Ecuador Gets Chavez'd

Votingisanillusion

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From BBC's best investigative journalist, Greg Palast, good news for the people of Ecuador, but bad news for US multinationals and Wall Street: one more president in Latin America cares for his people! He was a heart doctor, let us hope he will show he has a good heart, too. Condienotnice hates him already!

http://www.gregpalast.com/index.cfm

George Bush has someone new to hate. Only twenty-four hours after Ecuador's new president took his oath of office, he was hit by a diplomatic cruise missile fired all the way from Lithuania by Condoleezza Rice, then wandering about Eastern Europe spreading "democracy." Condi called for "a constitutional process to get to elections," which came as a bit of a shock to the man who'd already been constitutionally elected, Alfredo Palacio.

What had Palacio done to get our Secretary of State's political knickers in a twist? It's the oil--and the bonds. This nation of only 13 million souls at the world's belly button is rich, sitting on 4.4 billion barrels of known oil reserves, and probably much more. Yet 60 percent of its citizens live in brutal poverty; a lucky minority earn the "minimum" wage of $153 a month.

The obvious solution--give the oil money to the Ecuadoreans without money--runs smack up against paragraph III-1 of the World Bank's 2003 Structural Adjustment Program Loan. The diktat is marked "FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY," which "may not be disclosed" without World Bank authorization. TheNation.com has obtained a copy.

The secret loan terms require Ecuador to pay bondholders 70 percent of the revenue received from any spike in the price of oil. The result: Ecuador must give up the big bucks from the Iraq War oil price surge. Another 20 percent of the oil windfall is set aside for "contingencies" (i.e., later payments to bondholders). The document specifies that Ecuador may keep only 10 percent of new oil revenue for expenditures on social services.

I showed President Palacio the World Bank documents. He knew their terms well. "If we pay that amount of debt," he told me, "we're dead. We have to survive." He argued, with logic, "If we die, who is going to pay them?"

We met two weeks ago in the Carondelet Palace, where, on April 20, his predecessor had disappeared out the back door to seek asylum in Brazil. A crowd of 100,000 protesters had surrounded the building, seeking the arrest of fugitive president Lucio Gutierrez.

"Sucio Lucio" (Dirty Lucio, as the graffiti tags him) had won election in 2002 promising to break away from the supposedly voluntary austerity plan imposed by the World Bank. Then, within a month of taking office, Gutierrez flew to Washington. There he held hands with George Bush (a photo infamous in Quito), and US Treasury officials instructed him in the financial facts of life. Lucio returned to Quito, reneged on his campaign promises and tightened the austerity measures, including raising the price of cooking gas. The public, after a dispirited delay, revolted. After Lucio fled last month, the nation's congress recognized the vacancy in Ecuador's Oval Office and filled it with the elected vice president, in accordance with the Constitution.

Given the oil windfall, Palacio sees no need to follow Gutierrez's path to economic asphyxiation. "It is impossible that they condemn us not to have health, not to have education," he told me. He made it clear that handing over 90 percent of his nation's new oil wealth would not stand.

That's not what the Bush Administration wanted to hear. Besides Condi's attack, Palacio got the full "Chávez" treatment from the New York Times, which ran the headline "Ecuador's New Chief Picks Cabinet; Leftist in Economic Post" after Palacio's new finance minister announced Ecuador would put social-services programs first ahead of payments to bondholders. The Times said Palacio's views "ruffled some feathers" (whose, we don't know) and that foreign powers questioned the "legitimacy" of his right to office. Palacio smiled, "They don't say which ones."


Palacio seems an unlikely target of US official assaults. He comes off like a cardiologist you'd meet at an AMA convention. That is, in fact, what he is: a heart doctor who practiced in the United States for a decade, a man outside politics, affiliated with no party, brought in by Gutierrez to build a national health program. Hugo Chávez he is not: Palacio is conservative, pro-market, pro-American, but his patient, his nation, is in bad shape.

"Sick people are not going to produce anything," he said.

I knew he'd been taken aback by Rice's blast. Indeed, when an earlier president was removed for mental incompetence, the United States had insisted on the vice president taking office. But, unlike Palacio, that vice president, Gustavo Noboa, was a rightist who was happy to sign off on all World Bank terms, including the devastating decision in January 2000 to make the US dollar Ecuador's official currency. The radical free-market dollarization plan led to collapse of the export market, decimation of payrolls and, for those still working, a halving of real wages.

Palacio told me he "received the explanation from Ms. Condoleezza Rice," who reassured him she did not seek his removal. But reassurance apparently has a price. The morning we met, Palacio announced he would maintain US military bases in Ecuador (not a popular view) and would not object to Plan Colombia, the US war on guerrillas dressed as a war on drugs. As a physician, however, he did question chemical spraying of coca crops.

But on the oil money and bond payout he's holding his ground, and with good reason. When the oil market went bust in the 1980s, so did Ecuador, and its bonds sold at dimes on the dollar. Now Ecuador's debt sells at a full face value, yielding windfall profits to speculators of as much as 500 percent for those who bought cheap.

Palacio doesn't object to paying off the bonds. The problem is that the World Bank and IMF want the principal of the bonds paid down early, a rare and financially suspect demand to make on any nation.

Who are these guys who hold the bonds? "We don't know who they are, and that's terrible," the president told me. What's terrible, says a United Nations expert who cannot be named, is that Palacio does know who they are: the old oligarchs who originally stripped the nation's banks of assets in the 1980s, fled to Miami and now hold a mortgage on the nation. Palacio's plan to move some of the oil money to social services threatens these bondholders' windfall.

A closer look at the Structural Adjustment Program suggests that the World Bank may not be putting Ecuador's interests first. Paragraph III-2 requires electricity rates to rise to double the average price charged in the United States, far above production costs. This is quite a boon to the Ecuadorean electricity suppliers such as Noble Energy of Houston and Duke Power of the Carolinas.

Outside the presidential palace, indigenous women in bowler hats and pigtails chanted, "¡Fuera todos! ¡Fuera todos!" Everyone out. As far as they are concerned, every one of the seven presidents who have entered office in the past nine years has sold them out to the bondholders, to the oil companies, to the World Bank and its austerity punishments. To them, Palacio is just another in a long line of disappointments.

I asked the president what he would do if the World Bank and the Bush Administration nix his request for Ecuador to keep an extra tiny percentage of its oil money. Mindful that no Ecuadorean president since 1996 has served out his term, Palacio told me simply: "There is no way. There is no other way. These people have to listen to us."
 

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Well, many of the same players are back in Washington that were involved in dismanting nationalized industries in Central America in the 1980s. I guess Negroponte gets the chance to relive his death squad days.


Lovely.
 

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Let us hope that this new president will become realistic soon, anf form an alliance with Chavez. But the situation is tricky for him: US military bases on his soil, and Negroponte back at the top.
 

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Originally posted by: Votingisanillusion
Let us hope that this new president will become realistic soon, anf form an alliance with Chavez. But the situation is tricky for him: US military bases on his soil, and Negroponte back at the top.


Why would he join Chavez the article just stated:

Hugo Chávez he is not: Palacio is conservative, pro-market, pro-American

I'm sure the US can work out something with him.
 

Votingisanillusion

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Originally posted by: Beowulf
Originally posted by: Votingisanillusion
Let us hope that this new president will become realistic soon, anf form an alliance with Chavez. But the situation is tricky for him: US military bases on his soil, and Negroponte back at the top.


Why would he join Chavez the article just stated:

Hugo Chávez he is not: Palacio is conservative, pro-market, pro-American

I'm sure the US can work out something with him.

Because he has a heart. It is not allowed by Wall Street and its armed branch, the CIA.
Read a book by William Bloom if you do not understand.
 

Beowulf

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Originally posted by: Votingisanillusion
Originally posted by: Beowulf
Originally posted by: Votingisanillusion
Let us hope that this new president will become realistic soon, anf form an alliance with Chavez. But the situation is tricky for him: US military bases on his soil, and Negroponte back at the top.


Why would he join Chavez the article just stated:

Hugo Chávez he is not: Palacio is conservative, pro-market, pro-American

I'm sure the US can work out something with him.

Because he has a heart. It is not allowed by Wall Street and its armed branch, the CIA.
Read a book by William Bloom if you do not understand.

He may have a heart that doesn't mean he won't cut a deal with the US he doesn't seem anything like Chavez.I think you're jumping to conclusions he wants to better his nation but he isn't out there talking about kicking the US to the side and aligning with Chavez.This man wants a tiny percentage more for his nation while Chavez rode around calling himself king of the poor(and the percent of poor still rising).

It takes alot more then heart to run a country.
 

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Wall Street always wants more. Never less.
Chavez gives billions more to the poor. That is why the CIA organized a coup against him.
 

Beowulf

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Originally posted by: Votingisanillusion
Wall Street always wants more. Never less.
Chavez gives billions more to the poor. That is why the CIA organized a coup against him.

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/ne...mnists/andres_oppenheimer/11272295.htm

the latest poverty figures from Venezuela's official National Institute of Statistics -- buried in a mountain of figures deep in the bowels of its Internet site, www.ine.gov.ve -- contain the most damning condemnation of the Chávez government I have seen anywhere.

The figures, on Page 5 of the Institute's Social Report, show that poverty in Venezuela rose from 43 percent to 54 percent of the population during Chávez's first four years in office. And extreme poverty -- the percentage of the population that lives on less than $1 a day -- grew from 17 percent to 25 percent during the same period, the figures show.

These are stunning figures, not only because Chávez is going around Latin America proclaiming to be heading a ''Bolivarian revolution'' to help the poor, but also because the rise in poverty during his tenure has taken place at the very time when Venezuela has been benefiting from its greatest oil boom in recent history.

Where are the billions that Chavez is giving to the poor.The money is going to himself and buying his weapons.All this in a time when oil soared from $8 to $55 dollars per barrel and the poor are getting worse not better.
 

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Kinda lame, there, Beowulf, considering that oil was ~$25-30/barrel in 2000... Hasn't been $8/barrel since the 70's.

Lots of factors contribute to poverty numbers, particularly the way they're compiled. I don't know enough about Venezuela's methods to say whether the numbers were accurate before or after Chavez's election. I doubt that the US sponsored coup and general strike helped much, and all the raving from Washington can't help their business climate, either.

At this point, the less the Bush Admin has to say about Venezuela, the better the situation will likely turn out. They have a knack for pissing people off, as you may have noticed... I'm confident that they won't refrain, however, and they're very likely to take the side of big money wrt Ecuador- it's really what they're all about, anyway...
 

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Chavez had to secure the independance of Venezuela, to consolidate democracy, and to take care of his own security first. Proof is the coup organized by the CIA against him in 2002. He is convincing more and more citizens to support his social program. He needs the largest support possible to start the redistribution of the land. Of course many poor people would like him to be bolder, but he knows the history of his continent. Do you know what happened in Guatemala in 1953? In Chile in 1973? In ... I could go on and on.
 

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Lots of Ecuadorians live in Spain. Spain also organized a coup against Chavez. I'm worried about the lives of these people as the EU and its members are becoming increasingly belligerent in affairs regarding minorities and immigrants. I wouldn't be surprised if they started executing Ecuadorians in Spain to influence Palacio.
 

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Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Kinda lame, there, Beowulf, considering that oil was ~$25-30/barrel in 2000... Hasn't been $8/barrel since the 70's.

Lots of factors contribute to poverty numbers, particularly the way they're compiled. I don't know enough about Venezuela's methods to say whether the numbers were accurate before or after Chavez's election. I doubt that the US sponsored coup and general strike helped much, and all the raving from Washington can't help their business climate, either.

At this point, the less the Bush Admin has to say about Venezuela, the better the situation will likely turn out. They have a knack for pissing people off, as you may have noticed... I'm confident that they won't refrain, however, and they're very likely to take the side of big money wrt Ecuador- it's really what they're all about, anyway...


Competition between Saudi Arabia and Venezuela for increased market shares, particularly in the US, also increased oil supply. On the other side, the slump in the Asian economies following the regional currency crisis sharply cut demand for oil from that region. In February 1999 the base crude oil price fell to around $10 to $12 a barrel, but some oil was being traded for as little as $8 a barrel.
http://www.socialismtoday.org/51/oil.html

Chavez was president in 1999.I'm looking for a better source but I originally got the $8 figure from Oppenheimer(Pulitzer prize winner of the Miami Herald in the article I first linked to).

In 1996, oil was selling for $20/barrel, but by 1999, the price had dropped to $7/barrel. The drastically dropping oil prices and resultant economic crisis for Venezuela played into the 1998 presidential election. Candidate Hugo Chávez opposed the opening of Venezuela's marginal fields and extra heavy oil to exploitation. He proposed that OPEC countries should not be increasing their production of oil to make up income lost by the drop in oil prices, but should organize in a strong block to regulate the amount of oil going out on the market, and take advantage of the law of supply and demand.

Chávez also proposed that Venezuela's oil revenues be used for literacy programs, schools and medical programs. On these and other campaign promises, he was elected by an overwhelming majority to the office of president in 1998, and instigated his program of oil industry investment in society.
http://www.missouri.edu/~quinnl/MVR/report3.html
 

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Originally posted by: Votingisanillusion
Chavez had to secure the independance of Venezuela, to consolidate democracy, and to take care of his own security first. Proof is the coup organized by the CIA against him in 2002. He is convincing more and more citizens to support his social program. He needs the largest support possible to start the redistribution of the land. Of course many poor people would like him to be bolder, but he knows the history of his continent. Do you know what happened in Guatemala in 1953? In Chile in 1973? In ... I could go on and on.

I know all too well what happens with false ideas I was born and raised in Santa Clara,Cuba(lived for awhile in Cienfuegos) try living in that craphole.BTW Chavez has been president since 1998 how long does he need to convince more ppl to support social programs.The opposition in Venezuela isn't small either if am not mistaken they got 40%+ of the vote last election.
 

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Bush has been in since 2000 and people still blame all of his shortcomings on Clinton. How can you expect more from Chavez when he's only been in power 2 years longer?

It's all Allende's fault. ;)
 

Beowulf

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Originally posted by: BBond
Bush has been in since 2000 and people still blame all of his shortcomings on Clinton. How can you expect more from Chavez when he's only been in power 2 years longer?

It's all Allende's fault. ;)


Everyone has different views the majority of ppl to the left and right here can't speak for everyone.Thats the great thing of human nature we are individuals and well always say our piece of mind.

BTW Allende choose his fate when replaced General Prats with Pinochet. ;)
 

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considering chavez has completely screwed over venezuela i serious hope this guy doesn't do the same to ecuador.

standard plan: vilify someone else, take all their hope away, and then tell them you're the only one who can help. they'll believe you. hey, it worked for castro