Edit: How to run multiple DSL lines? (see bottom posts)

[Acanthus]

Hi guys, ive been having reliability issues with EVERY PROVIDER IN THE CITY. And was wondering what it would take to become my own ISP. XDSL would be strongly preferred. I just need to know what networking equipment / hardware / software it would take to accomplish this.

Currently the setup i have is i pay for using verizons lines ($25 a month) and pay Stargate ($35 a month) seperately to use their DNS servers and a gateway. My question is can i set up my own DNS and Gateway, and provide the internet to myself negating the $35 cost to stargate, and bypassing their horrible DNS servers (they were down for 11 hours Solid today).

I did a google search and couldnt find any relevant info. TY in advance.

PS: i have an enormous amount of hardware and networking equipment at my disposal so thats not an issue.

 

[guyver01]

just sign up for a T1 service... it's only a few thousand a month, and the reliability is built into the contract.

 

[Acanthus]

Not looking to spend $18000 a year on internet service

 

[halik]

heh unless you have an enrormous amount of cash on hand, stick to your verizon lines.

If you dont know how to do it to begin with, it will never happen. You need dns server, a massive backbone (no not t1 which is basically cable both ways), DNS server, Mail server, SQL server for user data, all the telco stuff to get the DSL part going, gateway server and tons of time to support/configure/administrate it.


Plus you will need a merchant account, billing system, quotas for user bandwith/email bandwith, spam filters so you dont get dropped by your provider or even worse if you get on a black list. Plus technical support for users, phone line for the users and probably 10 other things that i cant think of right now

 

[Nocturnal]

It's really not worth it if you don't already know what you're doing.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: halik
heh unless you have an enrormous amount of cash on hand, stick to your verizon lines.

If you dont know how to do it to begin with, it will never happen. You need dns server, a massive backbone (no not t1 which is basically cable both ways), DNS server, Mail server, SQL server for user data, all the telco stuff to get the DSL part going, gateway server, tons of time to support/configure/administrate it.

I have the books, and some MS training. (yea i know it doesnt matter). I dont need a massive backbone if im the only user, dont need a mail server ill just use hotmail or the like. Basically I would need my own DNS server, and proxy, and a gateway? I just need to know where to start

PS: i have lots of time, laid off.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: halik
heh unless you have an enrormous amount of cash on hand, stick to your verizon lines.

If you dont know how to do it to begin with, it will never happen. You need dns server, a massive backbone (no not t1 which is basically cable both ways), DNS server, Mail server, SQL server for user data, all the telco stuff to get the DSL part going, gateway server and tons of time to support/configure/administrate it.


Plus you will need a merchant account, billing system, quotas for user bandwith/email bandwith, spam filters so you dont get dropped by your provider or even worse if you get on a black list. Plus technical support for users, phone line for the users and probably 10 other things that i cant think of right now

I dont think ill need anything in the second paragraph, i want to be my own ISP, not a local ISP. Im the only customer

 

[aphex]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: halik
heh unless you have an enrormous amount of cash on hand, stick to your verizon lines.

If you dont know how to do it to begin with, it will never happen. You need dns server, a massive backbone (no not t1 which is basically cable both ways), DNS server, Mail server, SQL server for user data, all the telco stuff to get the DSL part going, gateway server and tons of time to support/configure/administrate it.


Plus you will need a merchant account, billing system, quotas for user bandwith/email bandwith, spam filters so you dont get dropped by your provider or even worse if you get on a black list. Plus technical support for users, phone line for the users and probably 10 other things that i cant think of right now

I dont think ill need anything in the second paragraph, i want to be my own ISP, not a local ISP. Im the only customer

Its still gonna be thousands a month.... Welcome to reality

 

[nsafreak]

Well it is possible to setup your own DNS servers, know some folks that do it for redundancy's sake. Just look up some DNS howtos over at www.tldp.org to get started. Insofar as the gateways go you're out of luck unless you lease a T1 line which requires its own set of expensive equipment.

 

[MeanMeosh]

ok... i dunno about your city, but in austin, a t1 line can be had for something like $400 a month. that's what the ads say, anyway. i'm pretty sure that doesn't include any equipment you need.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: nsafreak
Well it is possible to setup your own DNS servers, know some folks that do it for redundancy's sake. Just look up some DNS howtos over at www.tldp.org to get started. Insofar as the gateways go you're out of luck unless you lease a T1 line which requires its own set of expensive equipment.

This is actually an idea that will work for me, if i set up my own DNS servers and my ISPs go down, can i remain online with my own and use their gateway still? All day today i could ping my gateway, but all 3 DNS servers were down.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: aphex

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: halik
heh unless you have an enrormous amount of cash on hand, stick to your verizon lines.

If you dont know how to do it to begin with, it will never happen. You need dns server, a massive backbone (no not t1 which is basically cable both ways), DNS server, Mail server, SQL server for user data, all the telco stuff to get the DSL part going, gateway server and tons of time to support/configure/administrate it.


Plus you will need a merchant account, billing system, quotas for user bandwith/email bandwith, spam filters so you dont get dropped by your provider or even worse if you get on a black list. Plus technical support for users, phone line for the users and probably 10 other things that i cant think of right now

I dont think ill need anything in the second paragraph, i want to be my own ISP, not a local ISP. Im the only customer

Its still gonna be thousands a month.... Welcome to reality

Why do i need a fiber backbone?

 

[Trygve]

I have two T1s out here, 23 dialup lines, newsfeed, etc.--and that runs about $1,200/month, more-or-less. The power bill for the servers runs between $200 and $300 per month, so that's getting up there with the cost of a T1.

The equipment to handle a T1 is dirt cheap these days. I'm using a pair of Cisco 3620 routers (only one runs at a time; the other is backup) which cost a little extra, but I have a few shelving units full of extra routers and CSU/DSUs that are perfectly adequate and have a resale value of about five bucks on ebay these days.

Now, what Acanthus was talking about doing could be accomplished with nothing more than a simple general-purpose server and a static IP, but you still have the issue of the reliability of your upstream provider, unless you want to establish a diversity of upstream connections and that makes everything a little more complicated.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Trygve
I have two T1s out here, 23 dialup lines, newsfeed, etc.--and that runs about $1,200/month, more-or-less. The power bill for the servers runs between $200 and $300 per month, so that's getting up there with the cost of a T1.

The equipment to handle a T1 is dirt cheap these days. I'm using a pair of Cisco 3620 routers (only one runs at a time; the other is backup) which cost a little extra, but I have a few shelving units full of extra routers and CSU/DSUs that are perfectly adequate and have a resale value of about five bucks on ebay these days.

Now, what Acanthus was talking about doing could be accomplished with nothing more than a simple general-purpose server and a static IP, but you still have the issue of the reliability of your upstream provider, unless you want to establish a diversity of upstream connections and that makes everything a little more complicated.

Alright what if i went this path, Verizon and Stargate are the 2 DSL providers in my area. What if i got 2 DSL lines? Would i be able to utilize both lines and when one goes down still be able to use the other? Is there software/hardware that can handle utilizing concurrent connections? I can see this as being an easy method of getting redundency. If i leased 2 768/256 lines from the 2 IPs. Not to mention doubling my bandwidth if that is a possibilility.

Edit: this would keep me under $100/mo too

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Alright what if i went this path, Verizon and Stargate are the 2 DSL providers in my area. What if i got 2 DSL lines? Would i be able to utilize both lines and when one goes down still be able to use the other? Is there software/hardware that can handle utilizing concurrent connections? I can see this as being an easy method of getting redundency. If i leased 2 768/256 lines from the 2 IPs. Not to mention doubling my bandwidth if that is a possibilility.

Edit: this would keep me under $100/mo too

no, DSL uses a specific frequency range on your telephone line

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Alright what if i went this path, Verizon and Stargate are the 2 DSL providers in my area. What if i got 2 DSL lines? Would i be able to utilize both lines and when one goes down still be able to use the other? Is there software/hardware that can handle utilizing concurrent connections? I can see this as being an easy method of getting redundency. If i leased 2 768/256 lines from the 2 IPs. Not to mention doubling my bandwidth if that is a possibilility.

Edit: this would keep me under $100/mo too

no, DSL uses a specific frequency range on your telephone line

adding another line? thats only like $20/mo here.

 

[Acanthus]

changed title

 

[Heisenberg]

If you have two phone lines then yes, technically you could have two DSL lines. You could then set up a box to use both connections at once.

 

[chiwawa626]

wouldnt u be able to find a better sdsl provider for 100 a month rather then running 2 lines? If u want to run 2 lines just get 2 fone lines and thats bout it

 

[Lithium381]

have you considered satillite?

 

[AnyMal]

Originally posted by: Heisenberg
If you have two phone lines then yes, technically you could have two DSL lines. You could then set up a box to use both connections at once.

I may be wrong but... The phone cable has four wires, two of which are dedicated to telephone service and leaving a free pair for either another phone line or DSL.. No?

 

[Heisenberg]

Originally posted by: AnyMal

Originally posted by: Heisenberg
If you have two phone lines then yes, technically you could have two DSL lines. You could then set up a box to use both connections at once.

I may be wrong but... The phone cable has four wires, two of which are dedicated to telephone service and leaving a free pair for either another phone line or DSL.. No?

Hmm...good point. I guess you'd need to run a separate second line to the house. I'm not sure how that would work, or if it's possible.

Edit: If he's really hell-bent on doing this, then maybe cable+DSL would be a better idea.

 

[AnyMal]

Originally posted by: Heisenberg

Originally posted by: AnyMal

Originally posted by: Heisenberg
If you have two phone lines then yes, technically you could have two DSL lines. You could then set up a box to use both connections at once.

I may be wrong but... The phone cable has four wires, two of which are dedicated to telephone service and leaving a free pair for either another phone line or DSL.. No?

Hmm...good point. I guess you'd need to run a separate second line to the house. I'm not sure how that would work, or if it's possible.

I am fairly sure it's possible, but he better be ready to pay out of his butt since his local telco has monopoly on this kind of service.

 

[Heisenberg]

Originally posted by: AnyMal
I am fairly sure it's possible, but he better be ready to pay out of his butt since his local telco has monopoly on this kind of service.

Yeah, I would imagine running another line isn't cheap at all. Especially if the line's underground or something. As I added above, the easiest way would probably be DSL+cable.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Heisenberg

Originally posted by: AnyMal
I am fairly sure it's possible, but he better be ready to pay out of his butt since his local telco has monopoly on this kind of service.

Yeah, I would imagine running another line isn't cheap at all. Especially if the line's underground or something. As I added above, the easiest way would probably be DSL+cable.

The Cable service out here is adelphia powerlink, the throughput at prime time is less than 56k.

Putting in a second phone line doesnt cost anything out here... Like $70 installation from the pole. Not an issue. SDSL isnt offered here. My only choices are Adelphia powerlink, Verizon ADSL, or Stargate DSL.

I havent considered Sat because although the throughput is good, the latency is horrible, and i game a lot.

Edit: If i can work out installing 2 DSL lines, what software/hardware do i run to utilize both connections?