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- Oct 30, 2000
I beg to differ LL----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The gas deal something I learned from an Egyptian poster on this forum, as something in a long list of issues the Average Egyptian had with Mubarak.
So EK, you are welcome to explore the back post on P&N a little more than a year ago, as for me, I am not going to bother doing endless research to correct your many areas of factual ignorance.
You have been continually shown to be factually ignorant and ideology accurate.
You made the statement; back it up.
There are very few threads on Egypt and Israel that I do not monitor over the past 7 years.
An issue that the average Egyptian may have an issue does not translate into the making of the Arab spring.
Everyone has issues with the government; those issues to not trigger a revolt.
If the below is what you are using as your crystal ball - I see nothing at all about it being a justification for the Arab Spring - other than in your own mind
It's all logical, and I see no problem with it happening, except for the "natural gas to Israel on the same terms" clause. Selling natural gas at 1/7th of its price is just ridiculous, and goes against any sort of common sense, regardless of who it's going to. Egypt isn't Sweden, and it's no longer ruled by a multi-billionaire who couldn't care less how much money the country's losing...So far most of the threads on Egyptian Revolution have concentrated on only Egypt. And as the largest Arab country in the mid-east, any changes in Egypt has to have a large impact on the larger mid-east.
But then again, much of the Egyptian revolt was first triggered in Tunisia. And now, in rapid order, it has resulted in today's resignation of Hosni Mubarak, a 30 year long standing military dictator who has too long looted the Egyptian people. A mouth ago, who would have ever thunk it, and now Hosni is history. Where the Egyptian revolution goes from here is speculation.
But as Bilbo Baggins in the Hobbit used to say, never leave live dragons out of your calculations. And while there have been a variety of threads on the Egyptian revolution regarding Egypt alone, there have, by in large, been no viable threads on its impact on the larger mid-east. And perhaps the Mid-east country most shaken is Israel itself.
And even if I consider the following link somewhat incorrect, its the best to be found on the NYT at this time.
And taking off my political combinatorial hat everyone everyone on P&N has a right to wear, and putting on the the hat of what is best for Egypt hat no non-Egyptian like me has a right to wear, I would like to speculate on what Egyptians need to say to the larger mid-east.
1. That Egypt has no interests in any military hostility toward any nation. And thus Egypt will maintain the peace treaty with Israel in place since 1979.
2. Egypt will not assimilate the Palestinian people, nor will it be a party to seeing any wholesale arming of Hamas or Fatah. Beyond that, Egypt will no longer be a party to enforcing any Israeli blockade in the embargo of Gaza economic goods imports or exports to the larger world. And rather than uni-laterally declaring that policy, Egypt will punt the question to the larger UN in terms of what Gaza imports Egypt should restrict. And allowing in international and Israeli inspectors to enforce the deal.
3. Egypt will continue to export natural gas to Israel on the same terms as before, and maintain its international responsibility on fair use of the Suez canal.
4. Beyond that, Egypt is only concerned about its own economic interests and its own internal political reforms.
Silly me, will it happen?
....we'll see though.