Egypt, Obama better not even consider it

[Modelworks]

Listening to the news today I started hearing things I did not like.

Mubarak would consider stepping down but is worried that if he did anarchy would result.
US engaging in talks about alternatives.
Obama saying that the transition needs be done in an assuredly peaceful way.

If the next thing I hear is that we need to send some troops to help with that transition I am going to make my own signs and take to the streets. Enough with the US is the worlds police mantra.

I can hear the speech now "We are sending these troops not to fight but to ensure a peaceful transition in a way that is best for the people of Egypt and for the world as a whole" or some such BS.

 

[Infohawk]

Why are you worrying about such improbable things? It's not going to happen.

 

[Craig234]

Listening to the news today I started hearing things I did not like.




If the next thing I hear is that we need to send some troops to help with that transition I am going to make my own signs and take to the streets. Enough with the US is the worlds police mantra.

I can hear the speech now "We are sending these troops not to fight but to ensure a peaceful transition in a way that is best for the people of Egypt and for the world as a whole" or some such BS.

There is much exploitation of situations like this, but Obama is not Cheney, today's Democrats are not today's Republicans, and I don't think the US will do any such thing.

I wouldn't put it past either party in the past, but just as we've stopping using assassination, terrorism etc. against any left-wing Latin American leader, it changed.

At least until Jan 20, 2013.

Democrats share the long history of ruthless policies in the past, but for a veriety of reasons, that happens less now. However, other nations can do it, too.

The only person in place to take power from Mubarak looks like a pretty bad figure, unfortunately, but there seems to be a vacuum, and a big chance for a bad power grab.

Do you support democracy - or do you support democracy when it benefits you, and are happy to deny other people's rights if it doesn't?

(Cue the righties claiming I'm excusing Obama's problematic polices).

 

[Modelworks]

Why are you worrying about such improbable things? It's not going to happen.

Because that is just how things start. They start by us sending representatives, presidents making speeches of how we will not stand for our press being harmed, and talking of something by someone needing to be done to control the process.

 

[Modelworks]

Do you support democracy - or do you support democracy when it benefits you, and are happy to deny other people's rights if it doesn't?

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If the people want it, let THEM obtain it. You can't give it to anyone.

 

[sunzt]

he could end up having NATO send troops or even... the UN (haha).

 

[feralkid]

he could end up having NATO send troops or even... the UN (haha).

Quick to the worry-cave!

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Don't worry JohnOfSheffield and the mighty SAS will come to the rescue.

 

[Lemon law]

The first thing to somewhat State is that no one should believe a damn thing Mubarak says. Like the Shah of Iran, Mubarak got totally blindsided by his meltdown. For 31 years all his corruption and wickedness had been working like a swiss watch, and now whatever Mubarak tries, like Humpty Dumpty, no one in Egypt believes anything he says.

But still without any unifying force in Egypt, there is a danger of economic collapse and anarchy. Obama may have some credibility on recommending such a transitional plan, and right now its job one get rid of Hosni. Next get a transitional government with the Egyptian army and perhaps a flawed VP to hold prompt elections. And that is the current Obama plan. But still, Obama can only propose the plan, its only the Egyptian people who have to have the final say.

 

[bfdd]

We should stay completely out of this until the dust settles. We will deal with the aftermath, if it is friendly to us we will be friendly back, if hostile we will be hostile. There is absolutely no reason for the USA step in at any part of this revolution.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Listening to the news today I started hearing things I did not like.




If the next thing I hear is that we need to send some troops to help with that transition I am going to make my own signs and take to the streets. Enough with the US is the worlds police mantra.

I can hear the speech now "We are sending these troops not to fight but to ensure a peaceful transition in a way that is best for the people of Egypt and for the world as a whole" or some such BS.

You worry too much, it's not going to happen.

 

[Thump553]

OP: learn a little something about Eygpt before panicing and going off on Obama. Eygpt has a large, strong military that is closely tied with the US-many of their officers were trained here. Further, after the peace treaty was signed with Israel, Eygpt didn't want to reduce its large army and have lots of unemployed young men, so the army branched out into the economy. The army runs a lot of Eygpt's economy now and the officers have stock in those ventures. A stable Eygpt with a hummiing economy is 100% in the interests of the military and its officers (in a way it would be nice if every country did this, including the US).

So your unfounded concerns about US troops acting as peace keepers in Eygpt is not really anything to worry about.

 

[Moonbeam]

All Chicken Little could hear, regardless what the words were, is that the sky is falling. Crazy people see craziness everywhere. It's what makes them crazy.

 

[TareX]

I'm starting to believe Obama's lovely pro-protesters speeches are in fact part of Mubarak's plan to reinforce the whole "التدخل الخارجى" (foreign intrusion) propaganda which Mubarak's regime has been repeating over and over again in Egyptian media as the cause of the revolution. HINT: The US's biggest concern is how to KEEP Mubarak, not remove him.

I mean Mubarak makes a very emotional speech "I will live and die here!" saying he won't leave while talking about foreign intrusion driving the protesters, and MINUTES after that Obama makes a speech demanding that Mubarak makes an immediate transition of power??? Gee.... it's either Obama enjoys looking as a fool, or the US knows exactly how to draw public support to Mubarak's regime.

And by the way, it's working; many pro-Mubaraks have fallen into the "foreign intrusion" propaganda.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

I'm starting to believe Obama's lovely pro-protesters speeches are in fact part of Mubarak's plan to reinforce the whole "التدخل الخارجى" (foreign intrusion) propaganda which Mubarak's regime has been repeating over and over again in Egyptian media as the cause of the revolution. HINT: The US's biggest concern is how to KEEP Mubarak, not remove him.

I mean Mubarak makes a very emotional speech "I will live and die here!" saying he won't leave while talking about foreign intrusion driving the protesters, and MINUTES after that Obama makes a speech demanding that Mubarak makes an immediate transition of power??? Gee.... it's either Obama enjoys looking as a fool, or the US knows exactly how to draw public support to Mubarak's regime.

And by the way, it's working; many pro-Mubaraks have fallen into the "foreign intrusion" propaganda.

People who know nothing will accept whatever they want to believe as truth, the biggest driving force of all is fear, there isn't a leader of a nation in the world that doesn't know that and very few who don't use that knowledge.

It's commonly known as fear tactics and it can and has been used to create a separate reality that keeps the people so scared that they will accept anything as long as the big bad boogeyman goes away. It's a great way to psychologically torture an entire population, like "do you want the next evidence to be a mushroom cloud over NYC?". You'll comply with anything if you are just scared enough.

 

[jackschmittusa]

Modelworks

Almost hard to believe that you think such a thing is in the realm of possibility.

You're aware that Bush and Cheney and Rummy are gone right?

 

[Darwin333]

People who know nothing will accept whatever they want to believe as truth, the biggest driving force of all is fear, there isn't a leader of a nation in the world that doesn't know that and very few who don't use that knowledge.

It's commonly known as fear tactics and it can and has been used to create a separate reality that keeps the people so scared that they will accept anything as long as the big bad boogeyman goes away. It's a great way to psychologically torture an entire population, like "do you want the next evidence to be a mushroom cloud over NYC?". You'll comply with anything if you are just scared enough.

Hunger is just as good of, if not a better, motivator and it also playing a part.

 

[JEDIYoda]

If the next thing I hear is that we need to send some troops to help with that transition I am going to make my own signs and take to the streets. Enough with the US is the worlds police mantra.

I can hear the speech now "We are sending these troops not to fight but to ensure a peaceful transition in a way that is best for the people of Egypt and for the world as a whole" or some such BS.

Another idiot so convinced the worse is going to happen. All you are doing is speculating!! Quit crying WOLF!!!

 

[JEDIYoda]

I'm starting to believe

Do we care what you are starting to believe????
78 posts and all you have shown is that you know nothing about what is happening!

People who know nothing will accept whatever they want to believe as truth, the biggest driving force of all is fear, there isn't a leader of a nation in the world that doesn't know that and very few who don't use that knowledge. -- speaking about you TareX......earth to TareX...

 

[dawp]

Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
You step out of line, the man come and take you away

 

[TareX]

Do we care what you are starting to believe????
78 posts and all you have shown is that you know nothing about what is happening!

People who know nothing will accept whatever they want to believe as truth, the biggest driving force of all is fear, there isn't a leader of a nation in the world that doesn't know that and very few who don't use that knowledge. -- speaking about you TareX......earth to TareX...

Uh... what?

What's happening? Please tell me something I didn't know from my friends sleeping in Tahrir square, or my parents who live in front of the presidential palace, or the constant stream of news from +400 of my friends in Egypt have been posting.

What is it that I don't know about the situation?

I was pretty sure you're an idiot. But I didn't "know" it for a fact. Was that what I was missing? Well not anymore.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Uh... what?

What's happening? Please tell me something I didn't know from my friends sleeping in Tahrir square, or my parents who live in front of the presidential palace, or the constant stream of news from +400 of my friends in Egypt have been posting.

What is it that I don't know about the situation?

I was pretty sure you're an idiot. But I didn't "know" it for a fact. Was that what I was missing? Well not anymore.

Your paranoia is just sad and amazing -- I'm starting to believe Obama's lovely pro-protesters speeches are in fact part of Mubarak's plan to reinforce the whole "التدخل الخارجى" (foreign intrusion) propaganda which Mubarak's regime has been repeating over and over again in Egyptian media as the cause of the revolution. HINT: The US's biggest concern is how to KEEP Mubarak, not remove him.

I mean Mubarak makes a very emotional speech "I will live and die here!" saying he won't leave while talking about foreign intrusion driving the protesters, and MINUTES after that Obama makes a speech demanding that Mubarak makes an immediate transition of power??? Gee.... it's either Obama enjoys looking as a fool, or the US knows exactly how to draw public support to Mubarak's regime.

And by the way, it's working; many pro-Mubaraks have fallen into the "foreign intrusion" propaganda.

For somebody who claims to know what is transpiring in Egypt it is quite apparent that you know jack shit or you wouldn`t be looking for some sinister plot being hatched by OBama!

This one statement proves that you don`t know squat regardless of how many friends and relatives you claim to have in Egypt-- HINT: The US's biggest concern is how to KEEP Mubarak, not remove him. -- that is complete and total BS!!

There is noway the United States would ever support Mubarek remaining in power....but thats ok.......JohnOfSheffield said this about you and every word is true -- People who know nothing will accept whatever they want to believe as truth, the biggest driving force of all is fear, there isn't a leader of a nation in the world that doesn't know that and very few who don't use that knowledge.

It's commonly known as fear tactics and it can and has been used to create a separate reality that keeps the people so scared that they will accept anything as long as the big bad boogeyman goes away. It's a great way to psychologically torture an entire population, like "do you want the next evidence to be a mushroom cloud over NYC?". You'll comply with anything if you are just scared enough.

 

[piasabird]

Actually using freedom of speech we may be able to send them a message of what the world thinks. The problem is that a lot of the world knows little about egypt. It is kind of wierd to see a protest where the police and military are standing around like idiots. It is like the blind is leading the blind.

So even all the press just stand around saying they dont know if this is a bad or a good thing.

 

[bamacre]

There is much exploitation of situations like this, but Obama is not Cheney, today's Democrats are not today's Republicans, and I don't think the US will do any such thing.

Odd, because the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan continue, the war in Pakistan expands silently, and we hear things like this. Sorry, Craig, but you can't separate yourself as a Progressive when you continually defend the rest of the Democratic party. Perhaps you're correct, Obama isn't Cheney, he's worse.

Edit: I can only imagine you won't see this post as I'm probably on your "omg he posts truths I can't handle" list.

 

[2Xtreme21]

Well a link hasn't been made between Mubarak and 9/11 yet, so I think we're ok.