Info Edit-Trump's NY tax appeal arguments streamed. CNBC link provided. Update- Court says Congress can see tax documents.

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brycejones

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Can't find a link, but he's appealing to the SCOTUS. No surprise. So afraid of being exposed as a fraud.


His Lawyer:

The appeals court ruling gives a green light, in theory, for investigators to obtain the President's tax returns, but Trump's attorney Jay Sekulow said the President will continue his appeal.
"The decision of the Second Circuit will be taken to the Supreme Court," Sekulow said in a statement. "The issue raised in this case goes to the heart of our Republic. The constitutional issues are significant."

That's just fucking disgusting.
 

dainthomas

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This is Trump trying to get out of having to supply his returns to a NY grand jury by claiming that the President can't be investigated by anyone for anything while he is in office.

Even Kavanaugh should be able to peer through his Natty Light induced haze to see that the president doesn't get to decide what he can be investigated for. If the supreme court doesn't laugh this out of court, we now have an emperor.
 
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Ciber

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Even Kavanaugh should be able to peer through his Natty Light induced haze to see that the president doesn't get to decide what he can be investigated for. If the supreme court doesn't laugh this out of court, we now have an emperor.

My guess is that Thomas, Gorsuch, and the frat boy will side with trump and Roberts will side with RBG and the others in order to save his legacy from becoming a pile of flaming shit.

It would be glorious if they unanimously agree to tell trump to go pound sand, but I doubt it.
 
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Hayabusa Rider

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My guess is that Thomas, Gorsuch, and the frat boy will side with trump and Roberts will side with RBG and the others in order to save his legacy from becoming a pile of flaming shit.

It would be glorious if they unanimously agree to tell trump to go pound sand, but I doubt it.

Gorsuch may as he's stood up to Trump even before he was installed. Time will tell though, and that assumes there is a basis for the SCOTUS to considering the appeal.
 
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They are the best interns the law offices of Crazy Rudy had available.

The reality is they probably don't give a shit as long as they get paid. Since they are representing Trump though the joke is on them.
For all you want to bash them, where have they failed him on a criminal court?
 

Commodus

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Link doesn't work, I'm afraid, but here's NBC News' take.

The perpetually amusing bit of this lawsuit is that it accuses New York of using the law solely to obtain data that would embarrass Trump... so it's basically an admission that whatever tax data they'd obtain would be embarrassing.

My theory remains that Trump fights so hard to protect his tax returns because his entire ego rests upon them. He needs to perpetuate the illusion of the successful billionaire businessman because he has nothing else. If people have tangible proof that he's not as successful as he claims he is, especially if it involves fraud (highly likely given past evidence), he's just a shyster who took advantage of his daddy's money to build his brand.
 
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SMOGZINN

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He is just flat out abusing the courts at this point, gaming the system to delay as long as possible.

That is all this has ever been about. None of these lawsuits have any legal merit. The only reason the courts are entertaining this at all is because he is the President. Anyone else would have had all of these cases summarily dismissed and denied appeal.
 

fskimospy

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do circuit courts write majority/minority opinions like SCOTUS? I wonder what the argument of the minority was

Also, eagerly waiting for SCOTUS to let the circuit court ruling stand

The argument of the minority was that if Congress wishes to investigate criminal wrongdoing by the president it must do so through impeachment, not through normal oversight.

There is of course literally nothing in the law or the constitution that says this, Rao just made it up.
 

SMOGZINN

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The argument of the minority was that if Congress wishes to investigate criminal wrongdoing by the president it must do so through impeachment, not through normal oversight.

There is of course literally nothing in the law or the constitution that says this, Rao just made it up.

That was only one of the minority opinions the other one was that the entire 11 judge panel of the appellate court needs to hear the entire case again, restarted from scratch, presumable because the important legal matter before the court was that the Administration needs to delay as long as possible. You really can't make this stuff up.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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The argument of the minority was that if Congress wishes to investigate criminal wrongdoing by the president it must do so through impeachment, not through normal oversight.

There is of course literally nothing in the law or the constitution that says this, Rao just made it up.
*spits out his indian lunch* seriously? What the shit?
 

simpletron

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do circuit courts write majority/minority opinions like SCOTUS? I wonder what the argument of the minority was

Also, eagerly waiting for SCOTUS to let the circuit court ruling stand
If you clicked on the Voted 8-3 near the end of the article, It would of taken you to the circuit court's order which has the two dissenting opinions and no majority opinion. here is a direct link https://www.cadc.uscourts.gov/inter...374852584B100822F92/$file/19-5142-1815681.pdf

Katsas argument is trying to extend some Presidential immunity to personal records even through there is no executive privilege asserted.

Rao argument is basically a delaying technicality of the subpoena should use Congress’s judicial powers (impeachment) instead the Congress’s legislative power to get the committee to reissue the subpoena and come back for some new bullshit.
 

Sunburn74

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I think there is zero chance the SCOTUS even looks at this case. Its a ridiculous argument on the part of the plaintiff and the federal courts have been in agreement consistently.
 

Commodus

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I can't help but wonder why Trump thinks stalling is going to help. He does realize that, assuming the SCOTUS either refuses to hear the case or rules against him, the truth will likely still come out before the election?

Then again, Trump isn't particularly astute to begin with. I imagine that he's driven more by his fear of being caught than anything.
 
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cytg111

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He is stalling. When will the SC opine on this? At the earlist?
Also, if SC sides with him. Jfc. If the SC sides with him ... is the POTUS then immune from ... everything? Cause that would follow right?
He is asking the SC if he is King.
 
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He is stalling. When will the SC opine on this? At the earlist?
Also, if SC sides with him. Jfc. If the SC sides with him ... is the POTUS then immune from ... everything? Cause that would follow right?
He is asking the SC if he is King.

I suspect the SC will refuse to hear the case. Leaves options open for later.
#bothsides