Effective cancer cure is found, except you can't have it because of the FDA fraud

[crashtestdummy]

Some scientist might want to find a cure, but the executives who control everything don't, they want the opposite more sick people, would be surprised if secretly some HIV drugs are designed with a hidden function to make HIV spread more easily. Or cancer drugs that make sure some people have relapses or never experience full remission. These companies want people sick

You really don't understand how markets work, do you? Rather than re-write everything, this is a comment that I made to another poster who made a very similar statement:

I hate big pharma probably more than any other big ______. There's no money in cures, only treatment, and they milk that philosophy for all it's worth.

Anyway, OP, if it heals you, who cares?

That's not really true. I'm not a big fan of a lot of stuff that pharmaceutical companies do (particularly their marketing and IP strategies), but they have a significant incentive to cure, rather than treat.

Let's say Merck has created a treatment for cancer. You would never get rid of it, and you'd have to take the medicine for the rest of your life, but you wouldn't die and you'd have a decent quality of life.

It's 5 years later, and Glaxo is looking at developing either a cure for cancer or a treatment similar to the above. If they develop the treatment, they'll be in direct competition with Merck's product. By the time they finish it, the patent on Merck's treatment will be only about 5 years from running out, at which point it will hit generics. That means that there's a very small window in which Glaxo can recoup its losses going up against an established product.

By comparison, if they make the cure, they completely out-compete Merck's product. Everyone with cancer will buy it, and they'll still get 10 years or more of use before others can make it. The cure is suddenly a much more attractive research option.

Now this is all contingent on having a competitive market which may become increasingly at risk with the huge number of mergers in the pipeline. Most of that, though is due to a coming contraction in the pharma industry, as all of their patents are running out and they're not replacing them with new medications. They are desperate for new treatments, and if there were an easy cure for cancer they'd pounce all over it.

 

[bignateyk]

lulz. So adlep went from this cancer nut to the free energy nut?

 

[PimpJuice]

I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

so leave?

 

[Anonemous]

lulz. So adlep went from this cancer nut to the free energy nut?

Oh yea, this is the same guy promoting that cold fusion/perpetual energy nut.

 

[DrPizza]

Oh yea, this is the same guy promoting that cold fusion/perpetual energy nut.

I wonder how much money he has sent to Nigeria in one form or another?

 

[OutHouse]

I thought we went over this. There is not all end cure for cancer. The movie I Am Legend told me

way to resurrect a crap thread.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

I have a bridge for sale...

 

[pelov]

This reminds me of something I was just thinking about yesterday. Burzynski has published several trials claiming effectiveness for antineoplastons, although reviewers have criticized these trials as being "of a rather unclear design," and the National Cancer Institute reports that no randomized, controlled trials showing the effectiveness of antineoplastons have been published in peer-reviewed scientific journals. Independent researchers have failed to reproduce the benefits reported by Burzynski. A 1999 trial of antineoplastons for malignant glioma found no evidence of tumor responses or efficacy, and all nine patients died before the study closed, all but one death being due to tumor progression.

Yea.. that's what I was thinking...

Because it's stupid. There's about as much evidence for high doses of Vitamin C curing cancer as there is for antineoplastons. Treating cancer via peptides only works if you're targeting specific cells and cell sites. The issue is that the markers on cancerous cells are nearly indistinguishable from non-cancerous cells. This is why we currently treat cancer via the shotgun method like radiation.

This is the active ingredient... glutamine + phenylacetate... that's his amazing super cancer killer. What is it targeting exactly? Absolutely nothing. The glutamine should help you produce a bit more HGH while you're asleep. So while you're weak and dying of cancer, congratulations on those super sweet biceps.

Newsflash: We will never be able to prevent cancer. Never. Never ever ever. The nature of the disease ensures that it will always exist. In fact, we'll almost certainly never create a single cure-all for all types of cancer. It'll require baby steps and extreme specificity in order to make headway.

 

[jagec]

I love how everyone on this forum labels you as a lunatic if you even mention a "conspiracy theory" as if the govt is a noble and trusting organization.

The same people who are destroying this country in front of our eyes. They are all paid off, I would never doubt them doing something shady like this, proof or no proof.

Blame the government, blame the gypsies, blame the Jews, blame the aliens...I mean, everyone KNOWS that they are untrustworthy, so who needs anything silly like "proof" or even "evidence"?

You don't have to assume that the government is a benevolent and all-knowing organization in order to debunk the conspiracy theories.

But you DO have to believe that "the government" or "corporations" have achieved a remarkable blend of meticulous professionalism coupled with gross incompetence in order for them to be controlling and suppressing everything, yet leaving tons of "hard evidence" of their deviousness in the hands of powerless, yet vocal nutjobs.

 

[Nintendesert]

Because it's stupid. There's about as much evidence for high doses of Vitamin C curing cancer as there is for antineoplastons. Treating cancer via peptides only works if you're targeting specific cells and cell sites. The issue is that the markers on cancerous cells are nearly indistinguishable from non-cancerous cells. This is why we currently treat cancer via the shotgun method like radiation.

This is the active ingredient... glutamine + phenylacetate... that's his amazing super cancer killer. What is it targeting exactly? Absolutely nothing. The glutamine should help you produce a bit more HGH while you're asleep. So while you're weak and dying of cancer, congratulations on those super sweet biceps.

Newsflash: We will never be able to prevent cancer. Never. Never ever ever. The nature of the disease ensures that it will always exist. In fact, we'll almost certainly never create a single cure-all for all types of cancer. It'll require baby steps and extreme specificity in order to make headway.

Saying never is every bit as asinine as the claims of the OP. Just look at the progress in medicine in the last hundred years and technology as a whole.

I just don't believe in 500 years we won't look like cavemen banging rocks against sticks to our great great great grandkids.

 

[pelov]

Saying never is every bit as asinine as the claims of the OP. Just look at the progress in medicine in the last hundred years and technology as a whole.

I just don't believe in 500 years we won't look like cavemen banging rocks against sticks to our great great great grandkids.

For cancer to take hold it can take as little as a single mutation. Just one. Furthermore, oncogenic genes can be triggered by a mere cold. Cancer is an unfortunate byproduct of an imperfect system. It's completely natural. Cancer has existed for as long as there has been DNA to go awry and Mitosis to go unchecked. It isn't something that can be prevented by a pill and nor will it ever be (and I do mean ever).

Now aging is something that might be treatable if our assumptions of how and why we age are correct (read the Telomere Hypothesis), but cancer? I can't fathom a way of allowing the cells to properly function and prevent cancer. It just happens

 

[skyking]

Thanks Pelov.

 

[OverVolt]

I dunno it seems that he is basically infusing someone with piss extract.

In the same way chemotherapy stresses your body in such a way that the cancer cells can't adapt, maybe a massive infusion of metabolic wasteproducts could do the same with less side effects.

It has a little merit but the studies don't show very much. If he had better proof then I would believe him but its basically the same as the drink your own pee crowd, just fancier.

 

[jhu]

Not this antineoplaston shit again...

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

For cancer to take hold it can take as little as a single mutation. Just one. Furthermore, oncogenic genes can be triggered by a mere cold. Cancer is an unfortunate byproduct of an imperfect system. It's completely natural. Cancer has existed for as long as there has been DNA to go awry and Mitosis to go unchecked. It isn't something that can be prevented by a pill and nor will it ever be (and I do mean ever).

Now aging is something that might be treatable if our assumptions of how and why we age are correct (read the Telomere Hypothesis), but cancer? I can't fathom a way of allowing the cells to properly function and prevent cancer. It just happens

It takes many more than one. There are many grades between 'normal' tissue and 'cancerous' tissue - in clinical practice it's usually divided into low, medium, and high-grade dysplasia (literally 'bad growth'), as well as carcinoma in-situ for certain cancers. The idea is that you actually need several mutations for a cell to become cancerous:

You need a mutation to enable it to hide from the immune system
You need a mutation (usually several) to stop its own error-correcting mechanisms
You need mutations to stop it killing itself when it realizes something is going wrong
You need mutations to allow it to invade other tissues without killing itself

etc.

There are lots of different routes for a normal cell to get to full-blown cancer, and some require more mutations than others. But generally, the more it has, the more dysplastic and the closer to cancer it is.

 

[T_Yamamoto]

I have a bridge for sale...

How much?