roger clemons will retire soon, rickey henderson, palmero will..
also the HOF does not have to elect members every year, so its like like players are competeing with each other to get spots directly.
roger clemons will retire soon, rickey henderson, palmero will..
also the HOF does not have to elect members every year, so its like like players are competeing with each other to get spots directly.
If Edgar Martinez isn't a HOF type hitter, then who is? Statistically he was one of the greatest hitters in the game. His DH position will probably keep him out of the HOF, but he deserves to get in, IMO.
see my list above...
the baseball HOF only elects the elite of the game, edgar was good but is not in the caliber of the players i mentioned.
Well statistically, he is pretty close. I was only responding to the 'HOF type hitter' comment. However, taking into account the fact that he was mainly a DH, he probably won't get into the HOF. However, I'd say that he deserves it. As I said earlier:
74th highest batting average of all time
17th highest OBP of all time
25th highest OPS of all time
52nd highest SLG of all time
33rd highest OPS+ of all time!
anxi80
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im kind of agreeing with both you guys. im not denying that those guys listed are going to the hall, and to be honest, i think edgar's numbers are decent enough to let him slip through the door crack to get in, but the fact that he became a primary designated hitter almost 10 years ago, a position not very popular, will more than likely cause him to be overlooked.
reasons he will be:
RM, showed his stats, which are very amazing considering its ALL TIME.
reason he won be:
DH for most of his career
becasue he was a very low key player, he was never seen as "best" (this i think hurts his chances alot)
What percentage of the people ahead of him in each of those categories made it to the HOF?
Where did you get those statistics?
Baseballreference.com
Below are the top 32 ranks in terms of OPS+:
1. Babe Ruth
2. Ted Williams
3. Barry Bonds
Lou Gehrig
5. Rogers Hornsby
6. Mickey Mantle
7. Dan Brouthers
Joe Jackson
9. Ty Cobb+
10. Jimmie Foxx+
Mark McGwire
12. Pete Browning
Frank Thomas
14. Dave Orr
15. Stan Musial
16. Hank Greenberg
Johnny Mize
Tris Speaker
19. Manny Ramirez
20. Dick Allen
Willie Mays
22. Hank Aaron
Joe DiMaggio
Mel Ott
25. Roger Connor
Frank Robinson
27. Jeff Bagwell
Mike Piazza
29. Ed Delahanty
Jason Giambi
Charlie Keller
32. Edgar Martinez
Jim Thome
Note that players such as Piazza, Bagwell, Giambi, Thome, etc. will drop down as they play more seasons where they are not as productive.
Of this list, Shoeless Joe Jackson (banned), Pete Browning (late 1800's player), David Orr (didn't play much), Dick Allen (I believe that he was basically HATED by the media), and Charlie Keller (who didn't really play too long) are not in the HOF. Dick Allen might be the best hitter in the more modern era not in the HOF.
GagHalfrunt
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No, he wasn't a baseball player, he was a baseball hitter. Baseball "players" are able to field a position and help their team on both offense and defense. Career designated hitters are not fit to carry the jockstrap of baseball players.
Here are the top players in career OBP:
1. Ted Williams
2. Babe Ruth
3. John McGraw
4. Billy Hamilton
5. Lou Gehrig
6. Bill Joyce
7. Rogers Hornsby
8. Barry Bonds
9. Ty Cobb
10. Frank Thomas
11. Jimmie Foxx
12. Tris Speaker
13. Todd Helton
14. Eddie Collins
15. Ferris Fain
16. Dan Brouthers
17. Edgar Martinez
All but Bill Joyce and Ferris Fain, both of which played less than 10 seasons, are in the HOF if they are retired.
1. Ted Williams
2. Babe Ruth
3. John McGraw
4. Billy Hamilton
5. Lou Gehrig
6. Bill Joyce
7. Rogers Hornsby
8. Barry Bonds
9. Ty Cobb
10. Frank Thomas
11. Jimmie Foxx
12. Tris Speaker
13. Todd Helton
14. Eddie Collins
15. Ferris Fain
16. Dan Brouthers
17. Edgar Martinez
All but Bill Joyce and Ferris Fain, both of which played less than 10 seasons, are in the HOF if they are retired.
I still remember the double he hit down the left field line to win the '95 ALDS against the Yankees, scoring Griffey from first base.
He was one hell of a hitter and I loved rooting for him along with the Mariners in the mid 90s during the playoffs vs. the Yankees. I really good hitter with a good attitude. He'll surely be missed.
KoolAidKid
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That was most definitely the most exciting sports moment that I have witnessed.
BTW, ESPN appears to have changed their statement. Edgar is now retiring at the end of the year.
My dad was a hardcore Yankee fan. I was 8 or 9 at the time. I rooted against him for fun. That double has made me a Mariner fan for life.
I hope he gets into the HOF, or at least, gets his number retired in Seattle.
People overlook the fact the although he played the majority of his career as a Dh he did STArT over 900 games at third base.
I think he should be in the HOF not only because of his numbers (which stand on their own) but also because of who he is as a person. Pete Rose is being kept out for his lack of class, why dosen't this type of thinking go the other way?
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I think he should be in the HOF not only because of his numbers (which stand on their own) but also because of who he is as a person. Pete Rose is being kept out for his lack of class, why dosen't this type of thinking go the other way?
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a.) he did start third base for quite a few years and played it every now and then as needed
b.) whether or not he was a DH doesn't necessarily say anything about his ability to contribute defensively... the same hitter playing for a team with other great fielders might play DH whereas playing for a team with really crappy fielders, he'd be in the field. is the former any more of a player than the latter simply for playing for a defensively worse team?
c.) do you consider AL pitchers to also not be baseball players? :roll:
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