Economic Stimulus Idea

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Have those people, at a lower wage, install American made solar panels on all government building that receive enough sunlight every year to make it practical.

That's the first problem. Solar is almost never practical. I spend less than $2k/year on electricity and it would cost me about 44k (I priced it out) to put enough solar panels on my roof to pay for that. Given that within 40 years the panels have to be replaced, the ROI is in fact indefinite; they'd never pay for themselves, ever.

I'm guessing money is much better spent going into new powerplants, be they wind (or even a solar farm where the sun is bright most of the year), tidal, or whatever. Putting solar panels on individual buildings is nothing more than a gimick at the moment, from a cost-cutting or practicality standpoint (notwithstanding a cottage off the grid in the middle of nowhere).

For me personally, if solar came down in cost by 75%, I'd look at it. I I could rig my entire house up, including batteries, with a mostly maintenance-free setup, for $10,000, I'd do it. Even if it was $15,000 I'd think about it, as there is a definite ultimate return on that investment. I think it will be many years before that's possible, though. I can't do wind as it's too ugly for most people to tolerate. If it is law that power returned to the grid is given back to owners as a credit (I know it's possible in at least some areas), that would alleviate the need for batteries, as people could essentially use the power grid as a battery, taking from it at night time and putting back into it during the day while at work.

 

[Mani]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Mani

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Mani

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Mani

Originally posted by: Budmantom

So we agree, the stimulus plan didn't work in Japan.

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No, we don't. The entire point was that Japan did not stimulate their economy in a timely or adequate manner. The example that you brought up actually perfectly undermines the point you're trying to make. Now do you have any real arguments to bring to the table besides pretending everyone agrees with you?

lol.. you are something

Another non-argument from budmantom, shocker.

I said the stimulus didn't work in Japan and you said it didn't work but you disagree with me...

like I said it's unanimous

You can't even remotely compare Japan's stimulus to ours, to the point where theirs wouldn't even be considered stimulus. The fact that you're trying to play "gotcha" on these meaningless semantics says it all - the debate was about whether government spending always has a negative effect on the economy, and you just don't have an argument there.

I like how the topic keeps changing.....

Here is what I'm saying and I'll dumb it down for you.... the government doesn't spend efficiently and taking money from the private sector for the government to blow on pet projects and letting them pick the winners and losers in this economy is a travesty.

Dumb it down for me - now that's just downright funny coming from you.

Maybe you need to be reminded of your EXACT quote:

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: QuantumPion
Nothing the government spends money on can be stimulus since they took that money away from other people to begin with. Everything the government does is a zero-sum outcome with only a few exceptions.

negative

We all agree it will have a negative affect on the economy.

Regardless of what shitty amendments you are making to that argument, you've again provide absolutely no evidence to back up this fundamental assertion. I was hoping to see some, but I should know better than to expect any real substance in one of your posts.

 

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Well, I guess no one took my post too seriously ... I'll sum it up in a few lines...

35% of your entire electric bill goes into heating Hotwater. OT: how many have themo blankets on your hot water tanks?
For less then 600.00 your could use passive solar to heat you Hot Water @ 60-70% efficiency and cut your electric bill by a third or more.

So there are plenty of options you just have to find what works for you. Solar is a good option and you don't even need batteries, electrical wires or inverters.