-on-new-laws
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinio...dare-we-stand-up-for-muslim-women-969631.html

Google gets millions of hits on Islam acid throwing....It doesnt matter how many thousands I post does it, because no matter how much violence that sec commits you'll excuse it away with great intellectual acrobatics claim all peoples and all religions equal.
 

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You do realise that the things you are talking about are Hindu practices, not Islamic practices? Especially the acid thing is pretty much exclusive to Indian Hindus.

We have that problem with Indians in the UK and every single honor killing since i can remember has been because of Hinduisms code of honor (the caste system for you not so very wise of what goes on outside of yeehaw killinthemmuslimstown).

The very least you could do would be to at least understand the basics but then again, why would you care about information when you can just ramble on and on all day long about how much you hate Muslims?

A little off topic, but why do you even care what people in the US think? I would think that living in a country that's committed cultural suicide, you'd have a great deal more to worry about than what a bunch of yanks think about the Middle East.
It's like you're standing on the stern of the Titanic shouting navigation instructions at other ships.

Edit: That sounds far more hostile than I intended, but the basic question stands.
 
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Craig234

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I agree we need in the west to be shown acid thrown in the faces of women, stoning to death, honour killings, gays being killed, sharia- then when the Americans see the horror that will come in the event of a full Islamic takeover, they may change their views of the ROP.

There are some horrific practices that take place among some Muslim fundamentalists.

Let's see what we can do about that.

Question for you:

Our massive committment to the security guarantee of the House of Saud ruling Saudi Arabia is for:

A. Furthering the cause of reducing Islamic fundamnetalists' abuses in your post

B. Our access to oil
 

Craig234

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A little off topic, but why do you even care what people in the US think? I would think that living in a country that's committed cultural suicide, you'd have a great deal more to worry about than what a bunch of yanks think about the Middle East.
It's like you're standing on the stern of the Titanic shouting navigation instructions at other ships.

Edit: That sounds far more hostile than I intended, but the basic question stands.

Why shouldn't anyone care what the most powerful nation in the Middle East and the donnant outside nation influencing the Middle East has its tax-paying voting citizens thinking?