Are you auditioning as guest host for when Hannity is on vacation or something? How many times are you going to repeat the same rhetoric that's been put down already?!?!
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I want to isolate this, to point out another Riprorin lie (or, minimally, misrepresentation due to RR's ignorance). This bill was passed a year ago, which he would have known with a modicum of research. This perfectly sums up the consistent lack of rigor and care that goes into all his posts, and crystalizes why he is not worthy of our attention.
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Not the same thing. You posted this as fact, right now, when in fact it has been untrue for a year. This is analogous to someone posting that Bush is presently a hard-drinking drunk driver, when in fact that hasn't been true for many years.
Assuming you're serious (something I have come to seriously question), your partisan hatred is so strong that it interferes with your EVER being persuasive or effective in arguing for your side. You have shown too many times that you are willing to misrepresent and even fabricate "facts" to tar Democrats. It's odd, in that you don't seem dumb - I'd be more sympathetic if I thought you were.
You're obfiscating.
Are you denying that Sen Edwards held up a bill to help our troops that only ONE member of the House votes against (mistakenly, I might add)?
That's really the crux ofthe issue, isn't it.
Here's what some of his consituents had to say about his grandstanding:
"He's out to make a name for himself to be president," said Edward Parungo, commander of a Veterans of Foreign Wars post in Mr. Edwards' hometown of Raleigh. "He doesn't care who he has to step on to do it."
"If this is his policy towards our men and women in the military, then I'm deeply scared of what he'd be like as president," said Conway Brooks, a disabled Army veteran from Raleigh.
I would try to change the debate too if I had to defend this guy!
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I'm not sure I'd call it a major "holdup," since the Senate bill was still passed within a few months of the House one. Did President Bush ever sign the bill?
Interestingly, Edwards' version of the bill was meant to make the proposed reliefs mandatory, not discretionary, and it would effectively have given greater, not lesser, relief to deployed military members.
Frankly, even as a person with substantial student loans (law school will do that!), and a person who has been militarily deployed, I think this bill doesn't fill any needed void for deployed military members. If anything, you tend to save money while deployed, since most military deployments nowadays are to tax-exempt regions where you collect hostile fire pay, and you have less ability to spend in a deployed environment. I'm all for saving money, but this is just not a big deal. I could have had my Perkins loan payments deferred without interest when I was deployed, and I didn't bother.
So are you conceding that you misrepresented? How is your credibility not at issue, when the entire basis of your thread was based on outdated and incorrect information?
Interestingly, Edwards' version of the bill was meant to make the proposed reliefs mandatory, not discretionary, and it would effectively have given greater, not lesser, relief to deployed military members.
Frankly, even as a person with substantial student loans (law school will do that!), and a person who has been militarily deployed, I think this bill doesn't fill any needed void for deployed military members. If anything, you tend to save money while deployed, since most military deployments nowadays are to tax-exempt regions where you collect hostile fire pay, and you have less ability to spend in a deployed environment. I'm all for saving money, but this is just not a big deal. I could have had my Perkins loan payments deferred without interest when I was deployed, and I didn't bother.
So are you conceding that you misrepresented? How is your credibility not at issue, when the entire basis of your thread was based on outdated and incorrect information?
I doubt that everyone in the military is in exactly the same financial situation that you were in. I hope that this bill provides some relief to those troops that need it.
Gee, thanks.
I work in R&D for a living. You may have actually used some products that I've developed. I'm not a professional arguer like you.
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Not that he cares, but I bet there'd be a lot of people here who'd have a little better opinion of Rip if he'd just come out and say something like "Whoops, I had that wrong. I thought it was a recent article. My bad."
But then again, maybe not.
But then again, maybe not.
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Originally posted by: Gaard
Not that he cares, but I bet there'd be a lot of people here who'd have a little better opinion of Rip if he'd just come out and say something like "Whoops, I had that wrong. I thought it was a recent article. My bad."
But then again, maybe not.
That wouldn't be our lovable old Rip! Looking back on it, I kinda regret the post I made above, attacking him. He seems like a decent guy, and is clearly the ATPN liberals' best friend.
Originally posted by: Gaard
Not that he cares, but I bet there'd be a lot of people here who'd have a little better opinion of Rip if he'd just come out and say something like "Whoops, I had that wrong. I thought it was a recent article. My bad."
But then again, maybe not.
Oh crap. I got Rip's threads mixed up. The other thread is where he refuses to admit that he messed up and linked to an old article. My bad. <--- see how easy that is Rip?
Originally posted by: Gaard
Not that he cares, but I bet there'd be a lot of people here who'd have a little better opinion of Rip if he'd just come out and say something like "Whoops, I had that wrong. I thought it was a recent article. My bad."
But then again, maybe not.
I admit that I didn't know how this bill got resolved and when, but the point is, Edwards held it up unnecessarily to the detriment of our servicemen and women, apparently to cast himself into the political limelight.
That's the crux of the matter, everything else is obfuscation and fluff to dvert attention away from the main issue.
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Just in the interest of accuracy, he did it in this thread as well.
I think if Rip would actually read these things before posting them, he could be an an effective advocate, but I see no signs of that being likely. Probably a good start would be to limit himself to articles that are less than a month old (or, in this case, a year old).
Shoot, I just realized that this article is also from over a year ago. What's the matter with you Rip?
:laugh: This is too much. I just realized the second article you copy/pasted from in this thread is likewise from over a year ago.
:laugh: This is too much. I just realized the second article you copy/pasted from in this thread is likewise from over a year ago.
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So, would that make it a good idea to have a President with a criminal conviction, or a VP with two DUIs, or not?
And if you read the article Rip you would see that Edwards was trying to improve the Bill :roll:
This is what I think of your thread Rip:
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This is what I think of your thread Rip:
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