Egypt, Obama better not even consider it

[Steeplerot]

Edit: I can only imagine you won't see this post as I'm probably on your "omg he posts truths I can't handle" list.

More like filed away into the folder of internet mises/koch flunkies with a flair for bombastic assumptions and arrogance. Welcome to the list also..what a douchebag.

 

[Red Dawn]

Perhaps you're correct, Obama isn't Cheney, he's worse.

That's not possible

 

[Modelworks]

Another idiot so convinced the worse is going to happen. All you are doing is speculating!! Quit crying WOLF!!!

I was an idiot for saying derivatives are a bad idea years ago too.

 

[Modelworks]

Modelworks

Almost hard to believe that you think such a thing is in the realm of possibility.

You're aware that Bush and Cheney and Rummy are gone right?

I think I need to clear up what I meant . I do not think Obama will announce sending thousands of troops. I do think it is possible for something like this though to get out of hand quickly and is why we should stay completely out of it. It always starts with the small things and then builds to something bigger and then you hear everyone saying things like 'who would have guessed', 'we had no idea' . We send people to help negotiations, something goes wrong, and the whole thing snowballs into a pile of crap. Since we were involved we can't just walk away with the world looking and it becomes our problem .

 

[peonyu]

Yea like becoming a "Democracy" will solve Egypt's problems...And really, where are the Women at in the pictures. Are Women going to get Suffrage over there and become equals. What about religious minorities, right now Islam is the state religion of Egypt and to even build a church requires the President's signature [Mosques require no permits, nothing is required to build a mosque]. Is that going to be fixed.

Or are we talking about a Iraq-Afghani style Democracy...Which is a thinly veiled version of Islamic government. Islam is the state religion of Afghanistan and Iraq despite our supposed Democratic Governments there. And women are still garbage in those countries.

Freedom of Religion should be mandatory to be considered a Democracy...Without that and equality, basically nothing has changed in those countries other than the words 'we are a Democracy', when they really are a Democracy only in the sense that they have elections [big deal, since those are often rigged].

And Egypt's internal problems...Lets see. Mass unemployment. That is not Mubarak's fault. Egypt's population has quadrupled in 30 years. That is ALOT of young people to try and employ, and their population is set to double in 30 years. So that is another 40 million young men to employ ontop of what is unemployed now...So Egypt, GL. A condom would do more for Egypt than Democracy at this rate.

 

[Moonbeam]

Rome was saved the the cackling of it's geese.

 

[Anarchist420]

That's not possible

Yes it is. Bamacre is always right.

 

[Anarchist420]

There is much exploitation of situations like this, but Obama is not Cheney, today's Democrats are not today's Republicans, and I don't think the US will do any such thing.

I wouldn't put it past either party in the past, but just as we've stopping using assassination, terrorism etc. against any left-wing Latin American leader, it changed.

At least until Jan 20, 2013.

Democrats share the long history of ruthless policies in the past, but for a veriety of reasons, that happens less now. However, other nations can do it, too.

The only person in place to take power from Mubarak looks like a pretty bad figure, unfortunately, but there seems to be a vacuum, and a big chance for a bad power grab.

Do you support democracy - or do you support democracy when it benefits you, and are happy to deny other people's rights if it doesn't?

(Cue the righties claiming I'm excusing Obama's problematic polices).

If you're a leftist, then why do you support the Corporatist Democratic Party?

 

[Red Dawn]

Yes it is. Bamacre is always right.

I'm sure he likes the fact that a credible person such as yourself would make such an outlandish statement.

 

[sandorski]

Yea like becoming a "Democracy" will solve Egypt's problems...And really, where are the Women at in the pictures. Are Women going to get Suffrage over there and become equals. What about religious minorities, right now Islam is the state religion of Egypt and to even build a church requires the President's signature [Mosques require no permits, nothing is required to build a mosque]. Is that going to be fixed.

Or are we talking about a Iraq-Afghani style Democracy...Which is a thinly veiled version of Islamic government. Islam is the state religion of Afghanistan and Iraq despite our supposed Democratic Governments there. And women are still garbage in those countries.

Freedom of Religion should be mandatory to be considered a Democracy...Without that and equality, basically nothing has changed in those countries other than the words 'we are a Democracy', when they really are a Democracy only in the sense that they have elections [big deal, since those are often rigged].

And Egypt's internal problems...Lets see. Mass unemployment. That is not Mubarak's fault. Egypt's population has quadrupled in 30 years. That is ALOT of young people to try and employ, and their population is set to double in 30 years. So that is another 40 million young men to employ ontop of what is unemployed now...So Egypt, GL. A condom would do more for Egypt than Democracy at this rate.

I have seen lots of women in the pics of protesters. :shrug:

 

[TareX]

Your paranoia is just sad and amazing
For somebody who claims to know what is transpiring in Egypt it is quite apparent that you know jack shit or you wouldn`t be looking for some sinister plot being hatched by OBama!

This one statement proves that you don`t know squat regardless of how many friends and relatives you claim to have in Egypt-- HINT: The US's biggest concern is how to KEEP Mubarak, not remove him. -- that is complete and total BS!!

There is noway the United States would ever support Mubarek remaining in power....but thats ok.......JohnOfSheffield said this about you and every word is true -- People who know nothing will accept whatever they want to believe as truth, the biggest driving force of all is fear, there isn't a leader of a nation in the world that doesn't know that and very few who don't use that knowledge.

It's commonly known as fear tactics and it can and has been used to create a separate reality that keeps the people so scared that they will accept anything as long as the big bad boogeyman goes away. It's a great way to psychologically torture an entire population, like "do you want the next evidence to be a mushroom cloud over NYC?". You'll comply with anything if you are just scared enough.

(sigh)

Hey Village Idiot. You still don't get it -I'm not surprised.

Anyway, "foreign intrusion" is being depicted -by Egyptian media- as the reason driving this uprising. The demonstrators are losing support because they are being described as traitors who want to overthrow Mubarak -the national hero- for foreign agendas' sake. Mubarak's speech was emotional and had many of the older generation Egyptians crying. Many younger Egyptians -who've also idolized him for years- are starting to sway towards him, asking that he stay in power till the end of his presidential period and have a constitutional, honorable exit. Unfortunately, this wouldn't end the regime, and he wouldn't be prosecuted (which he should)

There is an Egyptian/Arabic saying that says, "ارحموا عزيز قوم ذل" which means "Have mercy on a man of wealth who's been humbled", and that's basically what many are starting to repeat. They are accusing people outside Egypt for inflaming the situation, and giving this uprising a "foreign" nature.

When Obama shows up right after this speech and asks Mubarak to make a transition of power NOW, that only reinforces the Egyptian government's propaganda, which in turn withdraws support for calls to end the regime now, which keeps the regime alive even after Mubarak leaves -which is exactly what the US wanted for the past +30 years.

 

[bamacre]

More like filed away into the folder of internet mises/koch flunkies with a flair for bombastic assumptions and arrogance. Welcome to the list also..what a douchebag.

Did you just lump Mises and Koch into one group? That's like lumping Krugman together with Stalin.

 

[bamacre]

That's not possible

Hell, I wouldn't think so either, nor would civil liberties groups, but then Obama started talking about Indefinite Detention, and here we are.

 

[bamacre]

I'm sure he likes the fact that a credible person such as yourself would make such an outlandish statement.

I'm flattered to say the least.

 

[nyker96]

If the next thing I hear is that we need to send some troops to help with that transition I am going to make my own signs and take to the streets. Enough with the US is the worlds police mantra.

I can hear the speech now "We are sending these troops not to fight but to ensure a peaceful transition in a way that is best for the people of Egypt and for the world as a whole" or some such BS.

why not, I say sent the troops, take the oil, we need oil you know. with egypt and iraq under our control, we can have all the oil we need for a long time!