Edit: How to run multiple DSL lines? (see bottom posts)

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: AnyMal

Originally posted by: Heisenberg
If you have two phone lines then yes, technically you could have two DSL lines. You could then set up a box to use both connections at once.

I may be wrong but... The phone cable has four wires, two of which are dedicated to telephone service and leaving a free pair for either another phone line or DSL.. No?

That cant be right because you have to install line filters on between the DSL modem and the phone thats on the same line, to prevent interference. Right?

 

[Soybomb]

Just work out the problems with your current ISP. I can't believe verizon's dns servers are all down that frequently. You can setup your own quite easily though, so just do that. Also call your ISP and have them take a look at your line condition and see if there are any problems with the circuit that are causing you the problems.

 

[BadNewsBears]

RUn the cat 5 cables from your modems into two lan card in your comp then bridge the connection in network connections

 

[rahvin]

A few people hinted at the real issue that you have failed to grasp.

When you buy a DSL line all you are buying is a digitial high speed connection from YOU to the telephone CO. After your highspeed digital siginal reaches the telephone central office it has to go somewhere or it doesn't have much value. What you are paying your ISP for is that connection from the CO to the Internet (the gateway as you are refering to it). To duplicate this functionality you would need to buy a T1 connection, a CSU/DSU and a router.

In trying to find a more reliable internet connection your best bet is to set up a linux router on your side and have it run a caching DNS server and any other services you need. Using the Linux router you can use packet scheduling and "bond" two internet connections together if you desire redundant connections but the simple fact is that if your ISP is unreliable switch to a different ISP. If you are having issues with local ISP's switch to Verizon as your ISP.

 

[MegaloManiaK]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: AnyMal

Originally posted by: Heisenberg
If you have two phone lines then yes, technically you could have two DSL lines. You could then set up a box to use both connections at once.

I may be wrong but... The phone cable has four wires, two of which are dedicated to telephone service and leaving a free pair for either another phone line or DSL.. No?

That cant be right because you have to install line filters on between the DSL modem and the phone thats on the same line, to prevent interference. Right?

First of all, the phone company runs hundreds of lines when they bury things, ever had a phone problem and someone fix it? they switched you to a "free pair" out of the ones already there. Unless you live in the styx There is no extra cableing to run outside of your house. If you purchased a second line they would simply go out, open the nearest crossbox and find a set of cables that aren't being used, and run them up to your NID outside the house. Inside you *Could* use the free pair for a second line, but i wouldn't do it for DSL line. Cat 5 cable uses 3 or 4 lines out of the 8 and the rest are to cut down on crosstalk to reduce signal loss. If you run two high frequency lines in the same insulation without any shielding you are just asking to lose signal quality. Running a seperate line wouldn't be hard, if you go to the NID there are 4 poles for each line that comes in (mine has 4 spots for up to 4 lines) You just wire new cables up to the poles and run the line, its not that hard, just keep in mind one thing, most places share teleco equipment, around here if you get DSL provider A and your neighbor gets DSL provider B they both use the same teleco equipment its just that provider A maintains the equipment and B leases the space. If your problems are network related then getting two differnet providers is a great idea. If you are having DSL equipment problems, I.E. slow speeds, then you will have the same problem.

As for the hardware the word you are looking for is "bond" you want to bond two ethernet connections into one (2 dsl modems with ethernet output) Cisco Switches

The Catalyst 2924M XL will be deployed in wiring closets to aggregate workgroup networking devices such as Fast Ethernet hubs, Ethernet hubs and switches, and workgroup servers. Fast EtherChannel technology allows customers to logically `bond" multiple Fast Ethernet links, creating a high-capacity uplink to the corporate or campus backbone. Future high-speed modules will allow customers the flexibility to upgrade their networks and preserve their initial investment in the Catalyst 2924M XL.

As far as what equipment you really want to use, and how much it costs, beats the L out of me, i haven't the money to do things like that. Hope this helped some.

<---- Former DSL tech.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Munchies
RUn the cat 5 cables from your modems into two lan card in your comp then bridge the connection in network connections

Thank you. Thats what i needed to know.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: rahvin
A few people hinted at the real issue that you have failed to grasp.

When you buy a DSL line all you are buying is a digitial high speed connection from YOU to the telephone CO. After your highspeed digital siginal reaches the telephone central office it has to go somewhere or it doesn't have much value. What you are paying your ISP for is that connection from the CO to the Internet (the gateway as you are refering to it). To duplicate this functionality you would need to buy a T1 connection, a CSU/DSU and a router.

In trying to find a more reliable internet connection your best bet is to set up a linux router on your side and have it run a caching DNS server and any other services you need. Using the Linux router you can use packet scheduling and "bond" two internet connections together if you desire redundant connections but the simple fact is that if your ISP is unreliable switch to a different ISP. If you are having issues with local ISP's switch to Verizon as your ISP.

The only problem is there are no reliable connections in my area. So redundant connections are the only thing i can think of without going to Fiber.

 

[Cerebus451]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Edit: If i can work out installing 2 DSL lines, what software/hardware do i run to utilize both connections?

This product from Nexland claims to allow you to utilize multiple broadband connections simultaneously. I have not used it, so I cannot say for certain how well it works.

 

[Acanthus]

Honest question, running a win2k proxy server that has 3 lan cards, i could bridge the internet connections in windows, and run the 3rd line to my router? That seems kinda obvious. But it would be the easiest way i know of?

 

[Soybomb]

The only problem is there are no reliable connections in my area.

You're still not grasping here Call and complain about your service, these are correctable problems. If you're having issues with every provider, I'd guess its the line quality which isn't going to change from provider to provider but can be fixed.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Soybomb

The only problem is there are no reliable connections in my area.

You're still not grasping here Call and complain about your service, these are correctable problems. If you're having issues with every provider, I'd guess its the line quality which isn't going to change from provider to provider but can be fixed.

I didnt think i should have to tell you the problems ive had in the last 3 years with multiple DSL providers in the area. None of them are line quality issues, the entire companys DSL network goes down due to DNS/Gateway problems. I have called my provider, they tell you nothing more than "we are having a problem and are working on it".

Edit: the last time i had a problem was yesterday, when my provider (Stargate) had all 3 of its DNS servers go down for 9 hours+ The entire city of Erie and most of Pittsburghs DSL service through them was out.

 

[Mutilator]

You know you can just manually enter in another DNS server in your network settings right? I did that once using my work DNS server at home on my RR account with no problem. I think there are a few "public" DNS servers out there that you can use... I want to say there was 8 main ones or something like that... or you could just get someone to "ipconfig /all" and give you their DNS servers to try.

This is all assuming your problem truely is the DNS servers going down... IE you can still ping IP addresses. If that's the case then go play a game because you don't need DNS for that.

 

[Acanthus]

I was able to ping my gateway, but all 3 DNS servers were down. I dont know the IPs of any other DNS servers or i definately woulda tried that.

Any networking gurus know the answer to my Proxy question above?

 

[Acanthus]

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[Acanthus]

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[TommyVercetti]

Hey just an idea. Ask this question on Slashdot.org. Your question might make it to the front page. Be clear what you are asking about, and I am sure someone will help you.

 

[Rogue]

Uh, the other guy is right. If you're running an NT based Windows, simply go to a command prompt and type "nslookup www.yahoo.com" and it will spit back the name server for Yahoo.com (or any other domain you wish). Enter that in your network connections manually as a DNS server and make use of it rather than your ISP's DNS server(s) if they're the problem. Either that, or just use the IP address(es) of your favorite websites and quit being a wimp. Real men use IP addresses anyway.

 

[rahvin]

Originally posted by: Rogue
Uh, the other guy is right. If you're running an NT based Windows, simply go to a command prompt and type "nslookup www.yahoo.com" and it will spit back the name server for Yahoo.com (or any other domain you wish). Enter that in your network connections manually as a DNS server and make use of it rather than your ISP's DNS server(s) if they're the problem. Either that, or just use the IP address(es) of your favorite websites and quit being a wimp. Real men use IP addresses anyway.

Don't do lookups on other people's DNS's without permision outside the domain it's a primary for.

God man, type public DNS into google.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: rahvin

Originally posted by: Rogue
Uh, the other guy is right. If you're running an NT based Windows, simply go to a command prompt and type "nslookup www.yahoo.com" and it will spit back the name server for Yahoo.com (or any other domain you wish). Enter that in your network connections manually as a DNS server and make use of it rather than your ISP's DNS server(s) if they're the problem. Either that, or just use the IP address(es) of your favorite websites and quit being a wimp. Real men use IP addresses anyway.

Don't do lookups on other people's DNS's without permision outside the domain it's a primary for.

God man, type public DNS into google.

Neither of these posts are constructive.