Effigy of Obama hanging in tree at Univ of Ky.

[cheezy321]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Isn't there already a thread on the Palin effigy?

Look at the flood of GOP crocodile tears in this thread :laugh:

It'll make me savor Nov. 5th even more.

God Damnit you are such a fucking moron. Its people like you that make me not want to vote for Obama. You are seriously making me consider throwing my vote away to Ron Paul.

This is about trying to raise one form of HATE over another. I don't believe in that, and there are multiple people in here who feel the same way I do.

Quit bringing politics into this you ignorant twat.

 

[buck]

Originally posted by: cheezy321

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Isn't there already a thread on the Palin effigy?

Look at the flood of GOP crocodile tears in this thread :laugh:

It'll make me savor Nov. 5th even more.

God Damnit you are such a fucking moron. Its people like you that make me not want to vote for Obama. You are seriously making me consider throwing my vote away to Ron Paul.

This is about trying to raise one form of HATE over another. I don't believe in that, and there are multiple people in here who feel the same way I do.

Quit bringing politics into this you ignorant twat.

You are an angry little fellow aren't you?

 

[Jschmuck2]

Originally posted by: cheezy321

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Isn't there already a thread on the Palin effigy?

Look at the flood of GOP crocodile tears in this thread :laugh:

It'll make me savor Nov. 5th even more.

God Damnit you are such a fucking moron. Its people like you that make me not want to vote for Obama. You are seriously making me consider throwing my vote away to Ron Paul.

This is about trying to raise one form of HATE over another. I don't believe in that, and there are multiple people in here who feel the same way I do.

Quit bringing politics into this you ignorant twat.

Great. You're wrong.

Next.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Originally posted by: Squisher
So we should base social norms, levels of distastefulness, morals, etc. on how the largest group feels it to be so?

I'm sorry, that just dosen't appeal to my logical nature and certainly opens up a can of worms when it comes to applying rules equally to everybody.

Wait... where do you think social norms come from now? Do you think they come from the smallest group? Of course not; the norm is dictated by the majority. That's the whole point of a society; to dictate what is and is not acceptable to the people of that group.

 

[Quasmo]

The irony is, that if it was a white guy, no one would give a shit.

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: LS8
...
If a person truly has accepted that all humans are indeed equal it shouldn't make a difference at all. Both acts are extremely offensive because they represent the execution of someone with differing views.

Anyone who views either event as more or less insulting or crude because of skin color is a racist.

this.

And it's not subjective, what's bolded above is FACT.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: cheezy321
Wait, wasn't there a Sarah Palin hung up on someones house for halloween? She was being hung by a noose as well.

Oh wait, Barack is black. Makes it MUCH MORE WORSE :roll:

because of the history behind it, yes; yes it is much worse.

Not many whites have family members and ancestors who were lynched. until you can claim to understand that kind of pain, then stfu.

 

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: LS8
...
If a person truly has accepted that all humans are indeed equal it shouldn't make a difference at all. Both acts are extremely offensive because they represent the execution of someone with differing views.

Anyone who views either event as more or less insulting or crude because of skin color is a racist.

this.

And it's not subjective, what's bolded above is FACT.

fact huh? lol, humm I remember a month out of every year while I was in school I learned about black people being hung, I don't ever remember hearing about a single white woman being hung.

You fail at proving FACTS. Your opinion means nothing, and if it was FACT we wouldn't have things called HATE CRIMES here in America.

If both had actually been hung for real, the one who hung Obama would have been brought up on different charges, so obviously there is a difference. The FACT you don't understand that doesn't change what a hate crime is...

When I heard about this I thought both were fucked up, but the Obama one definitely had more impact. Maybe because I just picked up the Without Sanctuary book a few months ago and it made an impact.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: cheezy321
Wait, wasn't there a Sarah Palin hung up on someones house for halloween? She was being hung by a noose as well.

Oh wait, Barack is black. Makes it MUCH MORE WORSE :roll:

Pretty much. Gotta love double standards.

Would it make you feel better if the president of the University of Kentucky apologized for the Palin effigy as well, then flew to CA to take it down?

exactly. and as I said earlier, until whitey can claim to understand the pain and anguish that many black families had suffered through lynchings, you have no business claiming "double standard."

I think if your family was put through that reality as early as 30 or 40 years ago, you'd be far more outraged about this than your current skin color "allows" you to be.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: LS8

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: cheezy321
Wait, wasn't there a Sarah Palin hung up on someones house for halloween? She was being hung by a noose as well.

Oh wait, Barack is black. Makes it MUCH MORE WORSE :roll:

Pretty much. Gotta love double standards.

The one of Sarah Palin was bad, this is worse, anyone who needs help figuring that out is a dumbass.

If a person truly has accepted that all humans are indeed equal it shouldn't make a difference at all. Both acts are extremely offensive because they represent the execution of someone with differing views.

Anyone who views either event as more or less insulting or crude because of skin color is a racist.

They are both offensive because they represent an execution, but the hanging of black men was a tool of intimdation that was practiced during and after slavery as a sign of racial tension.

I honestly cannot imagine that the effigy hung on personal property of the white female VP was meant as a threat/intimidation to all white women in the country. The converse is not true.

I wouldn't have done either, but I do see a difference. Just because we are equal does not make change the historical symbol of racial intimidation.

/thread

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: cheezy321
Wait, wasn't there a Sarah Palin hung up on someones house for halloween? She was being hung by a noose as well.

Oh wait, Barack is black. Makes it MUCH MORE WORSE :roll:

Pretty much. Gotta love double standards.

Would it make you feel better if the president of the University of Kentucky apologized for the Palin effigy as well, then flew to CA to take it down?

exactly. and as I said earlier, until whitey can claim to understand the pain and anguish that many black families had suffered through lynchings, you have no business claiming "double standard."

I think if your family was put through that reality as early as 30 or 40 years ago, you'd be far more outraged about this than your current skin color "allows" you to be.

At least you show your true racist colors. What other terms do you use?

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: cheezy321

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: LS8

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: cheezy321
Wait, wasn't there a Sarah Palin hung up on someones house for halloween? She was being hung by a noose as well.

Oh wait, Barack is black. Makes it MUCH MORE WORSE :roll:

Pretty much. Gotta love double standards.

The one of Sarah Palin was bad, this is worse, anyone who needs help figuring that out is a dumbass.

If a person truly has accepted that all humans are indeed equal it shouldn't make a difference at all. Both acts are extremely offensive because they represent the execution of someone with differing views.

Anyone who views either event as more or less insulting or crude because of skin color is a racist.

They are both offensive because they represent an execution, but the hanging of black men was a tool of intimdation that was practiced during and after slavery as a sign of racial tension.

I honestly cannot imagine that the effigy hung on personal property of the white female VP was meant as a threat/intimidation to all white women in the country. The converse is not true.

I wouldn't have done either, but I do see a difference. Just because we are equal does not make change the historical symbol of racial intimidation.

Give me a fuckin break.

Lets look at it this way:
An effigy hung on personal property specifically depicting a white woman dressed EXACTLY as Sarah Palin is NOT a threat or intimidation towards her?

BUT:
An effigy hung on public property specifically depicting a black man dressed EXACTLY like Barack Obama IS a threat towards him?

Soooo, when it is a threat towards a white woman it is a joke and part of "freedom of speech". When it is a threat towards a black man it is not a joke, 100% Serious, and is a "racial intimidation".

you're talking about individuals. the symbol is about a race. it ALWAYS has, and always will, THIS IS WHAT IT MEANS IN THIS COUNTRY. if you try to claim this as a double standard, or that that is not what it represents, then you are simply hiding your latent racism under some self-comforting excuse.

pure and simple. I honestly don't understand how you can so blatantly misread Turin's explanation regarding the history of this symbol relating to black people. as you have tried to compare the two, you would then have to search for the history of effigies attacking WHITE WOMEN.

if you can't understand this FACT, then you absolutely fucking suck at history and reality and should probably be caged for the next few weeks while responsible people are allowed to vote...

 

[MikeyLSU]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: cheezy321
Wait, wasn't there a Sarah Palin hung up on someones house for halloween? She was being hung by a noose as well.

Oh wait, Barack is black. Makes it MUCH MORE WORSE :roll:

Pretty much. Gotta love double standards.

Would it make you feel better if the president of the University of Kentucky apologized for the Palin effigy as well, then flew to CA to take it down?

exactly. and as I said earlier, until whitey can claim to understand the pain and anguish that many black families had suffered through lynchings, you have no business claiming "double standard."

I think if your family was put through that reality as early as 30 or 40 years ago, you'd be far more outraged about this than your current skin color "allows" you to be.

what about being burned at the stake in the witch trials? Fact is most blacks in this country were not apart of this. They are too young. Sure, there are some.

But to continue this kind of thing hurts race relations more than anything. If we could just live without the whole white/black things it would help so much.

What if he did a white effigy with the name obama on the chest? Would that make it better?

Fact is this is a horrible thing to do to a white/black/hispanic. To say one is worse is just ignorant. a crime is a crime is a crime. don't tell me it hurts someone else more because of thier skin color. If I hang a black person and a white person, both will die and both will have living family members hurt. They are both acts of evil. Neither life is worth more.

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: QueBert

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: LS8
...
If a person truly has accepted that all humans are indeed equal it shouldn't make a difference at all. Both acts are extremely offensive because they represent the execution of someone with differing views.

Anyone who views either event as more or less insulting or crude because of skin color is a racist.

this.

And it's not subjective, what's bolded above is FACT.

fact huh? lol, humm I remember a month out of every year while I was in school I learned about black people being hung, I don't ever remember hearing about a single white woman being hung.

You fail at proving FACTS. Your opinion means nothing, and if it was FACT we wouldn't have things called HATE CRIMES here in America.

If both had actually been hung for real, the one who hung Obama would have been brought up on different charges, so obviously there is a difference. The FACT you don't understand that doesn't change what a hate crime is...

When I heard about this I thought both were fucked up, but the Obama one definitely had more impact. Maybe because I just picked up the Without Sanctuary book a few months ago and it made an impact.

The fact that you so glaringly missed, is that making a difference based on race is RACISM (factual because that's the very definition of the word)

EDIT: Here's another fact to sink your teeth into. New Hampshire and Washington currently use hanging as thier state method of execution. (and IIRC Ohio allowed a hanging a few years back)

Is that offensive too?

How about the "Gas Chamber?" is that offensive to Jews (about 1000x many jews were killed by gas than blacks were killed by hanging)

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: MikeyLSU
go kill a white women, then go kill a black man.

I bet both are equally upset, and I bet you get arrested for both.

AH, someone from Louisiana chimes in on racism, eh?
:thumbsup:

 

[buck]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: MikeyLSU
go kill a white women, then go kill a black man.

I bet both are equally upset, and I bet you get arrested for both.

AH, someone from Louisiana chimes in on racism, eh?
:thumbsup:

I laughed when I saw that earlier as well. :laugh:

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: MikeyLSU
go kill a white women, then go kill a black man.

I bet both are equally upset, and I bet you get arrested for both.

AH, someone from Louisiana chimes in on racism, eh?
:thumbsup:

First you use the term "Whitey", and now you label a whole group of people based on where they live?

You aren't helping your cause here. You look painfully ignorant.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: buck
Go outside, call a woman a bitch and then go call a black person a ni@@er.

Report back as to which one is worse.

How does that make it right?

Both are wrong, who said either was ok?

So a person who calls a black guy a ni@@er should get more of an ass whooping than a person who calls a woman a bitch?

Yes, because everyone knows that black people have been oppressed 1000X more throughout history than women.

Spousal rape and rape in general by conquering tribes/nations, arranged marriages, polygamy, fundamental Islam, witch-trials, fighting for suffrage. These are nothing compared to the plight of everyone else.

Ni@@er is a noun in the English language, most notable for its usage in a pejorative context to refer to black people, and also as an informal slang term, among other contexts.

The word "bitch" has long been in use to refer to a woman in contempt, as shown in an 1811 dictionary which describes bitch as "the most offensive appellation that can be given to an English woman, even more provoking than that of whore."

Do you idiots get the point now? One is referring to black people (plural) and the other is used to refer to a woman (singular).

replace bitch with wise and beautiful woman. then i'd say it's equivalent.


idiots should have hung biden.

FINALLY! a professed McCain/Palin supporter understands the difference

 

[zeruty]

Originally posted by: JS80


Have YOU ever called your fellow AA a ni@@er? I mean shit, the most racist people I've experienced growing up in LA were blacks. White kids were too scared to be bigots, but blacks appeared to have a golden ticket to go turrets on crackers and chinks. Made no sense to me.

QFTMFT.

I am so freaking sick of the double standards when it comes to racism... If a black person ever calls me a cracker I'll will call them a ni**er out of principle. Outside of that, I'd never call a black person that. Consider:

1. No white man alive was a slave owner.
2. No black person alive was a slave.
3. No white person owes any black person anything in regards to slavery (see 1.)
4. No black person is owed anything in regards to slavery (see 2.)

If people keep dwelling on that, the pain and the divide will NEVER fucking heal.

Now, there are of course people still alive on both sides that were affected by / involved in the racism and segregation prior to the civil rights movement. And I can definitely understand the extra sensitivity felt by the black people who were affected by this.

However, I was born 25 years ago. I will apologize for no one's actions other than my own. I am not responsible for the actions of others of my race. Similarly, a 25 year old black person did not live through the wide-spread racism that existed until the 60s or 70s.

Now, if there was no double standard, either it would be OK for both of us to use racist terms, or it would be OK for neither of us to use racist terms. To be socially acceptable for the black person to call me a cracker or whitey etc, but to be abhorrent for me to use the word ni**er against that black person... because I take on blame for a history of racism because of the color of my skin is fucking RACIST and it offends me.

 

[MikeyLSU]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: MikeyLSU
go kill a white women, then go kill a black man.

I bet both are equally upset, and I bet you get arrested for both.

AH, someone from Louisiana chimes in on racism, eh?
:thumbsup:

So now you lump everyone in a region as racist, nice job there champ. This coming from the one trying to teach people about racism.

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: MikeyLSU
go kill a white women, then go kill a black man.

I bet both are equally upset, and I bet you get arrested for both.

AH, someone from Louisiana chimes in on racism, eh?
:thumbsup:

Wow. You're a fucking tool.

 

[buck]

Originally posted by: MikeyLSU

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: MikeyLSU
go kill a white women, then go kill a black man.

I bet both are equally upset, and I bet you get arrested for both.

AH, someone from Louisiana chimes in on racism, eh?
:thumbsup:

So now you lump everyone in a region as racist, nice job there champ. This coming from the one trying to teach people about racism.

David Ernest Duke (born July 1, 1950) is a former Louisiana State Representative, a candidate in presidential primaries for the Democratic and Republican parties, and former Grand Wizard of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan.

Your state voted him in right?

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Quasmo
The irony is, that if it was a white guy, no one would give a shit.

But it's not really ironic....

After ~5 years in Chapel Hill, Dean Smith was hung and burned in effigy on campus b/c his basketball team wasn't winning. Done in the guise of "good college fun."

It was the 50s, so I don't know what kind of punishments were meted out, but I would think someone protested. Same thing happened to coach K at Duke.

I think a lot of people "gave a shit," but the context was somehow taken to be "different." I don't completely understand why....but there ya go.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: cheezy321
Wait, wasn't there a Sarah Palin hung up on someones house for halloween? She was being hung by a noose as well.

Oh wait, Barack is black. Makes it MUCH MORE WORSE :roll:

Pretty much. Gotta love double standards.

Would it make you feel better if the president of the University of Kentucky apologized for the Palin effigy as well, then flew to CA to take it down?

exactly. and as I said earlier, until whitey can claim to understand the pain and anguish that many black families had suffered through lynchings, you have no business claiming "double standard."

I think if your family was put through that reality as early as 30 or 40 years ago, you'd be far more outraged about this than your current skin color "allows" you to be.

At least you show your true racist colors. What other terms do you use?

I haven't yet found the proper term insulting to my skin color, so I freely use them all.

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: MikeyLSU

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: MikeyLSU
go kill a white women, then go kill a black man.

I bet both are equally upset, and I bet you get arrested for both.

AH, someone from Louisiana chimes in on racism, eh?
:thumbsup:

So now you lump everyone in a region as racist, nice job there champ. This coming from the one trying to teach people about racism.

David Ernest Duke (born July 1, 1950) is a former Louisiana State Representative, a candidate in presidential primaries for the Democratic and Republican parties, and former Grand Wizard of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan.

Your state voted him in right?

Read one of Harvey's posts about Bush.

Your country voted him in, right?