Eat Healthy And You'll Live Longer? RiGhT.....

[sportage]

CNN
Blueberries have joined green beans in this year’s Dirty Dozen list

Blueberries, beloved by nutritionists for their anti-inflammatory properties, have joined fiber-rich green beans in this year’s Dirty Dozen of nonorganic produce with the most pesticides, according to the Environmental Working Group, a nonprofit environmental health organization.
As in 2022, strawberries and spinach continued to hold the top two spots on the Dirty Dozen, followed by three greens — kale, collard and mustard. Listed next were peaches, pears, nectarines, apples, grapes, bell and hot peppers, and cherries. Blueberries and green beans were 11th and 12th on the list.

I knew something was up with so called "healthy foods" i.e. fruits and vegetables. There are times when I believed the so called health foods were more dangerous than the fast foods. And more full of the bad things like pesticides. Why can't they just leave a blueberry alone? And most of our veggies come from countries where they do not ban the deadly pesticides which are banned in the US. Seems weird to ban pesticides in US yet allow in produce from other countries (Mexico) which contain those banned pesticides.
And who's really going to grow their own fruits and vegetables? Who so they think we are, farmers?

 

[mztykal]

So pretty much all fruits. Got it…lol

 

[WelshBloke]

I mean it's not the veggies that are bad for you there it's the chemicals they are drenched in. Looks like the organic eating hippies were right!

 

[nakedfrog]

I've been buying organic blueberries, either from the farmer's market or the frozen Costco ones.

 

[Torn Mind]

I just learned the commonly eaten blueberries are descended from Joisey boys.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2015/08/04/428984045/how-new-jersey-tamed-the-wild-blueberry-for-global-production

Blueberry - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Muse]

The only blueberries I buy are the ORGANIC frozen 3lb bags at Costco. They "live" in my freezer. Smoothies, maybe in a batter. Of course, there's other things you could do with them.

I've been buying organic blueberries, either from the farmer's market or the frozen Costco ones.

Yup.

 

[Muse]

I mean it's not the veggies that are bad for you there it's the chemicals they are drenched in. Looks like the organic eating hippies were right!

Yeah, I eat more and more organic. The hippies were not dummies. I started thinking about the health aspects of what I eat when I read a magazine article in the early 1970's IIRC entitled "Food Pollution." It went into many aspects including pesticides, food additives, food coloring, inorganic fertilizers, emulsifiers, hormones I think, just a ton of stuff. I don't know if they were doing GMO's at that time. I reread that article at least once, it got me into reading ingredients on labels.

 

[Torn Mind]

The only blueberries I buy are the ORGANIC frozen 3lb bags at Costco. They "live" in my freezer. Smoothies, maybe in a batter. Of course, there's other things you could do with them.
Yup.

I have Wyman's wild fruit, straight from the Northeast, like Maine, Nova Scotia, etc...supposedly.

 

[Captante]

it might help me eat healthier and easier control my weight

So what do a few lines of code "weigh" these days?

 

[Captante]

The only blueberries I buy are the ORGANIC frozen 3lb bags at Costco. They "live" in my freezer. Smoothies, maybe in a batter. Of course, there's other things you could do with them.
Yup.

After switching to 90% organic fruits and veggies I noticed I was actually feeling consistently better with somewhat higher energy levels.

 

[MrSquished]

There's the dirty dozen, and then there is the clean fifteen baby!

 

[darkswordsman17]

I've been buying organic blueberries, either from the farmer's market or the frozen Costco ones.

If you think that means no pesticides then you're delusional.

 

[sdifox]

It seems that the only way out is to grow vegetables and fruits by myself. Now as I live in a private house, I'm thinking about it. Moreover, it might help me eat healthier and easier control my weight.

Hydroponics is pretty easy.

 

[Exterous]

Just a heads up that you're more likely to get sick from organic foods and that source of veggies can sometimes matter more than organic vs non organic

I worked at a place that did third party FDA audits for the government and private parties and even well meaning farms can struggle with the food safety requirements for organic foods

https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2012/09/04/160395259/why-organic-food-may-not-be-healthier-for-you

Foodborne Disease Outbreaks Associated with Organic Foods in the United States

Consumer demand for organically produced foods is increasing in the United States as well as globally. Consumer perception often credits organic foods as being safer than conventionally produced foods, although organic standards do not directly address ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[darkswordsman17]

There's still very little data showing that the small amount of pesticides in fruits and veggies is materially harmful, and even that would likely be massively outweighed by the benefits of eating more fruits and veggies compared to the large amount of highly processed foods people consume now.

Sure, if you're working around crops that are being sprayed and you're inhaling aerosolized pesticides/getting skin contamination from much higher levels that involves, then yes, pesticides are gonna be harmful.

Further most of the pesticides you ingest are natural defenses of the plants. That's actually one of the cruxes of the argument against eating potatoes and tomatoes because they are from the Nightshade family (which of course ignores that the real issue is people are consuming highly processed versions of those and/or they're one small part of food that is unhealthy (i.e. acting like its the sauce on pizza to blame for why pizza is bad for you).

After switching to 90% organic fruits and veggies I noticed I was actually feeling consistently better with somewhat higher energy levels.

That's probably because you started consuming more fruits and veggies in general and less processed food, not because of it being organic vs not.

Organic does not mean pesticide free at all.

It seems that the only way out is to grow vegetables and fruits by myself. Now as I live in a private house, I'm thinking about it. Moreover, it might help me eat healthier and easier control my weight.

If you can then yes, growing your own food is great. It'll let you understand what was put into it, and will taste better, mostly because you'll be able to pick it at peak ripeness and not have it go through the process of being picked and then shipped to you. Plus the physical work of growing it yourself. Just don't expect that'll keep you fed all year unless you're really build like a full on growhouse/etc.

You want to get healthier, eat less processed foods in general. Growing your own isn't necessary for that, don't let articles like this dupe you.

Definitely don't let articles like this dupe you into believing that "organic" is pesticide free. If I remember, there was some evidence that organic farms were worse in their pesticide use even (used more pesticides and in worse way, basically they overly saturated to try to compensate for organic pesticides being less effective; but I don't know how in depth the studies on that went).

 

[nakedfrog]

If you think that means no pesticides then you're delusional.

Okay. I don't really care that much, TBH.

 

[Torn Mind]

There's still very little data showing that the small amount of pesticides in fruits and veggies is materially harmful, and even that would likely be massively outweighed by the benefits of eating more fruits and veggies compared to the large amount of highly processed foods people consume now.

Sure, if you're working around crops that are being sprayed and you're inhaling aerosolized pesticides/getting skin contamination from much higher levels that involves, then yes, pesticides are gonna be harmful.

Further most of the pesticides you ingest are natural defenses of the plants. That's actually one of the cruxes of the argument against eating potatoes and tomatoes because they are from the Nightshade family (which of course ignores that the real issue is people are consuming highly processed versions of those and/or they're one small part of food that is unhealthy (i.e. acting like its the sauce on pizza to blame for why pizza is bad for you).



That's probably because you started consuming more fruits and veggies in general and less processed food, not because of it being organic vs not.

Organic does not mean pesticide free at all.



If you can then yes, growing your own food is great. It'll let you understand what was put into it, and will taste better, mostly because you'll be able to pick it at peak ripeness and not have it go through the process of being picked and then shipped to you. Plus the physical work of growing it yourself. Just don't expect that'll keep you fed all year unless you're really

You want to get healthier, eat less processed foods in general. Growing your own isn't necessary for that, don't let articles like this dupe you.

Definitely don't let articles like this dupe you into believing that "organic" is pesticide free. If I remember, there was some evidence that organic farms were worse in their pesticide use even (used more pesticides and in worse way, basically they overly saturated to try to compensate for organic pesticides being less effective; but I don't know how in depth the studies on that went).

Going organic on peanuts is likely worth it(or fermenting it if you're really paranoid). The alfatoxins are not tasted.

Aflatoxins in Peanut Butter (How much do the leading brands have?)

Perhaps you've heard of aflatoxins in peanut butter, that silent but deadly mold that you can't usually see but that's actually harmful? How much mold do the leading brands of peanut butter have + how to remove aflatoxins from peanuts or peanut butter. Is there a peanut butter without aflatoxin?

eatbeautiful.net

 

[Torn Mind]

The real reason potatoes are often unhealthy is plain and simple: they are a natural glucose, and thus also insulin, bomb. Thus, you will be put onto the "eat every 2 hr cycle" because of that hormone and some others response to said glucose source. Go without fat on the cooked potatoes, and it's a never ending cycle of insatiable full-to-hungry every two hours. The effects can be mitigated when constrained by the inability to constantly eat(by lack of money) or laboring. Boiled potatoes do have a lower GI, but will still make you wanna eat a lot in a day.

Because it is a free starch, it makes the body want to gobble down meat and fat if present as well. Because well, insulin means growth and storage. So the meat is about growth and fat can be stored energy.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

The real reason potatoes are often unhealthy is plain and simple: they are a natural glucose, and thus also insulin, bomb. Thus, you will be put onto the "eat every 2 hr cycle" because of that hormone and some others response to said glucose source. Go without fat on the cooked potatoes, and it's a never ending cycle of insatiable full-to-hungry every two hours. The effects can be mitigated when constrained by the inability to constantly eat(by lack of money) or laboring. Boiled potatoes do have a lower GI, but will still make you wanna eat a lot in a day.

Because it is a free starch, it makes the body want to gobble down meat and fat if present as well. Because well, insulin means growth and storage. So the meat is about growth and fat can be stored energy.

Slight correction, consumed fats tend to get burned for energy. Consumed carbs tend to get converted into fat unless there's muscle energy stores to recoup.

 

[sportage]

Colon cancer is rising among young adults
Link

Duh.... Wouldn't be the food, would it?

 

[Captante]

That's probably because you started consuming more fruits and veggies in general and less processed food, not because of it being organic vs not.

Organic does not mean pesticide free at all.

Actually no.... I've eaten a ton of fruits and veggies my entire life. If anything I'm eating slightly LESS with (mostly) organic due to higher cost.

And while you are correct that pesticides are still used in organic farming, they are usually less harmful naturally occuring versions and/or in smaller quantities.

As a rule I do find that not only do I feel better eating more "organic", the produce itself usually TASTES better too! (although it often seems to have a shorter shelf-life for some reason)

The real reason potatoes are often unhealthy is plain and simple

Unfortunately the "bad" in potatoes goes beyond just empty carbs.

I have some minor nerve-damage in my feet and for whatever reason potatoes, in particular red/purple ones, severely irritate it and cause pain now. (other carbs don't do this at all so it's not simply a blood-sugar spike)

I'm assuming this is a developed sensitivity to "solanine", a naturally occurring nerve toxin present in all potatoes, but in particular if they sprout "eyes" or turn greenish.



EDIT: The below is especially interesting to me because the only potatoes that don't bother my feet/nerves are french-fries or hash-browns. That sucks because I love German potato salad!




Solanine - An overview (Sciencedirect.com)

"Solanine is not removed by boiling, but it can be destroyed by frying. Solanine poisoning is uncommon as cooks and the public are aware of the problem and tend to avoid green potatoes, in any case, consumption of up to 5 g of green potato per kg body weight per day does not appear to cause acute illness."

 

[Torn Mind]

Unfortunately the "bad" in potatoes goes beyond just empty carbs.

I have some minor nerve-damage in my feet and for whatever reason potatoes, in particular red/purple ones, severely irritate it and cause pain now. (other carbs don't do this at all so it's not simply a blood-sugar spike)

I'm assuming this is a developed sensitivity to "solanine", a naturally occurring nerve toxin present in all potatoes, but in particular if they sprout "eyes" or turn greenish.



EDIT: The below is especially interesting to me because the only potatoes that don't bother my feet/nerves are french-fries or hash-browns. That sucks because I love German potato salad!




Solanine - An overview (Sciencedirect.com)

"Solanine is not removed by boiling, but it can be destroyed by frying. Solanine poisoning is uncommon as cooks and the public are aware of the problem and tend to avoid green potatoes, in any case, consumption of up to 5 g of green potato per kg body weight per day does not appear to cause acute illness."

You would make an interesting scientific specimen, being European descended but lactose intolerant, and super sensitive to solanine.

 

[Torn Mind]

Colon cancer is rising among young adults
Link

Duh.... Wouldn't be the food, would it?

Folic acid overload might be part of the reason.

With the way grains work(make you wanna eat every two hours), people could be mega dosing it daily without knowing it.

Bad (i.e SPAM or deli) meats also contribute via heme and sugar/glucose.

 

[MrSquished]

Bill Hicks had a good bit about Yule Brynner vs this health nut jogger who wrote a book about it

 

[Kaido]

I lived off Snickers bars & Sprite for like 3 years in college, so I'm pretty sure my future is already doomed lol