Effect of GTX 275 on price of GTX 285?

[Eluros]

Greetings, all! I'm going to purchase an EVGA GTX 285, but have a question or two about timing.

1. There's been some controversy about whether the GTX 275 will be released tomorrow... think that's pretty reasonable?

2. Do you estimate that the price of the GTX 275 will lower the price of the GTX 285?

If the answer to number 2 is no, then I'll go ahead and purchase one ASAP.

Thanks!

 

[Zap]

Originally posted by: Eluros
1. There's been some controversy about whether the GTX 275 will be released tomorrow... think that's pretty reasonable?

You can't wait until tomorrow to find out? C'mon, tomorrow is only (always) a day away.

Originally posted by: Eluros
2. Do you estimate that the price of the GTX 275 will lower the price of the GTX 285?

That depends on if the GTX 275 exists. ;shiftyeyes:

 

[bryanW1995]

oh, come on zap, it's almost midnight...tell us everything you know!!!

 

[SlowSpyder]

Originally posted by: Eluros
Greetings, all! I'm going to purchase an EVGA GTX 285, but have a question or two about timing.

1. There's been some controversy about whether the GTX 275 will be released tomorrow... think that's pretty reasonable?

2. Do you estimate that the price of the GTX 275 will lower the price of the GTX 285?

If the answer to number 2 is no, then I'll go ahead and purchase one ASAP.

Thanks!

They won't ship it tonight if you were to purchase it now anyway (assuming you're buying online). Wait and see what happens tomorrow.

 

[Eluros]

;_;

Le sob... I suppose I should wait until tomorrow... if there is a price shift, will it likely occur pretty quickly?

 

[bryanW1995]

it might occur somewhat quickly, depending upon the circumstances. With video cards and price shifts, it's typically more "when" than "if". 8800gtx took a VERY long time to shift...gtx 260, not so much.

 

[cusideabelincoln]

A review: http://firingsquad.com/hardwar...orce_gtx_275/page5.asp

The 275 looks like it basically performs on par with the GTX280. I don't know how this will affect 285 pricing, but if the 275 is priced well enough then it could be the better option.

Heck, this review shows an overclocked 275 performing on par with the 285.

 

[lavaheadache]

Originally posted by: cusideabelincoln
A review: http://firingsquad.com/hardwar...orce_gtx_275/page5.asp

The 275 looks like it basically performs on par with the GTX280. I don't know how this will affect 285 pricing, but if the 275 is priced well enough then it could be the better option.

Heck, this review shows an overclocked 275 performing on par with the 285.

one thing for sure... although quite good, the nvidia lineup is rather confusing. We have a GTX275 which is infact a hybrid GTX260/GTX280. we have the GTX285 which is basically a souped up GTX280. A GTX 295 that is a castrated GTX280 x2 or GTX260 x2 with an extra testicle an interesting hybrid to say the least. Next we have the GTX260, which seems to have multiple personalities. Whether one be the runt(original GTX260),the jock (core 216)or the preppy jock(55nm core 216). Then it leaves us with the GTX 250....cough cough 9800GTX, 9800GTX +,GTX280m, 8800GTS 512(whole other FIASCO GTS640/GTS320/GTS512) /cough.

FYI g92 has officially been in the Geforce 8 series, 9 series and the GTX series. I need a drink!!

 

[masteryoda34]

Hey Zap its tomorrow!

 

[Zap]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
oh, come on zap, it's almost midnight...tell us everything you know!!!

Alright, it's after midnight and reviews are already posted.

It is exactly what the specifications say it is. A GTX 285 GPU (240 cores) on a GTX 260 PCB (448-bit memory), with clock speeds in-between (576MHz<633MHz<648MHz). Considering the GTX 285 is above $300 and the GTX 260 is dropping below $200, there is a big glaring gap in pricing... why not make a card in-between the two in performance and in price? Voila, the GTX 275 is born.

For those who know what I'm talking about, the core/shader clocks seem to notch exactly like a GTX 285. I've tested up through around 710MHz core with shader linked. My test card (which was a retail card) was not stable at those speeds.

Partners have some leeway in PCB designs. There may be some highly factory overclocked units with better PCBs (or even higher voltages), but I suspect most will be the cheapest. The reason is that making it a "better" card increases cost. Cheapest GTX 285 on Newegg is $310, which doesn't leave much room for an awesome-but-costly GTX 275. It is like the Gainward Radeon 4850 Golden Sample with GDDR5. Sounds awesome, right? Everyone says so... until they see the price.

I don't think the pricing on the GTX 285 will drop (but NVIDIA is full of suprises these days!). The reason is that the GTX 275 fills the price at which the GTX 260 used to be. There is not much pricing room for the GTX 285 to drop.

I don't know if cards will be in-stock immediately. We actually had a small batch of retail cards to play with for a couple days now. We could have sent them out so that there was immediate retail availability but we decided to wait a few days so we can stock retailers properly. I don't know what other manufacturers are doing.

 

[Zap]

Originally posted by: lavaheadache
one thing for sure... although quite good, the nvidia lineup is rather confusing.

No, it is simple. You are just trying to think too much. Let me make it simple.

With the 2xx series of cards, if the number is higher it will cost more but will perform better.

(There is one possible overlap with the 275/280, but as the 280 is a discontinued product, this works for all current products.)

 

[spacemanspliff1]

Just give me a card that runs cool, quiet and fast. I don't care how big it is, I have no case, just a big ass tech bench.

 

[Soulkeeper]

Originally posted by: spacemanspliff1
Just give me a card that runs cool, quiet and fast. I don't care how big it is, I have no case, just a big ass tech bench.

lol

 

[BFG10K]

I think the 4890 will make the GTX285's price drop because the cards are closer in performance than expected.

 

[SunnyD]

The 275 will likely have little to no effect, because odds are even though it's paper launched, we won't ever see it.

 

[chizow]

I doubt it'll have any impact on current pricing, as the 275 filled an already huge pricing gap between the 260 and 285 from $180-200 to 300-330 or so. If the GTX 285 goes any lower it'll already be overlapping the overclocked 275 prices. The 4870 and 260 are already much better in terms of price to performance, so if anything they would drive the price of the 275 and 4890 downward, which I doubt they will.

 

[BenSkywalker]

because odds are even though it's paper launched, we won't ever see it.

Better then even money? What kind of odds are you giving then and how much will you cover? Couple grand?

 

[Zap]

Originally posted by: SunnyD
The 275 will likely have little to no effect, because odds are even though it's paper launched, we won't ever see it.

Why do you say that? It has been verified that some European retailers already have stock (as in physically there, ready to ship). I have a bunch here so I've already "seen" them.

Originally posted by: Zap
For those who know what I'm talking about, the core/shader clocks seem to notch exactly like a GTX 285. I've tested up through around 710MHz core with shader linked. My test card (which was a retail card) was not stable at those speeds.

A clarification on this. The speeds notch the same but they are linked at a slightly different point. So, both 275/285 have shader notches at points like 1476/1512/1548/etc. Both have clock notches like 648/663/666/669/675/etc. They are linked at a different point in that at any given core speed, the 285 will be a notch ahead in shader while linked. Thus, the 285 will outperform a 275 even if core/memory are clocked exactly the same, if shaders stay linked. Problem is that shaders are often the limiting point of overclocks and I don't believe the 275 to be any different.

This brings me to something that has been bugging me for a while. At BFG we usually try to set our factory overclocks with shaders linked, because we believe that gives the best performance. Some other companies do not. One example is the just announced Zotac GTX 275 AMP! It has a core clocked to a heady 702MHz with shaders at 1512MHz. Sounds great, right? Well, thing is that the shaders at 702MHz core speed should be running at 1548MHz, not 1512MHz. So, a "stock" GTX 275 will perform nearly identical (memory aside) if you overclock the core to a measly 674MHz because the shader will be at 1512MHz already.