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eBay sellers to pay for phony bids

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Viper GTS

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http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/11...ybidding.ap/index.html

I'm all for people getting nailed for this kind of crap, but why the hell do the buyers deserve a refund?

They purchased an item for less than or equal to their maximum bid... Where is the problem?

We can't protect buyers from their own stupidity, before you know it people will be demanding refunds if they feel they paid too much for something.

Caveat emptor folks, as always. Do your research, know the value of what you're bidding on.

It's your own damn fault if you overpay.

Viper GTS
 
maybe because they would have gotten it cheaper had the others not bidded to get the price up? yes they deserve to get the money back.
 
I agree it was stupid for them to buy that item if its more than they wanted to spend.
but, it is shifty and crooked for a seller to jack the price of their item up. They should put a reserve if they really don't want to sell it too cheaply.
 
Originally posted by: BD2003
Dont tell me you actually approve of shill bidding?
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Of course not, did you read my post?

I just don't believe someone can be cheated if they pay a price they agreed upon & received what was promised. Kind of like the white van "scams."

Kick the sellers off eBay, charge them with whatever crimes they committed, rid the community of their presence... But that should be the only resolution.

Viper GTS
 
"...one of the sellers pleaded guilty to a felony charge..."

Is this really a felony? Sure it's a nasty practice... one deserving of a bad reputation leading to lost sales via word-of-mouth, poor reviews, bannishment, etc.
 
I dont agree with shill bidding, but hellfire... no one told the other ppl to continue bidding! I am surprised they are getting money.

🙂
 
Originally posted by: KarenMarie
I dont agree with shill bidding, but hellfire... no one told the other ppl to continue bidding! I am surprised they are getting money.

🙂
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It's because we reward the stupid nowadays. :|

Just like people who sue McD's for hot coffee.
Just like people who sue McD's for fattening food.
Just like people who sue a homeowner because they hurt themselves while breaking in.

It goes on...

:roll:
 
Originally posted by: Viper GTS
Originally posted by: BD2003
Dont tell me you actually approve of shill bidding?
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Of course not, did you read my post?

I just don't believe someone can be cheated if they pay a price they agreed upon & received what was promised. Kind of like the white van "scams."

Kick the sellers off eBay, charge them with whatever crimes they committed, rid the community of their presence... But that should be the only resolution.

Viper GTS
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That may be the case if it weren't an auction, but it is an auction. Just because they were WILLING to pay their maximum bid doesn't mean they should have to if no legitimate bidders were willing to go that high. The point of a proxy bid is to pay only enough to beat every other bidder. Shill bidders cause you to pay more than you would have if only legitimate bidders had bid on the auction, therefore you deserve a refund for the difference (or a full refund as punishment to the seller and a disincentive to others).

Why should the seller be allowed to profit from shill bidding? That's idiotic.
 
the foil beanie kit.. hi-larious.

I think the guys deserve money back if it can be proved that the seller jipped them via shill bidding.
 
Originally posted by: DurocShark
Originally posted by: KarenMarie
I dont agree with shill bidding, but hellfire... no one told the other ppl to continue bidding! I am surprised they are getting money.

🙂
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It's because we reward the stupid nowadays. :|

Just like people who sue McD's for hot coffee.
Just like people who sue McD's for fattening food.
Just like people who sue a homeowner because they hurt themselves while breaking in.

It goes on...

:roll:
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Not really, since the reward-ers are stupid too.
 
Originally posted by: DurocShark
Originally posted by: KarenMarie
I dont agree with shill bidding, but hellfire... no one told the other ppl to continue bidding! I am surprised they are getting money.

🙂
Click to expand...

It's because we reward the stupid nowadays. :|

Just like people who sue McD's for hot coffee.
Just like people who sue McD's for fattening food.
Just like people who sue a homeowner because they hurt themselves while breaking in.

It goes on...

:roll:
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I might agree with #2 and #3, but #1 is the court ruling was correct. They've been hit by many audits stating that their coffee was too hot, but they never changed their practice. You should see both sides before drawing your conclusions.
 
Originally posted by: DurocShark
Originally posted by: KarenMarie
I dont agree with shill bidding, but hellfire... no one told the other ppl to continue bidding! I am surprised they are getting money.

🙂
Click to expand...

It's because we reward the stupid nowadays. :|

Just like people who sue McD's for hot coffee.
Just like people who sue McD's for fattening food.
Just like people who sue a homeowner because they hurt themselves while breaking in.

It goes on...

:roll:
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Agreed, but the hot coffee thing was justifiable. McDonald's completely refused to agree to the violation that there coffee was about 20 degrees too hot. An old lady with arthritis orders a coffee at the drive thru and asks them to not put the lid on tightly so she could cool it off. She picks up the order at the window, but the worker ignored her request to take the lid off. She pulls a little forward and puts the coffee between her legs so she could attempt to pull off the lid. Well coffee ends up spilling and giving her 3rd degree burns all over her inner things. She explained to the management the situation and just asked for the medical bills. They refused and put all the blame on her.
She took it to court, and the jury rewarded her 2.5mil in punitive damages.
The judge later adjusted it to barely $100,000.

Sorry, but that's what I got for my university education in legal torts.
 
auction prices are determined by 2 factors: the maximum amount that people are willing to pay, and supply and demand. Shill bidding creates an artificial demand, driving up prices closer to the maximum that people are willing to pay.
 
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