Easy Question, Tough Answer on Abortion

[m316foley]

I always read about abortion topics and frequently post in such topics; however, one question about people who are pro-life has always made me wonder...

Why is it that people that feel abortion is murder agree to put in a stipulation that abortion is OK under the circumstances of either rape or incest. If a person is raped and pregnant, there is still a child that was completely innocent in the case. Isn't it kind of hypocritical to think abortion is murder of a child and it's "rights." However, if a person is raped it excuses the fact that it's murder?

I'm not trying to start a flame war here, in fact I'm actually pro-choice (if ya couldn't tell). I'd just like that question answered from whoever is pro-life and feels the way listed above.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Easy solution in 2 words:

Emergency Contraception

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Easy solution in 2 words:

Emergency Contraception

But that still flies in the face of the "Culture of Life" agenda. Which, btw, is a complete farce. What's hypocritical about the whole abortion issue is once the baby is born, it's forgotten completely by those that were fighting for it to reach birth.

If it's born to a couple (or just a woman) who is in poverty and dependent upon Medicaid and the child is ill or born with a defect or other handicap, then those fighting for its "rights" during pregnancy turn a cold shoulder to the mother and the child.

 

[m316foley]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Easy solution in 2 words:

Emergency Contraception

But to many people who are pro-life, emergency contraception is considered the same thing as aboriton, even though I feel differently.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Easy solution in 2 words:

Emergency Contraception

But that still flies in the face of the "Culture of Life" agenda. Which, btw, is a complete farce. What's hypocritical about the whole abortion issue is once the baby is born, it's forgotten completely by those that were fighting for it to reach birth.

If it's born to a couple (or just a woman) who is in poverty and dependent upon Medicaid and the child is ill or born with a defect or other handicap, then those fighting for its "rights" during pregnancy turn a cold shoulder to the mother and the child.

That's why you and I are 100x more "pro-life" than any of the hypocritical "pro-lifers".

 

[themusgrat]

I don't think it is right, but I am not going to be the person that tells a raped 13-year-old that she is going to have to have a child or commit murder. I think that it is wrong to have an abortion, but I also think that maybe life doesn't start at conception. Not that you or I really know. Though of course I think that there is life before birth. So hopefully we can come up with a definition of life that allows people to prevent pregnancy if they act quickly, but then, that definition must be right.

 

[themusgrat]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Easy solution in 2 words:

Emergency Contraception

But that still flies in the face of the "Culture of Life" agenda. Which, btw, is a complete farce. What's hypocritical about the whole abortion issue is once the baby is born, it's forgotten completely by those that were fighting for it to reach birth.

If it's born to a couple (or just a woman) who is in poverty and dependent upon Medicaid and the child is ill or born with a defect or other handicap, then those fighting for its "rights" during pregnancy turn a cold shoulder to the mother and the child.

That's why you and I are 100x more "pro-life" than any of the hypocritical "pro-lifers".

I, for one, don't agree. What you are saying is so relative. I would hope that pro-lifers would care for people, and I would be right to even think that. I'm not sure where you are coming from.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: themusgrat

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Easy solution in 2 words:

Emergency Contraception

But that still flies in the face of the "Culture of Life" agenda. Which, btw, is a complete farce. What's hypocritical about the whole abortion issue is once the baby is born, it's forgotten completely by those that were fighting for it to reach birth.

If it's born to a couple (or just a woman) who is in poverty and dependent upon Medicaid and the child is ill or born with a defect or other handicap, then those fighting for its "rights" during pregnancy turn a cold shoulder to the mother and the child.

That's why you and I are 100x more "pro-life" than any of the hypocritical "pro-lifers".

I, for one, don't agree. What you are saying is so relative. I would hope that pro-lifers would care for people, and I would be right to even think that. I'm not sure where you are coming from.

It's been shown, repeatedly, that a fetus doesn't feel any type of pain until after the 3rd month. Is a fetus at one month a life form due constitutional rights? I submit that it's not. Even taking into account the 9-month gestation period of human beings, the majority of life is spent living OUTSIDE of the womb. At that point, the "pro-lifers" stop caring.

Now, you tell me, who's more concerned about life?

 

[m316foley]

Guys, can we get back on topic rather than arguing the point over whether abortion is right or wrong? I just want to hear from the people that are pro-life why it is OK to "murder" when someone has been raped...

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: conjur
What's hypocritical about the whole abortion issue is once the baby is born, it's forgotten completely by those that were fighting for it to reach birth.

That brings to mind a question:

What if a fetus has a twin growing inside it (it has happened before)? Can the fetus in the fetus be aborted in an attempt to rescue the outer fetus (since his/her life MUST be protected)?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: m316foley
Guys, can we get back on topic rather than arguing the point over whether abortion is right or wrong? I just want to hear from the people that are pro-life why it is OK to "murder" when someone has been raped...

Well, you have to keep in mind who is using the term "murder" re: abortion. It's the pseudo-Christians...the Fund-a-Mental cases. They are simply ratcheting up the rhetoric and projecting their false faith and beliefs onto the rest of the population.

 

[m316foley]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: m316foley
Guys, can we get back on topic rather than arguing the point over whether abortion is right or wrong? I just want to hear from the people that are pro-life why it is OK to "murder" when someone has been raped...

Well, you have to keep in mind who is using the term "murder" re: abortion. It's the pseudo-Christians...the Fund-a-Mental cases. They are simply ratcheting up the rhetoric and projecting their false faith and beliefs onto the rest of the population.

I'd really rather not just label it to pseudo-christians or label it anything other than pro-life believers. I just want to know what the argument is against the idea. I'll even rearrage my words and say that it's not necessarily "murder" but why is it wrong, but sometimes right?

 

[themusgrat]

Originally posted by: m316foley
Guys, can we get back on topic rather than arguing the point over whether abortion is right or wrong? I just want to hear from the people that are pro-life why it is OK to "murder" when someone has been raped...

Ok, like I said, I think that it depends on where it is in the development cycle.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: m316foley
Why is it that people that feel abortion is murder agree to put in a stipulation that abortion is OK under the circumstances of either rape or incest.

Actually, there are many who think abortion should be illegal even under these circumstances. That's a principled stance, even if I don't agree with it.

 

[m316foley]

Originally posted by: themusgrat

Originally posted by: m316foley
Guys, can we get back on topic rather than arguing the point over whether abortion is right or wrong? I just want to hear from the people that are pro-life why it is OK to "murder" when someone has been raped...

Ok, like I said, I think that it depends on where it is in the development cycle.

Well then, that concedes that the idea of abortion is fine, but we just need to find the line at where we shouldn't cross.

 

[m316foley]

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: m316foley
Why is it that people that feel abortion is murder agree to put in a stipulation that abortion is OK under the circumstances of either rape or incest.

Actually, there are many who think abortion should be illegal even under these circumstances. That's a principled stance, even if I don't agree with it.

But then I have to ask the question... what about when it comes to the health of the mother?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: m316foley

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: m316foley
Guys, can we get back on topic rather than arguing the point over whether abortion is right or wrong? I just want to hear from the people that are pro-life why it is OK to "murder" when someone has been raped...

Well, you have to keep in mind who is using the term "murder" re: abortion. It's the pseudo-Christians...the Fund-a-Mental cases. They are simply ratcheting up the rhetoric and projecting their false faith and beliefs onto the rest of the population.

I'd really rather not just label it to pseudo-christians or label it anything other than pro-life believers. I just want to know what the argument is against the idea. I'll even rearrage my words and say that it's not necessarily "murder" but why is it wrong, but sometimes right?

Well, it *is* the pseudo-Christians that are making this a wedge issue.

But, I'm with you. I'd like to hear the spin, myself.

 

[QED]

I happen to be one of those pro-life people who actually doesn't believe there should be exceptions for cases of rape.

And not just because it is the principled stand. Speaking pragmatically, allow abortions only in cases of rape or incest will only serve to increase the number of reported rapes.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: MathMan

I happen to be one of those pro-life people who actually doesn't believe there should be exceptions for cases of rape.

And not just because it is the principled stand. Speaking pragmatically, allow abortions only in cases of rape or incest will only serve to increase the number of reported rapes.

mm....yeah....right.

 

[dmcowen674]

Two cells are a potential Republican vote and money in the donation plate in church so they must be saved at all costs.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: m316foley

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: m316foley
Why is it that people that feel abortion is murder agree to put in a stipulation that abortion is OK under the circumstances of either rape or incest.

Actually, there are many who think abortion should be illegal even under these circumstances. That's a principled stance, even if I don't agree with it.

But then I have to ask the question... what about when it comes to the health of the mother?

My observation is that most who generally oppose abortion think it's morally defensible for a woman whose own life is legitimately in danger to get an abortion. Again, I don't think that's unprincipled, as most of us believe that the state should NOT be able to force a person to risk his or her own life to save the life of another.

The "health of the mother" issue is more complicated, and it divides the anti-abortion camp. Some think that only life-threatening issues should allow a woman to get an abortion. Some think only major (but not necessarily life threatening) issues are okay. And so on. Such beliefs can be principled or not; it all depends on the extent to which an anti-abortionist believes that the state should be able to force a person to riks their own health in order to save the life of another.

 

[m316foley]

Originally posted by: MathMan

I happen to be one of those pro-life people who actually doesn't believe there should be exceptions for cases of rape.

And not just because it is the principled stand. Speaking pragmatically, allow abortions only in cases of rape or incest will only serve to increase the number of reported rapes.

So you think a raped woman should be forced to carry a child and remind her daily of what happened?

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: m316foley

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: m316foley
Why is it that people that feel abortion is murder agree to put in a stipulation that abortion is OK under the circumstances of either rape or incest.

Actually, there are many who think abortion should be illegal even under these circumstances. That's a principled stance, even if I don't agree with it.

But then I have to ask the question... what about when it comes to the health of the mother?

Health of the mother is a complete farce that can be manipulated.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: m316foley

Originally posted by: MathMan

I happen to be one of those pro-life people who actually doesn't believe there should be exceptions for cases of rape.

And not just because it is the principled stand. Speaking pragmatically, allow abortions only in cases of rape or incest will only serve to increase the number of reported rapes.

So you think a raped woman should be forced to carry a child and remind her daily of what happened?

You think justice can be served by further injustice?

 

[Todd33]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: m316foley

Originally posted by: MathMan

I happen to be one of those pro-life people who actually doesn't believe there should be exceptions for cases of rape.

And not just because it is the principled stand. Speaking pragmatically, allow abortions only in cases of rape or incest will only serve to increase the number of reported rapes.

So you think a raped woman should be forced to carry a child and remind her daily of what happened?

You think justice can be served by further injustice?

I think that's in your Bible, an eye for an eye and your type uses for all sort of justifications for murder. What's one more?

If some lump of cells was in my wife or daughter from a rape, kill it and never speak of it again. Of course you have neither wife or child, just lots of brainwashing from years of rhetoric - punk kid.