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Edwards: Bush is a crook-coddling pinko.

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If Edwards helped to increase the cost of healthcare by making a living chasing ambulences (meaning, unjust/frivolous lawsuits seeking overly high damage rewards) then he's ineligible to receive my vote on that issue alone.
I agree 100% but I challenge anyone to prove that's true instead of assuming it's true simply b/c he's a trial lawyer in remission. Edwards is not a caricature
he's a real person which means he has roses and thorns. I can say without qualification that he's won cases on the merits . . . I can also say some of those
cases produced high jury awards. I've never served jury duty but I'm not sure what a trial lawyer could possibly say that would justify 5 or 10 million
dollar awards. But when facing corporations who have extensive legal departments that specialize in denial, delay, and obfuscation . . . I would look for
someone like Edwards. Many of us (physicians and otherwise normal people) support significant tort reform. Edwards appears to be carrying the trial lawyer
banner so far . . . which definitely earns him demerits in my book. By the same token, the people clamoring for tort reform are no saints.
 
After reading enough of heartsurgeon's posts i wonder why a man with a total disregaurd for his fellow man whould choose medicine as his specialty in life. Should have been...Well an attoney🙂 Corporate one for either tobacco or oil intrests more money too.
 
After reading enough of heartsurgeon's posts i wonder why a man with a total disregaurd for his fellow man whould choose medicine as his specialty in life.

A chance to cut is a chance to cure.

There's nothing like the healing power of cold steel.

heartsurgeon has good reason to be pissed. If he's still practicing I bet his liability insurance doubled in the past three years . . . kids have to go the prep school,
wife's plastic surgeon doesn't take coupons, the lake house needs a new roof, the beach house needs a new deck, the Jag is acting up again,
and the portfolio took it on the chin chin since late 2000 (granted its rebounded nicely this Spring). Fortunately, heartsurgeon can count on a sedentary,
obese, smoking, excessively drinking population to keep him in the OR.
 
doubleed to what? 80--100K? ya that's real tough when you make 500.

Now you have to keep this real though. If you make 500K . . . even in low tax states your marginal tax rate exceeds 40% . . . in high tax states (plus
local levees) liability increases to over 50%, so now 500K is 250K. The 50K premium is 10% of gross and 20% of after-tax income. If it doubles in a year
(which has happened in several states) your mandatory coverage now consumes 40% of after tax income (100K). Taking home 150K sounds good until
you consider what it costs the typical specialist surgeon to become a surgeon and the crappy hours (for some). To add insult to injury, every surgeon
will pay the increased premium regardless of how often you've been sued.

As for the topic, Bush wants to create an America that looks out for the people he considers most important . . . people like him. For some reason, the majority
of Americans approve of his overall work . . . but disagree with his policy. I'm not sure what exactly that means.
 
BBD,

I have a hard time with the "Art" of medicine versus the "Science". For instance: Assume a patient has a condition requiring an 'operation'. This person, during the 'operation' develops an abnomal issue apart from the condition in focus. As a result the patient dies. The family brings a tort action against all involved. During trial the plaintiff's expert opines the death was negligence of the 'cutter' who should have expected the secondary issue... and cites other cases where this occured. Respondent's expert opines the proximate cause of death was the secondary issue and the secondary issue was not stimulated or caused by the condition in focus nor is it reasonable to assume the secondary issue was within the expertise of the cutter or assistant (s). Death occured too rapidly to bring in a physician with expertise in the secondary issue. Two seemingly differen't opinions. Jury finds for the plaintiff and fixes damages at 25M.

If one views this from an Art point of view the uncertainty of all the variables becomes more a defense versus a more Scientific view where statistical analysis would make the plaintiff case more reasonable... I think..

How do you view the operating room enviornment? Where subjectivity seems more pronounced.
How do you view the pathology enviornment? Where objectivity seems more pronounced.

Does the above make any sense?
 
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Now you have to keep this real though. If you make 500K . . . even in low tax states your marginal tax rate exceeds 40% . . . in high tax states (plus
local levees) liability increases to over 50%, so now 500K is 250K. The 50K premium is 10% of gross and 20% of after-tax income. If it doubles in a year
(which has happened in several states) your mandatory coverage now consumes 40% of after tax income (100K). Taking home 150K sounds good until
you consider what it costs the typical specialist surgeon to become a surgeon and the crappy hours (for some). To add insult to injury, every surgeon
will pay the increased premium regardless of how often you've been sued.

As for the topic, Bush wants to create an America that looks out for the people he considers most important . . . people like him. For some reason, the majority
of Americans approve of his overall work . . . but disagree with his policy. I'm not sure what exactly that means.
Just an accounting nit. Wouldn't that insurance premium be deductable as a business expense? If so, it's applied pre-tax which effectively reduces its cost by your marginal rate. In other words, a $50K policy would cost $25K to $30K out-of-pocket for someone at a marginal rate of 40% to 50%. True?

Not chicken feed in any case, but not quite as bad.

 
Bow,

All the MD's will incorporate and instead of paying themselves a salary or Sub chapter S having it xferred to 1040 they'll simply pay themselves dividends tax free.... with no $ taxable in the corp.
 
Just an accounting nit. Wouldn't that insurance premium be deductable as a business expense? If so, it's applied pre-tax which effectively reduces its cost by your marginal rate. In other words, a $50K policy would cost $25K to $30K out-of-pocket for someone at a marginal rate of 40% to 50%. True?

You are correct. I was trying to keep it simple (and try to emphasize the hardship of liability insurance) but my example is indeed a distortion of reality. Those premiums still must be earned and no one ranging from the cleaning lady to a neurosurgeon wants to work more this year and get paid less.

HJD1, you raise an interesting point. Medicine is a mechanistic science and a healing art plus every iteration in between. I've seen breast augmentations that would make Mother Nature jealous. Personally, I don't like anything much bigger than a B but a good friend's fiance really has perfect breasts. Such outcomes exist at the intersection of a masterful eye for detail, pure dominion over anatomy/physiology, and incredible manual dexterity.

A good chunk of neurosurgery is voodoo. We have all kinds of medical practices that satisfied a relatively unqualified standard of care 5 years ago which are nearly defunct today. Male infant circumcision, shaving women before gynecological surgery, shaving the head before neurosurgery . . . all make some sense but best evidence to date says they all provide negligible if any benefit. One of the single best effective protocols for reducing the trauma and expense of labor is the presence of a doula. Weird stuff like that is all art or just part of the science we do not understand . . . yet.

The standard of care is guiding principle. In my state you must provide significant evidence of violation of the standard of care to file a complaint. Sometimes it's relatively simple. A neurosurgeon in my state was performing suboccipital craniectomy (removing part of the base of the skull) as a migraine headache treatment. I thought the patient was lying but her records were quite detailed. In fact, the records even detailed the physician's decision-making process based on his diagnostic studies. Even as a student I realized this guy was either the worst surgeon in the state or he was doing a whole lot of art and very little science. His license was suspended; likely to be revoked but not before several people received an unapproved and otherwise unwise surgical procedure that will likely produce permanent disability.

It is the failure of the medical profession to cull its own herd that gives people like Edwards the opportunity to eat our lunch. Edwards and the other almost decent trial lawyers make a living off our foibles but the present a challenge that often ushers in needed reforms.

The other aspect of the art of medicine is that no one looks like the textbook description. Every patient is a little different and its the ability to navigate the subtleties that separates the great artists of medicine from the people that jus know the science. There's an art to reading people and convincing them to act in their best interests.

Medicine will never be an exact science. My state's legal structure recognizes its limitations and affords every competent physician significant protection from frivilous lawsuits. Alas, the typical patient has relatively little protection from incompetent physicians other than the broad sword otherwise known as the blood-sucking trial lawyer . . . and in truth that's more revenge than protection.
 
He just lost my vote...

Whoops, I forgot he never had it. Why can't there be a better choice for a presidential candidate out of NC than him?
 
BBD,
Medicine will never be an exact science. My state's legal structure recognizes its limitations and affords every competent physician significant protection from frivolous lawsuits. Alas, the typical patient has relatively little protection from incompetent physicians other than the broad sword otherwise known as the blood-sucking trial lawyer . . . and in truth that's more revenge than protection.
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The law provides a nexus between a Tort and Criminal Law event. The tort of battery for instance.. so the revenge on a physician who say surgifies while drunk or the like will suffer two exposures to the system.
I think there ought to be a graduated scale of Tort Remedy.. With the gross negligence due to x or y having substantial penalty ceiling. I'd also include a liquidation of personal assets before the insurance kicked in... Co-insurance for outlandish behavior. The other non criminal type torts would have reasonable co-insurance clauses and lower ceilings based on expert and independent findings..
I don't like revenge but, neither do I like absence of actual cost remedy.
 
I like your thinking HJD1.

I would include: 1) ceiling on contingency fees lawyers may receive from a case, 2) mandatory incident reporting, 3) mandatory mediation, 4) compensatory damages should be paid in installments not lump sums, 5) punitive damages should be used to assist health facilities in reducing avoidable errors NOT the patient or trial lawyer, and 6) all states should create insurance commissions to regulate medmal rates . . . the great state of CA has one.
 
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
I like your thinking HJD1.

I would include: 1) ceiling on contingency fees lawyers may receive from a case, 2) mandatory incident reporting, 3) mandatory mediation, 4) compensatory damages should be paid in installments not lump sums, 5) punitive damages should be used to assist health facilities in reducing avoidable errors NOT the patient or trial lawyer, and 6) all states should create insurance commissions to regulate medmal rates . . . the great state of CA has one.


I'd vote for that.. except item 1 should be picked up by the respondent if he loses and at 1/3 the settlement, if the mediation master deems the failure to settle was due respondent dumbness🙂. If he wins then, of course, there would be no fee due from plaintiff.
 
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