Economy must be on the rebound

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da loser

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/busi...n-sachs-bonus-payments

Staff at Goldman Sachs staff can look forward to the biggest bonus payouts in the firm's 140-year history after a spectacular first half of the year, sparking concern that the big investment banks which survived the credit crunch will derail financial regulation reforms.

Staff in London were briefed last week on the banking and securities company's prospects and told they could look forward to bumper bonuses if, as predicted, it completed its most profitable year ever.

Until the release of its first quarter profits in April, it seemed inconceivable that a firm owing the US government $10bn would be looking to break all-time records in 2009.

"These banks are intermediaries in the bond markets where governments and companies are raising billions of pounds of new money. There is also a lack of competition that means they can charge huge sums for doing business."

Last week, the firm predicted that President Barack Obama's government could issue $3.25tn of debt before September, almost four times last year's sum. Goldman, a prime broker of US government bonds, is expected to make hundreds of millions of dollars in profits from selling and dealing in the bonds.

hmmm. let's see the government bailed out AIG. AIG sent money to GS. GS profits, stays alive, and gets more business because others didn't get bailed out.

this economy isn't collapse due to excessive greed again.
 

ElFenix

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john stewart is going to have a field day with this one
 

MovingTarget

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Great. Just fscking great. People wonder why the average joe is angry at these institutions and the 'titans of industry'. Success seems more and more completely disconnected from hard work and sacrifice in this nation.
 

Slew Foot

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Goldman hmmmm, you mean Hank Paulson's old firm? You dont think theres any link there do you?
 

Hacp

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Didn't Obama bail these suckers out with the 350billion he requested from congress?
 

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Goldman Sachs has been much better off during this downturn than other financial institutions. IIRC they were smart and distanced themselves from subprime loans before things really started to get bad. I don't think they really needed government money either, but Paulson and the feds "strongly encouraged" healthier banks to accept TARP funds as well. GS was one of the first banks to try to give the money back after it started to become a big liability.

Considering the circumstances, these bonuses don't seem unreasonable to me, they're one of the few large firms who saw this mess coming and are now doing very well because they were prepared.
 

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Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Goldman Sachs has been much better off during this downturn than other financial institutions. IIRC they were smart and distanced themselves from subprime loans before things really started to get bad. I don't think they really needed government money either, but Paulson and the feds "strongly encouraged" healthier banks to accept TARP funds as well. GS was one of the first banks to try to give the money back after it started to become a big liability.

Considering the circumstances, these bonuses don't seem unreasonable to me, they're one of the few large firms who saw this mess coming and are now doing very well because they were prepared.

I think where people are mad is the over the counter bets they made with institutions like AIG. Where if the free market was to work Goldman Sachs would of lost billions. Instead it got profit from its bets funneled through with the AIG taxpayer bailouts.

Why should a investment bank like Goldman Sachs get free insurance through the government on a gambling bet they made over the counter? This is not like FDIC insurance for deposits. This is more like if I took my money to a poker game and won against Billy and didn't get my winnings the government would pick up the tab.
 
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I wonder if angry and frustrated Americans will eventually take to the streets and put people's heads on pikes. I find it rather curious that no one (to my knowledge) had knocked off a CEO, high level executive, or health care executive yet.
 

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Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper
I wonder if angry and frustrated Americans will eventually take to the streets and put people's heads on pikes. I find it rather curious that no one (to my knowledge) had knocked off a CEO, high level executive, or health care executive yet.

:roll:

Quick get your pitchforks everyone :roll:
 

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Isn't the outrage a little misplaced here? I thought Goldman Sachs was one of the banks that didn't want any part of TARP but was forced into accepting some money just to make the U.S. federal government happy in some attempt to not paint banks who did need TARP funds with a scarlet letter.

Goldman Sachs Would Like to Repay Treasury, CFO Says

Feb. 4 (Bloomberg) -- Goldman Sachs Group Inc. wants to repay the $10 billion it got from the U.S. Treasury last year to signal the firm is healthy and to escape limitations that were imposed with the money, Chief Financial Officer David Viniar said.

?Operating our business without the government capital would be an easier thing to do,? Viniar said today at a conference hosted by Credit Suisse Group AG in Naples, Florida. ?We?d be under less scrutiny and under less pressure.? He added, ?It would send a very good signal? if the firm could repay the money.

JPMorgan, Morgan Stanley Among 10 Banks Repaying TARP

June 9 (Bloomberg) -- JPMorgan Chase & Co., Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and Morgan Stanley were among 10 banks that won U.S. Treasury approval to buy back $68 billion of government shares, freeing them from added oversight that curbed lending practices, hiring and pay.

?These repayments are an encouraging sign of financial repair,? Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner said in a statement today. ?But we still have work to do.?

The government didn?t name the banks. In addition to JPMorgan, Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley, American Express Co., Bank of New York Mellon Corp., BB&T Corp., Capital One Financial Corp., Northern Trust Corp., State Street Corp. and U.S. Bancorp all said today they are repaying the funds.

?Goldman Sachs is grateful for the government?s extraordinary efforts and the taxpayers? patience,? wrote the bank?s CEO, Lloyd Blankfein, and president, Gary Cohn. ?Our return of the government?s investment does not, in any way, end our obligations to the public interest.?
 

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Originally posted by: yllus
Isn't the outrage a little misplaced here? I thought Goldman Sachs was one of the banks that didn't want any part of TARP but was forced into accepting some money just to make the U.S. federal government happy in some attempt to not paint banks who did need TARP funds with a scarlet letter.

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Yeah, but it seems a little too convenient that Hank Paulson got it's main competitors like Bear Sterns and Lehman Brothers out of the way. Now they have the Wall Street racket almost all to themselves. Don Corleone would have been proud at the way they were taken out.
 

yllus

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Originally posted by: tvarad
Originally posted by: yllus
Isn't the outrage a little misplaced here? I thought Goldman Sachs was one of the banks that didn't want any part of TARP but was forced into accepting some money just to make the U.S. federal government happy in some attempt to not paint banks who did need TARP funds with a scarlet letter.

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Yeah, but it seems a little too convenient that Hank Paulson got it's main competitors like Bear Sterns and Lehman Brothers out of the way. Now they have the Wall Street racket almost all to themselves. Don Corleone would have been proud at the way they were taken out.

Hah, I like that. Ultimately though, Bear Stearns and Lehman Bros. were overextended and vulnerable on their own merits anyways - Mr. Paulson at worst just ensured that they didn't attempt a second coming. :)
 

Hacp

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Originally posted by: yllus
Isn't the outrage a little misplaced here? I thought Goldman Sachs was one of the banks that didn't want any part of TARP but was forced into accepting some money just to make the U.S. federal government happy in some attempt to not paint banks who did need TARP funds with a scarlet letter.

It actually took a bigger bailout with the FDIC protecting its debt.
 
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