Edmunds Full Test: 2008 Dodge Caliber SRT-4

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http://www.edmunds.com/insidel...Tests/articleId=122859

We were hoping the 2008 Dodge Caliber SRT-4 was going to be a replacement for the wholly undiluted original SRT-4. A car we remember fondly through a haze of tire smoke. It was somehow more than the sum of its parts, and it turned a lowly, girlish Neon into a hedonistic device for the male of our species.

But this monument to overpowered front drivers isn't that.

After a week behind the wheel of the Dodge Caliber SRT-4, we've realized it's simply a steroid-enhanced version of Dodge's utilitarian Caliber. And that's like building a rocket-powered Pinto. Interesting exercise? Yup. Quick? No doubt. But do you want to drive it to work?

It's not that the Caliber SRT-4 doesn't have its good points, but the current crop of sport compacts is a tough crowd. To compete, cars need to be fast, comfortable and efficient ? big enough to haul a few friends, but small enough to scoot up a mountain road in good time. Occasionally they need to be an autocrosser and a cargo-hauler in the same day. And despite their speed, utility and features, they absolutely can't be pricey.

Few cars manage this feat. Even fewer, the SRT-4 among them, manage it well.

The Numbers Game
SRT vehicles always make impressive power numbers, so we got straight to the bottom of the Caliber's power claims by heading for the Dynojet chassis dyno at MD Automotive in Westminster, California. The Caliber's 2.4-liter four-cylinder engine is rated at a class-leading 285 horsepower, while its 265 pound-feet of torque is 15 lb-ft less than the Mazdaspeed 3. It redlines at 6,500 rpm and puts the power down through a six-speed transaxle driving the front wheels.

It didn't disappoint. Laying down three consistent pulls, it made 281 hp and 261 lb-ft of torque at the wheels, demonstrating that its power and torque ratings are quite conservative.

It also reinforced the fact that this five-door sends more power to the road than a long list of cars that cost twice as much.

At the Track
Dodge says the SRT-4 is good for 0-60 times in the "low 6-second range" and we verified that claim. Our car hit 60 in 6.2 seconds and went on to complete the quarter-mile in 14.6 seconds at 100 mph. The last Mazdaspeed 3 we tested was 0.1 second quicker in both tests. Launches were hampered by the "bog or boil" effect, where the engine either falls on its face or the tires spin uncontrollably. This is likely a drawback of the inertial effects of heavy wheels and tires.

Once out the gate, however, the gearing of the six-speed proved to be spot-on and the shifter rewards with tight action and short throws.

With 13.4-inch front and 11.9-inch rear brake rotors and 225/45R19 tires, we expected the Caliber to scrub off 60 mph in an impressively short distance. It did the deed in 124 feet ? 11 feet longer than the Mazdaspeed 3 and 3 feet longer than the Subaru WRX.

SRT chassis guru Herb Helbig told us that with stability control "disabled" (there is a button), its range of authority is opened enough to allow for hard driving ? we didn't ever perceive its intervention on the road ? but it still offers enough of a safety net to save a driver who gets in trouble.

Still, the Caliber's handling numbers aren't as good as they could be, given the ability to fully defeat its stability control (which can't be done). At 64.1 mph through the slalom and 0.81g around the skid pad, its handling numbers are at the bottom of the segment.

While at the track we compared the Caliber's "performance pages" display against our testing equipment. The car's computer measures acceleration, handling and braking, and displays those numbers on the dashboard. It proved optimistic. Acceleration was the most egregiously miscalculated. The car's computer claimed a 0-60 time of 5.7 seconds and a quarter-mile of 13.8 seconds ? much quicker than our numbers. By its estimation, lateral acceleration was 0.88g, considerably higher than the 0.81g we calculated.

Hard Drivin'
The Caliber spoke most honestly about its character when we flogged it in the mountains. Here, where there were no neighbors to upset, it was capable. Hustling through the bends at 8/10ths, its engine is superb and its chassis is well behaved. But there was one problem: It wasn't much fun.

This is mainly a result of it being just too damn heavy. At 3,248 pounds as tested, it's almost 100 pounds heavier than the porky Mazdaspeed 3 and 81 pounds heavier than the Subaru WRX, which packs an all-wheel-drive powertrain.

In the city, at daily pace, the ride is firm but comfortable and the car's portly curb weight gives it a locked-in secure feeling. You know, road-hugging weight and all that. But on a twisty road, we couldn't shake the sense that we were managing excessive mass. And the fact that you're sitting up high like you would in a crossover SUV only amplifies the feeling. It feels like you're tossing around Mom's Jeep Compass, which you are. The Caliber and the Compass share the same chassis.

The most obvious problems are the Caliber's huge, heavy wheels and tires. At 19 inches, they're unnecessarily large and they compromise the car's dynamics. Combined with little suspension travel, they limit the Caliber's abilities.

Its steering is quite responsive thanks to high spring rates and decent roll stiffness, but its ratio should be quicker. At 16.4:1 it's considerably slower than most of its competition, which means there's too much monkey motion behind the wheel.

Stuff They Missed
Then there's the torque steer. The tear-the-wheel-from-your-hands-with-the-violence-to-snap-knuckles torque steer.

Don't misunderstand. We know that any front-driver making this much power is going to suffer some torque-influenced directional challenges, but ? trust us on this one ? this is crazy. Despite being torque-limited in 1st and 2nd gear, the Caliber changes direction on the wildly erratic whim of physics. Mazda's solution to this problem on the Mazdaspeed 3 ? curtailing torque based on a combination of steering angle and gear selection ? works elegantly by comparison. And the Mazda makes more torque.

There are other problems. The Caliber utilizes a brake-lock differential that applies the brakes to whichever drive wheel is spinning. At corner exit it is effective at mitigating wheelspin, but doesn't inspire the same locked-to-the-road confidence we get from a mechanical limited-slip differential. Sure, the Caliber goes approximately where it's pointed, but it lacks the down-to-the-millimeter precision of a Mazdaspeed 3.

Add it all up and the Caliber SRT-4 doesn't offer the engaging at-the-limit character of much of its competition.

The Daily Drive
OK, OK, so most buyers will never take the Caliber SRT-4 to a track and most won't flog it relentlessly in the mountains. In the more conventional arena of everyday use, the Caliber performs adequately. It offers a modern, usable interior design and is big enough inside to carry people and cargo more comfortably than the Neon-based SRT-4.

Heavily bolstered bucket seats with cloth bottom and backrest cushioning hold the driver and passenger securely. The rear seats fold flat and we especially like the Caliber's retractable cargo cover, which offers get-the-hell-out-of-the way flexibility. We have reservations about its interior materials and assembly quality, however, which aren't up to the standards set by its Japanese competition.

The Boston Acoustics speakers and subwoofer that came as part of our test car's Preferred Package were impressive. In fact, with the MusicGate speakers folded down and the hatch open, it was loud enough to get us an invitation straight out of the parking lot where we were demonstrating its aural muscle.

Check Your Wallet
One of the pillars of every SRT product, according to SRT and Motorsports PR representative Kathy Graham, is bang for the buck. And SRT is justifiably proud of the Caliber SRT-4's value. Let's not forget that buyers still get a lot of power for the money.

The car before you rings up a $26,490 price tag (up from its $22,995 base price) thanks to its $150 Inferno Red Crystal paint, $915 Customer Preferred Package, $1,185 SRT Option Group II, $795 power-operated sunroof, $400 polished wheels and a $50 upcharge for the optional Goodyear F1 Supercar tires.

A similarly equipped Mazdaspeed 3 tallies about $900 less, while Subaru's all-wheel-drive Impreza WRX wagon with comparable features goes for $2,600 more.

Let's Be Honest
The first-generation SRT-4 sent a message about its intent as soon as the ignition was keyed. It was loud. It was stiff. It was fast. And when driven hard, it was honest ? a machine whose economy-car roots served its go-fast intentions very well.

It's harder to make that argument for the Caliber SRT-4. Mostly, this is due to the Caliber's too-tall, too-heavy platform, which simply isn't as well suited to a performance role as was the lighter, shorter, less expensive Neon.

The bottom line is this: We're glad the Caliber SRT-4 is around. It's capable enough for all but the most hard-core drivers, and it's certainly quick. Plus, without focused engineering teams like SRT we'd all be driving electric pods. But, for our money, we prefer the Mazdaspeed 3.

I'm interested in seeing the times that C&D or MT can get with this car... Unless this car is that hard to launch, I'd say that time is very slow for the power it's putting down. Maybe a 2nd gear clutch drop will yield better results :D

I don't see WHO in their right mind would buy this over a MS3...
 

Arkaign

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Yeah, this is going to be a short-lived disaster. Dodge needs to get their heads out of their asses. The new Avenger is another big dud, why are they making all of their cars look like nasty bricks? It makes no sense to me.
 

exdeath

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Sounds like it should be a touch over 300 HP / 300 ft-lbs if its putting down that much at the wheels.

Yeah I'm not a fan of the current "plastic brick with a fat bulbous plastic cross grill" look that Dodge uses on everything either.
 

overst33r

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Originally posted by: exdeath
Sounds like it should be a touch over 300 HP / 300 ft-lbs if its putting down that much at the wheels.

Yeah I'm not a fan of the current "plastic brick with a fat bulbous plastic cross grill" look that Dodge uses on everything either.

More like 330hp/305ftlb judging from the graph they provide and using ~15%, possibly even less with FWD.
 

exdeath

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Originally posted by: mariok2006
Originally posted by: exdeath
Sounds like it should be a touch over 300 HP / 300 ft-lbs if its putting down that much at the wheels.

Yeah I'm not a fan of the current "plastic brick with a fat bulbous plastic cross grill" look that Dodge uses on everything either.

More like 330hp/305ftlb judging from the graph they provide and using ~15%, possibly even less with FWD.

That would qualify as "a touch over 300 HP / 300 ft-lbs" ;)
 

exdeath

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Class leading small displacement OHC turbo 4 banger from Dodge, an American auto maker? And it gets over 100 HP/L for those that go by that criteria...

Not BMW, Mercedes, Honda, etc?

That article must be a lie! Everybody knows Dodges use 30 year old push rod truck 'motors' that get 5 HP/L.
 

mooncancook

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Originally posted by: exdeath
Originally posted by: mariok2006
Originally posted by: exdeath
Sounds like it should be a touch over 300 HP / 300 ft-lbs if its putting down that much at the wheels.

Yeah I'm not a fan of the current "plastic brick with a fat bulbous plastic cross grill" look that Dodge uses on everything either.

More like 330hp/305ftlb judging from the graph they provide and using ~15%, possibly even less with FWD.

That would qualify as "a touch over 300 HP / 300 ft-lbs" ;)

There are STI numbers. Weighing about the same, the STI goes to 60 in <5.0 sec though.
 

PricklyPete

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Originally posted by: exdeath
Class leading small displacement OHC turbo 4 banger from Dodge, an American auto maker? And it gets over 100 HP/L for those that go by that criteria...

Not BMW, Mercedes, Honda, etc?

That article must be a lie! Everybody knows Dodges use 30 year old push rod truck 'motors' that get 5 HP/L.

I realize you're being sarcastic. Wanted to note though that I believe this is the engine that DaimlerChrysler worked with Mitsubishi and Hyundai on (called the "World Engine"). I believe it is being used in the next EVO.

I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
 

Arkaign

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Originally posted by: exdeath
Class leading small displacement OHC turbo 4 banger from Dodge, an American auto maker? And it gets over 100 HP/L for those that go by that criteria...

Not BMW, Mercedes, Honda, etc?

That article must be a lie! Everybody knows Dodges use 30 year old push rod truck 'motors' that get 5 HP/L.

Well, the S2000's motor gets 100+hp/liter, and it's NA. Of course, you have to rev it to hell and beyond to make the thing go fast, and the power band is narrow, plus there's a lack of torque. I think the SRT-4's motor is a fine piece of work, it's the rest of the car that sucks. Imagine a car with the design quality of the civic (hell, even the quality of a Focus!), but with that motor :)

Cmon Dodge, you're close, you just need to fire the monkeys designing the body/interiors.
 

zerocool84

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Originally posted by: mooncancook
Originally posted by: exdeath
Originally posted by: mariok2006
Originally posted by: exdeath
Sounds like it should be a touch over 300 HP / 300 ft-lbs if its putting down that much at the wheels.

Yeah I'm not a fan of the current "plastic brick with a fat bulbous plastic cross grill" look that Dodge uses on everything either.

More like 330hp/305ftlb judging from the graph they provide and using ~15%, possibly even less with FWD.

That would qualify as "a touch over 300 HP / 300 ft-lbs" ;)

There are STI numbers. Weighing about the same, the STI goes to 60 in <5.0 sec though.

AWD>FWD..............

I have the original srt-4 and I thought this would be a worthy successor to it but so far it seems too watered down. There are some things on it which the original srt4 needed but others it didnt. I'm sorry but not having a LSD and replacing it with brakes instead just isnt right IMO and it's too heavy to compete in it's segment. Those HUGE 19" wheels weigh a lot which are hampering it from the get-go. The trap speeds on it certainly point to it being quick but it seems like the new Evo X, more amenities/electronics + more power + higher price tag doesnt not always equal to better car.
 

Arkaign

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Originally posted by: zerocool84
Originally posted by: mooncancook
Originally posted by: exdeath
Originally posted by: mariok2006
Originally posted by: exdeath
Sounds like it should be a touch over 300 HP / 300 ft-lbs if its putting down that much at the wheels.

Yeah I'm not a fan of the current "plastic brick with a fat bulbous plastic cross grill" look that Dodge uses on everything either.

More like 330hp/305ftlb judging from the graph they provide and using ~15%, possibly even less with FWD.

That would qualify as "a touch over 300 HP / 300 ft-lbs" ;)

There are STI numbers. Weighing about the same, the STI goes to 60 in <5.0 sec though.

AWD>FWD..............

I have the original srt-4 and I thought this would be a worthy successor to it but so far it seems too watered down. There are some things on it which the original srt4 needed but others it didnt. I'm sorry but not having a LSD and replacing it with brakes instead just isnt right IMO and it's too heavy to compete in it's segment. Those HUGE 19" wheels weigh a lot which are hampering it from the get-go. The trap speeds on it certainly point to it being quick but it seems like the new Evo X, more amenities/electronics + more power + higher price tag doesnt not always equal to better car.

^^^ Truth

I'm no fan of the neon, being a former owner of one of those rattletraps. But Neon SRT4 >>>>>>>>>>>> Caliber SRT-4. Btw, Zero's Neon is the nicest looking slick black Neon I've ever seen.
 

exdeath

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Originally posted by: PricklyPete
Originally posted by: exdeath
Class leading small displacement OHC turbo 4 banger from Dodge, an American auto maker? And it gets over 100 HP/L for those that go by that criteria...

Not BMW, Mercedes, Honda, etc?

That article must be a lie! Everybody knows Dodges use 30 year old push rod truck 'motors' that get 5 HP/L.

I realize you're being sarcastic. Wanted to note though that I believe this is the engine that DaimlerChrysler worked with Mitsubishi and Hyundai on (called the "World Engine"). I believe it is being used in the next EVO.

I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

The 2.4L used here and in the Neon SRT4 I believe was and engineered and manufactured from scratch in Mexico by Dodge. If anyone else had their hand in it it was just in the computer tuning and testing, nothing mechanical.

I also could be wrong, but thats the quickest info I dug up.
 

exdeath

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Originally posted by: Arkaign
Originally posted by: exdeath
Class leading small displacement OHC turbo 4 banger from Dodge, an American auto maker? And it gets over 100 HP/L for those that go by that criteria...

Not BMW, Mercedes, Honda, etc?

That article must be a lie! Everybody knows Dodges use 30 year old push rod truck 'motors' that get 5 HP/L.

Well, the S2000's motor gets 100+hp/liter, and it's NA. Of course, you have to rev it to hell and beyond to make the thing go fast, and the power band is narrow, plus there's a lack of torque. I think the SRT-4's motor is a fine piece of work, it's the rest of the car that sucks. Imagine a car with the design quality of the civic (hell, even the quality of a Focus!), but with that motor :)

Cmon Dodge, you're close, you just need to fire the monkeys designing the body/interiors.

Yeah, great engine, lame cars to put them in.

This is purely my subjective opinion as looks and style are individual preference.

But I think Dodge needs to 'sleeken' up their cars instead of these plastic bricks that look like they were sculpted by a 3 year old out of a bar of soap with a chisel. Seriously, it looks like there is no trim or detail and there are no body lines or anything, like the whole outer shell, bumpers and all, was just a single sheet of injection molded plastic.

The Challenger is excellent, but it's not a mass market car. But see what they can do design wise with the front end when they aren't obsessed with that single piece molded plastic fascia? They should put that much work into all their car designs.

The European Focus is also another step in the right direction. Why does Ford give us this ugly looking sedan for the new Focus while they have such a sexy Focus in Europe with metal accents, stitched leather, even the *back* seat is Recaro...

Same with the Ford cars in Australia.

It's not that American companies built lame cars, they just won't sell them in their own damn country, it's a shame.
 

zerocool84

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Originally posted by: exdeath
Originally posted by: PricklyPete
Originally posted by: exdeath
Class leading small displacement OHC turbo 4 banger from Dodge, an American auto maker? And it gets over 100 HP/L for those that go by that criteria...

Not BMW, Mercedes, Honda, etc?

That article must be a lie! Everybody knows Dodges use 30 year old push rod truck 'motors' that get 5 HP/L.

I realize you're being sarcastic. Wanted to note though that I believe this is the engine that DaimlerChrysler worked with Mitsubishi and Hyundai on (called the "World Engine"). I believe it is being used in the next EVO.

I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

The 2.4L used here and in the Neon SRT4 I believe was and engineered and manufactured from scratch in Mexico by Dodge. If anyone else had their hand in it it was just in the computer tuning and testing, nothing mechanical.

I also could be wrong, but thats the quickest info I dug up.

Yea you are right. The Neon 2.4L was used in some other things but wasnt a joint effort like the new world engine is. The new world engine seems pretty good N/A but since it's an open deck aluminum motor I'm sure it will have some problems holding higher power when boosted even with iron sleeving.
 

zerocool84

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Originally posted by: Arkaign
Originally posted by: zerocool84
Originally posted by: mooncancook
Originally posted by: exdeath
Originally posted by: mariok2006
Originally posted by: exdeath
Sounds like it should be a touch over 300 HP / 300 ft-lbs if its putting down that much at the wheels.

Yeah I'm not a fan of the current "plastic brick with a fat bulbous plastic cross grill" look that Dodge uses on everything either.

More like 330hp/305ftlb judging from the graph they provide and using ~15%, possibly even less with FWD.

That would qualify as "a touch over 300 HP / 300 ft-lbs" ;)

There are STI numbers. Weighing about the same, the STI goes to 60 in <5.0 sec though.

AWD>FWD..............

I have the original srt-4 and I thought this would be a worthy successor to it but so far it seems too watered down. There are some things on it which the original srt4 needed but others it didnt. I'm sorry but not having a LSD and replacing it with brakes instead just isnt right IMO and it's too heavy to compete in it's segment. Those HUGE 19" wheels weigh a lot which are hampering it from the get-go. The trap speeds on it certainly point to it being quick but it seems like the new Evo X, more amenities/electronics + more power + higher price tag doesnt not always equal to better car.

^^^ Truth

I'm no fan of the neon, being a former owner of one of those rattletraps. But Neon SRT4 >>>>>>>>>>>> Caliber SRT-4. Btw, Zero's Neon is the nicest looking slick black Neon I've ever seen.

Thanks :thumbsup: I've done so much more stuff to it, it looks like a different car now. Almost done.
 

exdeath

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Originally posted by: zerocool84
Originally posted by: Arkaign
Originally posted by: zerocool84
Originally posted by: mooncancook
Originally posted by: exdeath
Originally posted by: mariok2006
Originally posted by: exdeath
Sounds like it should be a touch over 300 HP / 300 ft-lbs if its putting down that much at the wheels.

Yeah I'm not a fan of the current "plastic brick with a fat bulbous plastic cross grill" look that Dodge uses on everything either.

More like 330hp/305ftlb judging from the graph they provide and using ~15%, possibly even less with FWD.

That would qualify as "a touch over 300 HP / 300 ft-lbs" ;)

There are STI numbers. Weighing about the same, the STI goes to 60 in <5.0 sec though.

AWD>FWD..............

I have the original srt-4 and I thought this would be a worthy successor to it but so far it seems too watered down. There are some things on it which the original srt4 needed but others it didnt. I'm sorry but not having a LSD and replacing it with brakes instead just isnt right IMO and it's too heavy to compete in it's segment. Those HUGE 19" wheels weigh a lot which are hampering it from the get-go. The trap speeds on it certainly point to it being quick but it seems like the new Evo X, more amenities/electronics + more power + higher price tag doesnt not always equal to better car.

^^^ Truth

I'm no fan of the neon, being a former owner of one of those rattletraps. But Neon SRT4 >>>>>>>>>>>> Caliber SRT-4. Btw, Zero's Neon is the nicest looking slick black Neon I've ever seen.

Thanks :thumbsup: I've done so much more stuff to it, it looks like a different car now. Almost done.

I think you should hide the exhaust and take off the SRT-4 badge ;)

Might have a problem hiding the FMIC though.

Seriously though, it is nice, got more pics?

And I may have asked many moons ago in a similar thread, but do you really have a full standalone AEM computer in there?
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: Arkaign
Yeah, this is going to be a short-lived disaster. Dodge needs to get their heads out of their asses. The new Avenger is another big dud, why are they making all of their cars look like nasty bricks? It makes no sense to me.

Yes, I noticed that too. I have bought two Intrepids and one Durango but Dodge/Chrysler now have no vehicles that appeal to me. Pretty sad! :(
 

Arkaign

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Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: Arkaign
Yeah, this is going to be a short-lived disaster. Dodge needs to get their heads out of their asses. The new Avenger is another big dud, why are they making all of their cars look like nasty bricks? It makes no sense to me.

Yes, I noticed that too. I have bought two Intrepids and one Durango but Dodge/Chrysler now have no vehicles that appeal to me. Pretty sad! :(

Heh, don't forget the Viper :p It's ALWAYS appealing, if a little overshadowed by the better balanced and better priced Z06.

I know what you mean though, the later-year Intrepids were very appealing cars for style & value. They were not the most reliable things on the road, but roomy, comfortable, and with decent fuel economy and options. The newer Dodge style just seems like they all come out of some cube-forming pooper machine.
 

Toastedlightly

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Hey zero, my brother finally finished his buildup. Wheel spin is so bad. Got a list of mods to your's?
 

Arkaign

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Originally posted by: Toastedlightly
Hey zero, my brother finally finished his buildup. Wheel spin is so bad. Got a list of mods to your's?

You're asking the right guy :) Fwiw, 18x10.5" wide slicks on the front should help
 

zerocool84

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Originally posted by: exdeath
Originally posted by: zerocool84
Originally posted by: Arkaign
Originally posted by: zerocool84
Originally posted by: mooncancook
Originally posted by: exdeath
Originally posted by: mariok2006
Originally posted by: exdeath
Sounds like it should be a touch over 300 HP / 300 ft-lbs if its putting down that much at the wheels.

Yeah I'm not a fan of the current "plastic brick with a fat bulbous plastic cross grill" look that Dodge uses on everything either.

More like 330hp/305ftlb judging from the graph they provide and using ~15%, possibly even less with FWD.

That would qualify as "a touch over 300 HP / 300 ft-lbs" ;)

There are STI numbers. Weighing about the same, the STI goes to 60 in <5.0 sec though.

AWD>FWD..............

I have the original srt-4 and I thought this would be a worthy successor to it but so far it seems too watered down. There are some things on it which the original srt4 needed but others it didnt. I'm sorry but not having a LSD and replacing it with brakes instead just isnt right IMO and it's too heavy to compete in it's segment. Those HUGE 19" wheels weigh a lot which are hampering it from the get-go. The trap speeds on it certainly point to it being quick but it seems like the new Evo X, more amenities/electronics + more power + higher price tag doesnt not always equal to better car.

^^^ Truth

I'm no fan of the neon, being a former owner of one of those rattletraps. But Neon SRT4 >>>>>>>>>>>> Caliber SRT-4. Btw, Zero's Neon is the nicest looking slick black Neon I've ever seen.

Thanks :thumbsup: I've done so much more stuff to it, it looks like a different car now. Almost done.

I think you should hide the exhaust and take off the SRT-4 badge ;)

Might have a problem hiding the FMIC though.

Seriously though, it is nice, got more pics?

And I may have asked many moons ago in a similar thread, but do you really have a full standalone AEM computer in there?

Actually my car is debaged. It looks really clean. My Big Front Mount Intercooler is shipped and on it's way and I am going to spray it black with some radiator paint to keep the blacked-out theme I am going with. My headlightlights/tails are blacked out but not with spray, they are blacked out bezels since I am not a fan of tinting lights to lessen the light output so they look different than in the pic. I just need to install my lowering springs and finally after 2 years get some damn tint which should all be done within the next 2 weeks since it is so hard to set aside a day to do things.

I do have an upgraded ECU but not a standalone. I wish I did. Too much $$$ right now. Exhaust is stock looking 3" since living in Commie Cali sux so I have it catted but since there is no muffler is still sounds mean. I would have wanted a side-exit but needed it to look stock. After I lower my car I am going to take off the huge rice wing to get less attention from people/cops.

After all that is done I will be saving up for a larger turbo.

Once I finish a couple more things I will definitely post up some pics within the next 2 weeks.
 

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I'll stick with my Neon version, thanks. Nice 50$ option for the tire upgrades though, a steal.
 

zerocool84

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A bad thing I think is that this is going to be the trend with all cars now, big and heavy with more electronics in them than MIT because of all the new regulations, which in turn will have to provide much more power to carry all that weight all the while providing better fuel economy. Automakers have some tough years ahead of them.
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: Arkaign
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: Arkaign
Yeah, this is going to be a short-lived disaster. Dodge needs to get their heads out of their asses. The new Avenger is another big dud, why are they making all of their cars look like nasty bricks? It makes no sense to me.

Yes, I noticed that too. I have bought two Intrepids and one Durango but Dodge/Chrysler now have no vehicles that appeal to me. Pretty sad! :(

Heh, don't forget the Viper :p It's ALWAYS appealing, if a little overshadowed by the better balanced and better priced Z06.

I know what you mean though, the later-year Intrepids were very appealing cars for style & value. They were not the most reliable things on the road, but roomy, comfortable, and with decent fuel economy and options. The newer Dodge style just seems like they all come out of some cube-forming pooper machine.


The reliablility thing is YMMV as both of my Intrepids have been fantastic in terms of issues. The only issue that I really had on both was that they seem to like to screw up rotors. And yes, they do get very good mpg. My current Intrepid averages 24 mpg (city/highway) and right at 30 on the highway. My wife loves the new Chrysler 300 but I think it sucks!