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Edwards: Bush is a crook-coddling pinko.
- Thread starter Zebo
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BaliBabyDoc
Lifer
Talk about swinging for the fences . . . Edwards' message requires too much interpretation to be effective with the masses.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Yeah, "the sky is falling" type of preaching doesn't go over well 😉😛
CkG
UltraQuiet
Banned
Just looks like the usual class warfare Demotard rhetoric to me. Probably because that's all that it is.
He is in fact swinging for the fences though. He has no choice. It's already relatively late in the game for him and his team was down by a couple of runs to begin with.
BaliBabyDoc
Lifer
Actually it's not class warfare. Unlike Bush who has achieved nothing but been given essentially everything . . . Edwards worked his way up from low middle class to distinction as an undergrad, law student, and lawyer. Bush cannot relate which will certainly come across if these two face off. I considered working for his campaign but I don't particularly like Democrats and I have a modicum of disdain for trial lawyers . . . the third strike was that damn mole.
UltraQuiet
Banned
It is class warfare no matter what Edwards background is. Repeated mentions of "middle class", "workers", "captains of industry", "owners", "CEO's" etc., etc., all with intention of making it an "us v. them" scenario is the typical Demotard class warfare rhetoric.
The Demoidiots had better learn the obvious lesson from the 2002 election. It will not be enough to ridicule and criticize your opponent. You had better have a coherent plan of your own to present to the voters. Saying your going to make every American an "owner" or promising a $5K tax credit for home purchasers in one of the friendliest housing markets ever isn't even close to being coherent.
This country is in desperate need of a "loyal opposition" and the Dems need to get on the fscking ball. Now.
Gonad the Barbarian
Lifer
Why is it everytime the middle-class is addressed by Democrats, it gets labeled as class-warfare and dismissed as rhetoric?
Why is it Republicans seem to think that the 2002 presidential election was some sort of landslide victory?
Why is it Republicans seem to think that the 2002 presidential election was some sort of landslide victory?
BarneyFife
Diamond Member
What is loyal opposition?
BarneyFife
Diamond Member
A lot of Republicans are uneducated rednecks who really don't care about economics. All they care about is abortion and whether the person running for president is white and mentions God in their speech on numerous occasions. I know some Republicans who are financially poor and receive some form of government aide. Now to the economic republicans, they are the anti-christ. The party system in the US is real bizarre to say the least. Better not to vote for either.
UltraQuiet
Banned
Clue 1 - It is labeled and dismissed as rhetoric because that's what it is.
Clue 2 - There was no presidential election in '02. However what there was a poor economy and a drive to put the country on a war footing. The Dems lost the Congress because of a very basic lack of their own ideas. They thought they could win elections simply by criticizing the economy without coming up with a plan of their own. They did not.
BarneyFife:
First you say:
"What is loyal opposition?"
Then you say:
" A lot of Republicans are uneducated rednecks"
You're making it way too easy but I'll refrain.
HappyGamer2
Banned
I am getting sick of people picking on Bush, can't you people see he is just doing what he told or ordered to do. give the man a break please.
Tripleshot
Elite Member
Thanks for the read Zebo. I will watch a bit closer this candidate. He said some pretty gutsy things, none of which was a mention of class warfare. But paranoid republicans who fear losing their fair haired leader and control of congress in 2004, are very quick to to point to that same weak argument time and again, without ever addressing the issues face on that the slate article on Edwards outlined.
That is a tactic to get the reader to do something other than read and undrstand what Edwards is saying. That requires critical thinking. If the paraniod republicans can keep you down at their level, they hope you will never see the oppurtunities for change that are coming from the top.
It is apparant Bush's economic, envronmental, and foreign policies are all vulnarable. That doesn't leave a whole lot for republicans to push forward, and plenty for democrats to attack, given the narrow margin of victory(?) that Bush had in 2000. Less than 600 votes gave him an electoral win that was challenged and only resolved by a partisan vote by the Supreme Court. Questionable voting irregularities at the hands of the state that his brother was the elected leader of are still in the memory of those who felt betrayed by the system, and still see corruption as being rewarded, if enough money is in play. 2004 will be very different. People are much more educated, and seing how close the vote was in 2000, you canbet they will be at the polls in 2004, making sure there is not a repeat of the last desaster that let this questionable leader into power. Bush will need to do something much more than he has so far, two tax givaways,and so far a failed assult on terrorism,in that Osama is but a footnote in the news now, and there are no WMD's or Saddam to be found in Iraq. Add that to 2 million plus unemployed since he took over, and no coherent policy to turn that around AT ALL!. Edwards mentioned that his tax cuts only amounted to a tax shift, from federal to higher state and local taxes. He is speaking the truth, and the truth hurts.
People will vote on these issues, not the rigged poll results republicans keep pointing to. This next election is not going to be a popularity contest, this country is going to vote for a champion of personal rights for self determination through the free market system, and governace over rampent degradation of personal freedoms at the hands of the likes of Ashcroft, Bush's hand picked Czar of right wing agenda mandates. They will vote for job creation, and the only one they saw do that was Clinton, like it or not. If Dems can foster a plan for getting more people back to work, and the economy back on track, then Bush will be out, and that will suit me fine. I've done a Ben Franklin balance sheet on Bush, and he has failed.
I want a change. :beer: 😉
That is a tactic to get the reader to do something other than read and undrstand what Edwards is saying. That requires critical thinking. If the paraniod republicans can keep you down at their level, they hope you will never see the oppurtunities for change that are coming from the top.
It is apparant Bush's economic, envronmental, and foreign policies are all vulnarable. That doesn't leave a whole lot for republicans to push forward, and plenty for democrats to attack, given the narrow margin of victory(?) that Bush had in 2000. Less than 600 votes gave him an electoral win that was challenged and only resolved by a partisan vote by the Supreme Court. Questionable voting irregularities at the hands of the state that his brother was the elected leader of are still in the memory of those who felt betrayed by the system, and still see corruption as being rewarded, if enough money is in play. 2004 will be very different. People are much more educated, and seing how close the vote was in 2000, you canbet they will be at the polls in 2004, making sure there is not a repeat of the last desaster that let this questionable leader into power. Bush will need to do something much more than he has so far, two tax givaways,and so far a failed assult on terrorism,in that Osama is but a footnote in the news now, and there are no WMD's or Saddam to be found in Iraq. Add that to 2 million plus unemployed since he took over, and no coherent policy to turn that around AT ALL!. Edwards mentioned that his tax cuts only amounted to a tax shift, from federal to higher state and local taxes. He is speaking the truth, and the truth hurts.
People will vote on these issues, not the rigged poll results republicans keep pointing to. This next election is not going to be a popularity contest, this country is going to vote for a champion of personal rights for self determination through the free market system, and governace over rampent degradation of personal freedoms at the hands of the likes of Ashcroft, Bush's hand picked Czar of right wing agenda mandates. They will vote for job creation, and the only one they saw do that was Clinton, like it or not. If Dems can foster a plan for getting more people back to work, and the economy back on track, then Bush will be out, and that will suit me fine. I've done a Ben Franklin balance sheet on Bush, and he has failed.
I want a change. :beer: 😉
Zebo
Elite Member
I'll prolly vote for Howard Dean in the primarys. His State leads the nation in education, has a buget surplus right now because he saved during the good times and is a little more conservative than Edwards (plus I hate lawyers)..
But Edwards does bring up good issues.
Charrison the rich is anyone who makes all thier money from "capital gains" and/or stock options and doe'nt have income or if they do it's trivial in comparison. They pay 15% while most of america pays in excess of 30% on thier income. The whole notion of capital gains is the biggest joke of all time.
But Edwards does bring up good issues.
Charrison the rich is anyone who makes all thier money from "capital gains" and/or stock options and doe'nt have income or if they do it's trivial in comparison. They pay 15% while most of america pays in excess of 30% on thier income. The whole notion of capital gains is the biggest joke of all time.
heartsurgeon
Diamond Member
you're kidding, right?
this screwball is an ambulance chaser..he made his millions suing doctors and extorting money out of insurance companies..
he is the reason there is a medical malpractice crisis sweeping this country.
if you don't believe there is a malpractice crisis, then you must be a trial lawyer..
this guy is a cheerleader for the trial lawyers of america..
you know, the ones that sue MacDonalds for hot coffee being to hot, for a "psychic" losing her powers because of a CT scan of the head, for an accountant
losing money at a casino then claiming its the casino's fault for letting him lose........
this guy is slick willie just repackaged..
BaliBabyDoc
Lifer
I will forgive your ignorance, heartsurgeon, b/c apparently you just cannot help yourself. I am a NC native and a physician which provides a unique
perspective to assess Edwards. Edwards is indeed worked as a youth, graduated from North Carolina State University with Honors and the University
of North Carolina School of Law with Honors. He is definitely a blood sucking trial lawyer who is responsible for winning a multitude of cases
on the merits of the law. Along the way he certainly ran afoul of doctors/hospital organizations. In NC, all MedMal complaints MUST provide
proof that a physician/healthcare facility violated the standard of care before it can be filed. Edwards has helped more than he has harmed
medicine in NC (to my knowledge it's the only state he's practiced in).
NC was actually one of the few states doing quite well with regards to MedMal up until 1999. My hospital is self-insured and the money it set aside
for insurance/claims has doubled in the past 4 years. It would certainly be convenient to blame Edwards but he's been a member of a different
blood-sucking cabal since 1998.
Feel free to dislike the man b/c of his profession or political ideology but argue facts not innuendo. The law is one of our society's greatest achievements
don't defame them all based on the offenses of a few.
For the sake of disclosure . . . I am typing this from the luxury townhome of a trial lawyer . . . purely coincidence, though. 😛
LunarRay
Diamond Member
For the sake of disclosure . . . I am typing this from the luxury townhome of a trial lawyer . . . purely coincidence, though.
Not the golf course... Hmmm. 🙂 Well, priorities due get in the way..
Edwards is an advocate... the conduit through which the client seeks remedy. I see Lawyers not as $ gobbling self edifying ego driven scum.... but, well...... 😉 With out the attorney what would we have? They maintain the system. The jury awards limit law ought to be enacted to award JUST compensation is all cases..
Edwards is bright... and did do well by NC...
Not the golf course... Hmmm. 🙂 Well, priorities due get in the way..
Edwards is an advocate... the conduit through which the client seeks remedy. I see Lawyers not as $ gobbling self edifying ego driven scum.... but, well...... 😉 With out the attorney what would we have? They maintain the system. The jury awards limit law ought to be enacted to award JUST compensation is all cases..
Edwards is bright... and did do well by NC...
In terms of political strategy all the D candidates are pushing hard to differentiate themselves from each other and from Bush. One problem I've always had with Ds in general is that their campaigning is usually quite negative. That doesn't resonate with me very well but I understand it works for your average voter which is why mud-slinging is effective.
If Edwards helped to increase the cost of healthcare by making a living chasing ambulences (meaning, unjust/frivolous lawsuits seeking overly high damage rewards) then he's ineligible to receive my vote on that issue alone.
As for congress's perky health plan I hear the senate now wants public funding for a private gym. Wouldn't it be nice to have socialized gyms?
If Edwards helped to increase the cost of healthcare by making a living chasing ambulences (meaning, unjust/frivolous lawsuits seeking overly high damage rewards) then he's ineligible to receive my vote on that issue alone.
As for congress's perky health plan I hear the senate now wants public funding for a private gym. Wouldn't it be nice to have socialized gyms?
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