Egypt protest broke out in violence

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piasabird

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I think there is a difference between freedom and anarchy.

It seems like Muslims need to be ruled over with an iron fist. That is all they understand or respect.

What would you call killing people who dont agree with you?
 

iGas

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I think there is a difference between freedom and anarchy.

It seems like Muslims need to be ruled over with an iron fist. That is all they understand or respect.

What would you call killing people who dont agree with you?
That is a poor observation & comment.

Most Muslim live in third world countries where the economy is weak and lacks of opportunities, hence the struggle for a better life tend to create frictions.

While fat American have everything that they can imagine and never have to look beyond their noses for food complaints daily how hard life is judge those poor people that they never met or experience their living condition.

The majority of the Muslim live in countries that have a large population of people who make less than $2 a day according to the International Energy Agency & World Health Organization.

The majority of Asian countries and South America aren't Muslim majority countries and they seems to be rule by iron fists.

There are fundies in every countries that call for death on those that offends them, and the US is full of that. They constantly call for bombs on those that disagree with their ideal, and to make matter worst the US admin would carry out those threats and kill tens of thousands....millions.
 
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OBLAMA2009

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all this talk about wanting freedom and democracy is for western consumption. the militants protesting in egypt dont want that, they want an islamic country that will attack the zionist entity. it looks like mubarek is going to survive, thank god, we need someone to keep the egyptian people down or theyll blow the world up
 
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Narmer

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all this talk about wanting freedom and democracy is for western consumption. the militants protesting in egypt dont want that, they want an islamic country that will attack the zionist entity. it looks like mubarek is going to survive, thank god, we need someone to keep the egyptian people down or theyll blow the world up
Retard.
 

JEDIYoda

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So only the Muslim radicals are allowed to voice their opinion in the street?

Got it.

Anyways, things always break out into violence when two opposing sides meet that have such difference views.

My God, I find myself agreeing more and more with your point of view concerning this topic~~~!!!
 

peonyu

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That is a poor observation & comment.

Most Muslim live in third world countries where the economy is weak and lacks of opportunities, hence the struggle for a better life tend to create frictions.

While fat American have everything that they can imagine and never have to look beyond their noses for food complaints daily how hard life is judge those poor people that they never met or experience their living condition.

The majority of the Muslim live in countries that have a large population of people who make less than $2 a day according to the International Energy Agency & World Health Organization.

The majority of Asian countries and South America aren't Muslim majority countries and they seems to be rule by iron fists.

There are fundies in every countries that call for death on those that offends them, and the US is full of that. They constantly call for bombs on those that disagree with their ideal, and to make matter worst the US admin would carry out those threats and kill tens of thousands....millions.


Lol, all of the material wealth that America has was earned. This continent didnt have farms, developed cities and a strong infrastructure out of the blue. That came with the [sarcasm] evil European white people who built it all, and everyone from the third world wants to move here. Perhaps if Muslims would cast off their zealots/imans and immitate the West society wise [which is proven to work, afterall every first world country with the single exception of Japan is western] their future would not look so hopeless. And for what it matters, Europe's living standards were close to the same as the Muslim world's during the middle ages, complete with zealot rule from Priests and the Pope. Difference is obviously, Europeans advanced out of that rut 500 years ago while Muslims seem to be kicking and screaming to remain there.

Africa and Latin America are there own special cases...But there are pearls there if you look hard enough. Southern Brazil and Argentina are first world living standard wise. Africa, who knows whats wrong there.
 
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actuarial

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Difference is obviously, Europeans advanced out of that rut 500 years ago while Muslims seem to be kicking and screaming to remain there.

Africa and Latin America are there own special cases...But there are pearls there if you look hard enough. Southern Brazil and Argentina are first world living standard wise. Africa, who knows whats wrong there.

Why is 'Muslim' the only religion you cite, while all others are places? You try to skirt the issue by calling Africa and Latin America 'their own special cases'. So why are they so special?

EVERY religion in the world can be found as the primary religion in a non first world country with poor living standards. And EVERY religion in the world you can find places where it is practiced in peace.

Specific religions have nothing to do with anything. The only difference is their own specific flair for being bastards.
 

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Yeah, yeah, look at the militant fundamentalist Muslims who want to establish a fundamentalist Islamic rule !










I'm Egyptian and I'm really appalled by those who want us to remain under the rule of dictators just to preserve their interests and try to justify that by saying that we are some kind of lowly creatures that don't deserve or are not fit for democracy. I'm a Muslim and I'm sick of those who hate us just because of our religion and want us to remain backward and governed by "iron fist".

The demands of the protesters are clear and are of secular nature, they want the dictator to step down and want an end to the despotic regime, they want the constitution that the dictator has tailored to suit his needs to be amended to allow for fair democratic elections and put a two term limit on presidency and insure civil and political freedoms.
 

OBLAMA2009

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Yeah, yeah, look at the militant fundamentalist Muslims who want to establish a fundamentalist Islamic rule !










I'm Egyptian and I'm really appalled by those who want us to remain under the rule of dictators just to preserve their interests and try to justify that by saying that we are some kind of lowly creatures that don't deserve or are not fit for democracy. I'm a Muslim and I'm sick of those who hate us just because of our religion and want us to remain backward and governed by "iron fist".

The demands of the protesters are clear and are of secular nature, they want the dictator to step down and want an end to the despotic regime, they want the constitution that the dictator has tailored to suit his needs to be amended to allow for fair democratic elections and put a two term limit on presidency and insure civil and political freedoms.

that white sign being held up by the militants in that first photo says "allahu akbar, death to america and the zionist entity!"
 

JEDIYoda

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The demands of the protesters are clear and are of secular nature

That may be very true...but there is no such thing as a separation of church and state in a predominately Muslim culture.....no matter the appearance.
 
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The looting and stuff is being done by Mubarak's thugs. You know, the combination of police and criminals released if they promised to create chaos.

Just like the demonstrations were peaceful until the thugs attacked, Mubarak clearly shows he has no morals and is a dictator which should be removed as soon as possible.

'Freedom' means being free of Mubarak and his criminals to the people demonstrating there. Unfortunately those that benefitted from him being in power (both in Egypt and in other countries) still support his dictatorship.

Just so you know it, the reporters that have been attacked have been attacked by civilian Islamic groups when trying to document what is going on there.

The looting is done by civilians, not police, not military and they are part of the demonstrators on the oppositions side, that is the way it is.

I am not against instituting a democracy in Egypt, but that is not what the Muslim Brotherhood wants, what they want is what the Mullahs in Iran got when the same thing happened there, power and the institution of sharia law that makes sure the real leaders (the religious leaders) will forever retain all of the power.

While being for a democracy, we should support the secular opposition which is very small and wouldn't win an election if one was held today, we should do so only because it's the right thing to do.
 
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Yeah, yeah, look at the militant fundamentalist Muslims who want to establish a fundamentalist Islamic rule !










I'm Egyptian and I'm really appalled by those who want us to remain under the rule of dictators just to preserve their interests and try to justify that by saying that we are some kind of lowly creatures that don't deserve or are not fit for democracy. I'm a Muslim and I'm sick of those who hate us just because of our religion and want us to remain backward and governed by "iron fist".

The demands of the protesters are clear and are of secular nature, they want the dictator to step down and want an end to the despotic regime, they want the constitution that the dictator has tailored to suit his needs to be amended to allow for fair democratic elections and put a two term limit on presidency and insure civil and political freedoms.

Is the opposition secular? Absolutely not.

Check out who the governmet is negotiating with, the opposing majority party, the Muslim Brotherhood, if you are going to claim that they are not for instituting Sharia law and make Egypt a theocracy a la Iran then you have no idea what the Muslim Brotherhood stands for.

Be careful what you wish for.
 

AshPhoenix

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Just so you know it, the reporters that have been attacked have been attacked by civilian Islamic groups when trying to document what is going on there.

The looting is done by civilians, not police, not military and they are part of the demonstrators on the oppositions side, that is the way it is.

What you are saying contradicts the reality. The reporters have been attacked by the regime's police and thugs, and here are different sources that prove it :

http://www.whatreallyhappened.org/content/bloody-reporter-describes-policy-attack-martial-law-egypt

http://www.wgnradio.com/la-fg-egypt-media-20110204,0,375677.story

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/feb/03/world/la-fg-egypt-media-20110204


Also the looting was done by the criminals that the regime let out of prisons to cause chaos and accuse the protesters of it and by some poor people from poor neighborhoods and slums who also took advantage of the situation. Here are videos of criminals admitting they were let out of prisons by the police, they are in Arabic :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Sd1ZhX7R6o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftYyOZWJW10



I am not against instituting a democracy in Egypt, but that is not what the Muslim Brotherhood wants, what they want is what the Mullahs in Iran got when the same thing happened there, power and the institution of sharia law that makes sure the real leaders (the religious leaders) will forever retain all of the power.

While being for a democracy, we should support the secular opposition which is very small and wouldn't win an election if one was held today, we should do so only because it's the right thing to do.
Again what you are saying is not true, if only the Muslim population of Egypt would vote in elections the Muslim Brotherhood wouldn't win, not to mention the Egyptian Christian population who of course would not vote for them.
 

JEDIYoda

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Again what you are saying is not true, if only the Muslim population of Egypt would vote in elections the Muslim Brotherhood wouldn't win, not to mention the Egyptian Christian population who of course would not vote for them.

You are a Muslim extremist, who is in denial -- only in the opposite direction!!
 
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What you are saying contradicts the reality. The reporters have been attacked by the regime's police and thugs, and here are different sources that prove it

Civilian mobs is what they themselves have stated, one of them had to be moved out of the hospital because it wasn't safe, civilian mobs were attacking the patients in there.

Again what you are saying is not true, if only the Muslim population of Egypt would vote in elections the Muslim Brotherhood wouldn't win, not to mention the Egyptian Christian population who of course would not vote for them.

The only opposition party IS the Muslim Brotherhood, they are the ones behind the protests, they are the ones who have people speaking to supporters, they are the only ones that have negotiations with the current government because it's the only real opposition party there is.

Don't think i wouldn't support another realistic opposition party though, i most definently would, Mubarak is a corrupt dictator that should be hung in the town square but there is no alternative opposition to the Muslim Brotherhood.

I have a very clear understanding of what is happening right now, perhaps more clear than most who rely on the propaganda on their respective side.
 

Jaskalas

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all this talk about wanting freedom and democracy is for western consumption. the militants protesting in egypt dont want that, they want an islamic country that will attack the zionist entity. it looks like mubarek is going to survive, thank god, we need someone to keep the egyptian people down or theyll blow the world up

Like the Iranians before them?
 

AshPhoenix

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Is the opposition secular? Absolutely not.

Check out who the governmet is negotiating with, the opposing majority party, the Muslim Brotherhood, if you are going to claim that they are not for instituting Sharia law and make Egypt a theocracy a la Iran then you have no idea what the Muslim Brotherhood stands for.

Be careful what you wish for.

You're confusing the "opposition" with the demonstrators. The "negotiations" that the regime held is a game to circumvent the demands of the demonstrators. The regime made these negotiations with some puppet "opposition" parties and the Muslim Brotherhood who did not lead the demonstrations and do not represent the demonstrators and don't have the right to negotiate on behalf of them.

The demonstrators have made it clear that they have nothing to do with these so called negotiations and that they won't negotiate anything with the government before Mubarak steps down.
 

AshPhoenix

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Civilian mobs is what they themselves have stated, one of them had to be moved out of the hospital because it wasn't safe, civilian mobs were attacking the patients in there.
If you listened to the video in the first link you'll find that the reporter said that he was attacked by security forces in plain clothes, the regime always uses this dirty trick, also Mubarak's hired thugs of course wear civilian clothes.


The only opposition party IS the Muslim Brotherhood, they are the ones behind the protests, they are the ones who have people speaking to supporters, they are the only ones that have negotiations with the current government because it's the only real opposition party there is.
Not true, the Muslim Brotherhood is not behind the protests and declared before 25th of January that they will not participate in the demonstrations. The groups behind the protests are secular groups formed mostly of youth like the "6th of April Movement", "The National Society for Change", "We are All Khalid Said", and others.

I explained in my previous post that the demonstrators declared that they have nothing to do with these negotiations.

Don't think i wouldn't support another realistic opposition party though, i most definently would, Mubarak is a corrupt dictator that should be hung in the town square but there is no alternative opposition to the Muslim Brotherhood.

I have a very clear understanding of what is happening right now, perhaps more clear than most who rely on the propaganda on their respective side.
You obviously don't know what is really going on in Egypt.
 
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bfdd

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Lol, all of the material wealth that America has was earned. This continent didnt have farms, developed cities and a strong infrastructure out of the blue. That came with the [sarcasm] evil European white people who built it all, and everyone from the third world wants to move here. Perhaps if Muslims would cast off their zealots/imans and immitate the West society wise [which is proven to work, afterall every first world country with the single exception of Japan is western] their future would not look so hopeless. And for what it matters, Europe's living standards were close to the same as the Muslim world's during the middle ages, complete with zealot rule from Priests and the Pope. Difference is obviously, Europeans advanced out of that rut 500 years ago while Muslims seem to be kicking and screaming to remain there.

Africa and Latin America are there own special cases...But there are pearls there if you look hard enough. Southern Brazil and Argentina are first world living standard wise. Africa, who knows whats wrong there.
Japan is 1st world because of Western principles. China is blowing up because of Western principles. They have integrated different things into their cultures, they are no longer truly Eastern nations. IMO the whole West vs East thing is so over played now. Maybe like 30+ years ago it might have been valid, now it's just successful nations vs those stuck in the past and unsuccessful nations.