Eerie Essay on Afghanistan

GasX

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This was written by Tamim Ansary, an Afghanistan born American, and is quite frightening in its implications.

I've been hearing a lot of talk about "bombing Afghanistan back to the Stone Age." Ronn Owens, on KGO Talk Radio today, allowed that this would mean killing innocent people, people who had nothing to do with this atrocity, but "we're at war, we have to accept collateral damage. What else can we do?" Minutes later I heard some TV pundit discussing whether we "have the belly to do what must be done."

And I thought about the issues being raised especially hard because I am from Afghanistan, and even though I've lived here for 35 years I've never lost track of what's going on there. So I want to tell anyone who will listen how it all looks from where I'm standing.

I speak as one who hates the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden. There is no doubt in my mind that these people were responsible for the atrocity in New York. I agree that something must be done about those monsters. But the Taliban and Ben Laden are not Afghanistan. They're not even the government of Afghanistan. The Taliban are a cult of ignorant psychotics who took over Afghanistan in 1997. Bin Laden is a political criminal with a plan. When you think Taliban, think Nazis. When you think Bin Laden, think Hitler. And when you think "the people of Afghanistan" think "the Jews in the concentration camps." It's not only that the Afghan people had nothing to do with this atrocity. They were the first victims of the perpetrators. They would exult if someone would come in there, take out the Taliban and clear out the rats nest of international thugs holed up in their country.

Some say, why don't the Afghans rise up and overthrow the Taliban? The answer is, they're starved, exhausted, hurt, incapacitated, suffering. A few years ago, the United Nations estimated that there are 500,000 disabled orphans in Afghanistan--a country with no economy, no food. There are millions of widows. And the Taliban has been burying these widows alive in mass graves. The soil is littered with land mines, the farms were all destroyed by the Soviets. These are a few of the reasons why the Afghan people have not overthrown the Taliban.

We come now to the question of bombing Afghanistan back to the Stone Age. Trouble is, that's been done. The Soviets took care of it already. Make the Afghans suffer? They're already suffering. Level their houses? Done. Turn their schools into piles of rubble? Done. Eradicate their hospitals? Done. Destroy their infrastructure? Cut them off from medicine and health care? Too late. Someone already did all that. New bombs would only stir the rubble of earlier bombs. Would they at least get the Taliban? Not likely. In today's Afghanistan, only the Taliban eat, only they have the means to move around. They'd slip away and hide. Maybe the bombs would get some of those disabled orphans, they don't move too fast, they don't even have wheelchairs. But flying over Kabul and dropping bombs wouldn't really be a strike against the criminals who did this horrific thing. Actually it would only be making common cause with the Taliban--by raping once again the people they've been raping all this time.

So what else is there? What can be done, then? Let me now speak with true fear and trembling. The only way to get Bin Laden is to go in there with ground troops. When people speak of "having the belly to do what needs to be done" they're thinking in terms of having the belly to kill as many as needed. Having the belly to overcome any moral qualms about killing innocent people. Let's pull our heads out of the sand. What's actually on the table is Americans dying. And not just because some Americans would die fighting their way through Afghanistan to Bin Laden's hideout. It's much bigger than that folks. Because to get any troops to Afghanistan, we'd have to go through Pakistan. Would they let us? Not likely. The conquest of Pakistan would have to be first. Will other Muslim nations just stand by? You see where I'm going. We're flirting with a world war between Islam and the West.

And guess what: that's Bin Laden's program. That's exactly what he wants. That's why he did this. Read his speeches and statements. It's
>all right there. He really believes Islam would beat the west. It might seem ridiculous, but he figures if he can polarize the world into Islam and the West, he's got a billion soldiers. If the west wreaks a holocaust in those lands, that's a billion people with nothing left to lose, that's even better from Bin Laden's point of view. He's probably wrong, in the end the west would win, whatever that would mean, but the war would last for years and millions would die, not just theirs but ours. Who has the belly for that? Bin Laden does. Anyone else?
 

thereds

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Very interesting essay and scary as well.

What a terrible, terrible world we live in.
 

Fraggle

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frightening -- especially cause the writer really seems to know what he's talking about.
 

Haribo

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Very interesting!

Someone (mods) should lock this thread at the top of OT, atleast for 24h.
 

classy

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No offense but I have reading this poor ole Afghan stuff all week. I am tired of reading it. I am tired of hearing about how they are suffering. Don't bomb the people everyone says, it will do no good. So what are we to do. Nothing? I find it amazing about we are supposed to look at these people like they are victims. You mean to tell me no one can tell us where these clowns are? If its so bad, why don't they leave. Why have they not joined all those who left to go to Pakistan or Iran? I am sorry, but a ressponse is in order. Somebody can tell the truth about Bin Laden and these henchmen. But they don't. So they will suffer with the them. God knows I don't want to see anymore bloodshed, but if these so called suffering people won't help us out to eradicate these barbarians then they too are with them and should be treated as such. I am a little sadden by the way I feel, but that is the way I feel. And one more thing this writer seems to have a feeling of awe of Bin Laden. He's scared of him so I guess we all should shutter. Yea right.
 

RGN

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Classy, for the first time ever I completely agree with you. That was VERY well said and I second that.
 

calpha

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Thank you for that post.

It was very enlightening, and I've been wondering what Bin Laden's master plan was since this happened. Becuase of this article I changed my sig. I used to say, I wish we could send nukes to em all, but now, I understand that's not the answer. I'm still glad that I'm not in power becuase I really have no idea what to do or how to act. Response is necessary, but how?
 

GasX

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<< No offense but I have reading this poor ole Afghan stuff all week. I am tired of reading it. I am tired of hearing about how they are suffering. Don't bomb the people everyone says, it will do no good. So what are we to do. Nothing? I find it amazing about we are supposed to look at these people like they are victims. You mean to tell me no one can tell us where these clowns are? If its so bad, why don't they leave. Why have they not joined all those who left to go to Pakistan or Iran? I am sorry, but a ressponse is in order. Somebody can tell the truth about Bin Laden and these henchmen. But they don't. So they will suffer with the them. God knows I don't want to see anymore bloodshed, but if these so called suffering people won't help us out to eradicate these barbarians then they too are with them and should be treated as such. I am a little sadden by the way I feel, but that is the way I feel. And one more thing this writer seems to have a feeling of awe of Bin Laden. He's scared of him so I guess we all should shutter. Yea right. >>


These people are lucky to have a 2nd grade education. In fact, they are lucky to survive to 2nd grade. They live in a world you couldn't possibly imagine and yet you can question their actions? All they know is ignorance, fear and starvation. Many would like to leave and find a better life, but moving to a refugee camp in Iran or Pakistan doesn't improve their life.

The average Joe in Afghanistan does not support the Taliban, rather he fears it. He would be happy to have you go over there and make his life better. You'll just never hear his voice.