Effect of Syrian immigration on the 2016 election

[Brian Stirling]

There's much talk going on about the prospect that the USA will admit as many as 10,000 Syrian immigrants or more. Various posters here at AT have linked to youtube videos from clearly right wing types that have had millions of views in just a couple days and purport to show that these immigrants as murderers and rapists and with the intent to displace us.

At the other end we have the president continuing to promote the idea of admitting at least 10,000 Syrian immigrants and going after Republican governors for closing there doors to them.

OK, so what does this have to do with the 2016 election? Well, here's what I think. If we admit anything like the number of Syrian immigrants that the president wants then the Republicans will win the White House and gain larger margins in the House and Senate -- and this is if none on them are involved in any attacks in the USA. If any of the Syrian immigrants are involved in any attacks in the USA, particularly if the attack is on the scale of the Mombai or Paris attacks, then the Democrats up for reelection will be overwhelmingly trounced in 2016.

Here's the deal ... if we admit anything like the number of Syrians as promised by the president the Republicans could nominate an unpolished turd and it would win!

We have blood on our hands here and the world knows that we are responsible for the conditions that gave rise to ISIS. We more than any nation have a responsibility to deal with the mess that's been left behind, but admitting large numbers of Syrian immigrants is simply untenable.

Chancellor Merkel is going to find herself and her nation in a world of hurt if even a tiny percentage of the nearly one million immigrants Germany will take in engage in Jihad. It's pretty clear that ISIS knew to take advantage of the immigration crisis and if they were able to get one and possibly more than one into France what is the chance that none of the nearly one million in Germany are sleepers.


Brian

 

[Bitek]

To be fair, 10,000 people into the US is a small number, and the US has been pretty slow to make any promises, unlike Germany which threw the doors open.

That being said, even that number is too many. Not our problem. Sucks as there are some good people and children in there, but not worth the risk right now.

 

[Brian Stirling]

Sadly, this IS our problem as it's the destabilization of the region that WE created that provided the fertile ground for ISIS to form and flourish. We more than anybody our responsible for this mess.

Even if it were a good idea from a moral standpoint to admit thousands of people fleeing from the horrors of war and terrorism that is not politically viable and if we admit anything like the number the president promised the Republicans will demolish the Democrats in 2016.

Since this is what anyone with a brain will recognize I further predict that many Dems will quietly push the president to change course and that few if any Syrians will wind up in the USA before the election. And, if we decline to admit many Syrians what do you think our European allies will think of us.


Brian

 

[Indus]

I think Merkel will be replaced by a right wing party.

However the US is going to be primarily decided not by terrorism but by economy. Hate of the Muslim Terrorists only goes so far when you're struggling to put food on the table despite working 2 jobs. This is where the Republicans have so fucked themselves over.. they have made the middle class into the rich and the poor with trickle down economics.

Unless we have another financial meltdown or a terrorist attack on US soil.. the chances of a GOP'er winning will be low and if it is Trump who is the nominee.. well lets just say there is no way Asians, Blacks or Hispanics are voting for him who might just be swayed by a Kasich/ Bush/ Rubio.

Besides there's a whole year to deal with terrorism in the mean time and I don't think the President will just let terrorists in after what happened with the Tsarnaev's who Bush let in with the refugee policy.

 

[Bitek]

I think we often overstate our proportion of blame for the mess in the region. W clearly f'd up the recent balance of power, but the French and the Brits also share blame for colonial occupation after the fall of the Ottomans and the nonsensical borders they drew between the shia and Sunni areas (the Levant) not to mention all the other powers in the region, their proxy wars, lack of freedom and prosperity, and peddling sectarianism to distract the masses.

Why can't the Saudis take them in?

 

[theeedude]

Republicans can't really function without some group to hate. Since gays are now off limits, and Hispanics politically costly, Syrian refugees are just in time.

 

[rudder]

However the US is going to be primarily decided not by terrorism but by economy. Hate of the Muslim Terrorists only goes so far when you're struggling to put food on the table despite working 2 jobs. This is where the Republicans have so fucked themselves over.. they have made the middle class into the rich and the poor with trickle down economics.
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No it will be decided by the democrat propaganda machine.... Which is powerful when you have all the main stream media watching your back.

I can tell by your post that you have no clue how well the 1% has done under obama and QE. Working people's wages not so much..

 

[IGBT]

It's a public safety issue. Liberals are blinkered and blinded with agenda and ideology to see that fact. The liberal agenda is conditioning society to accept insanity and dismiss public safety.

 

[Indus]

I can tell by your post that you have no clue how well the 1% has done under obama and QE. Working people's wages not so much..

Hard to blame obama when he's had Republicans Obstructing for 6 of his 8 years.

Now Bush on the other hand had Republicans helping 6 of his 8 years.

 

[MongGrel]

Republicans can't really function without some group to hate. Since gays are now off limits, and Hispanics politically costly, Syrian refugees are just in time.

Somehow, that sounds about right.

Even if it is screwed up and wrong.

 

[MongGrel]

It's a public safety issue. Liberals are blinkered and blinded with agenda and ideology to see that fact. The liberal agenda is conditioning society to accept insanity and dismiss public safety.

And personally some people think I'm very liberal, but bite my tongue a lot about what I think should happen some regions a lot.

 

[spacejamz]

Maybe...maybe not...

But probably if there is an ISIS attack on US soil by next summer...

 

[sandorski]

It certainly is an issue that gives the Republicans a foot in the door. An ugly hate motivated foot, but a foot nonetheless.

 

[Slew Foot]

any type of terrorist attack on US soil and the republicans win in a landslide. if we want to admit the refugees, take the children only and put them in us non-muslim foster homes. im sure there are plenty of libs that will open their arms to them.

 

[woolfe9998]

Whatever the merits of the issue in terms of balancing a security risk versus wanting to help legitimate refugees in need, it's a political mistake to take them in. Even if none of them are involved in an attack, the dem candidate will take a hit at the polls.

The GOP is very practiced at playing the politics of fear. And it works.

 

[spacejamz]

any type of terrorist attack on US soil and the republicans win in a landslide. if we want to admit the refugees, take the children only and put them in us non-muslim foster homes. im sure there are plenty of libs that will open their arms to them.

Not sure if it is worth creating yet another thread on this so I will post it here...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...-state-video-vows-more-attacks-west/75864832/

 

[Slew Foot]

Not sure if it is worth creating yet another thread on this so I will post it here...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...-state-video-vows-more-attacks-west/75864832/

quite honestly, if they want to turn syria into their stupid caliphate with sharia law go right ahead, i dont care. just leave the us alone. Attacking the us for them would be stupid, attacking washington dc doubly so. the gvernment probably wouldnt give 2 shits if a bunch of people in Pheonix or Seattle get gunned down, but strike close to where the politicans live, and they might get off their ass and do something.

 

[umbrella39]

It's a public safety issue. Liberals are blinkered and blinded with agenda and ideology to see that fact. The liberal agenda is conditioning society to accept insanity and dismiss public safety.

Own your conservative public safety 9-11. Your Bush. /IGBT brain defected reply

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

If there is an attack by ISIS on US soil the right will go insane pointing fingers at Obama and the left-will claim it was a false flag attack orchestrated by neocons and the illuminati in order to steal the election.

Partisan politics. What a hoot.

 

[Jhhnn]

If there is an attack by ISIS on US soil the right will go insane pointing fingers at Obama and the left-will claim it was a false flag attack orchestrated by neocons and the illuminati in order to steal the election.

Partisan politics. What a hoot.

The first half is likely true. the second part? Simple straw man slime attack.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

The first half is likely true. the second part? Simple straw man slime attack.

Heh. They're actually BOTH straw man slime attacks, Jhhnn. Thanks for showing your colors.

 

[MongGrel]

The first half is likely true. the second part? Simple straw man slime attack.

So your partisan ?

=TastesLikeChicken;37840830]Heh. They're actually BOTH straw man slime attacks, Jhhnn. Thanks for showing your colors.

The whole straw man reference is getting old to begin with.

Anyway...

 

[Brian Stirling]

I think we often overstate our proportion of blame for the mess in the region. W clearly f'd up the recent balance of power, but the French and the Brits also share blame for colonial occupation after the fall of the Ottomans and the nonsensical borders they drew between the shia and Sunni areas (the Levant) not to mention all the other powers in the region, their proxy wars, lack of freedom and prosperity, and peddling sectarianism to distract the masses.

Why can't the Saudis take them in?

Yes, going back further in time you can certainly point blame towards the European colonial powers particularly the French and British. There actions gave rise to the strong men leaders that have dominated the region for many decades.

These strong men leaders maintained control by brutal force and with brutal force the religious factions were contained, often with great loss of life. By our removal of these strong men we left a power vacuum that our puppet leaders were not willing or able to deal with.

Yes, going back further in history we can apportion blame to others and even with the actions beginning in 2003 we had help from some of the same folks that helped to put the strong men in power to begin with. This region is a fucking mess and there are many hands in creating that mess. However, if we had not invaded in 2003 it's likely Saddam would still be in power and exercising control with the only mechanism the peoples of that region have ever known -- force, brutal force. Saddam, like all such strong men, would not tolerate another power in his sphere and ISIS would have been crushed before it began.

Although it is not possible part of me would like to see that region of the world walled off and left to there own devices. Let them kill themselves off if they wish but keep that game in there ballpark.


Brian

 

[MongGrel]

The real world does not exist these days like WWII.

There are no moral saviors.

Everything is Globalized and enemies shake hands to make money at the top, it isn't going to affect their lifestyles.

No one is going to go balls to the wall and nuke anyone, while they are living in luxury at the top end of the spectrum.

Mutually Assured Gold toilets is more the order of the day than mutual destruction.

 

[IGBT]

Own your conservative public safety 9-11. Your Bush. /IGBT brain defected reply

Time to reduce your lithium dosage..your frothing at the mouth and dribbling down your chin..again.