Early next year, sub 1000$ 28" Dell P2815Q 4K Monitor

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ShintaiDK

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There's an "I told you so" in there, but I'm a better person than that (I think).:p ;)

Anyhow, this is consistent with the model number now. I suspect blackened23's AMVA theory is going to prove to be correct.

Well it could have gone either way. Model number typo or a wrong Ultrasharp listing.

But as usual, if its too good to be true, it usually is.
 

blackened23

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Anything with a "P" prefix is not ultrasharp. P monitors have never been ultrasharp, ultrasharp has always been U. So this was easily figured out by looking at the model number really.

Regardless, I would take an AMVA 4k panel over an IPS/IZGO 4k panel anyday. As it turns out, the P2815Q is an AMVA panel, so i'm very much looking forward to it.

10 bit color is worthless for anyone who doesn't have a quadro or firepro card, and isn't into content creation; with that being the case - that is essentially the only advantage the ultrasharp IZGO panels have over the AMVA P monitors. 10 bit color (not usable for 99% of users) versus 8 bit color. I will much prefer the superior contrast ratios of AMVA over IPS. Actually, I've always found the colors and motion clarity on VA panels to be excellent but until recently all of those panels were limited to 1080p. Very happy that AMVA panels are supporting 4k now, I do believe they will be preferable over either IPS or IZGO.
 
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ShintaiDK

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Anything with a "P" prefix is not ultrasharp. P monitors have never been ultrasharp, ultrasharp has always been U. So this was easily figured out by looking at the model number really.

The 24" and 32" got P in the prefix since they use UPxxxxQ.
 

ViRGE

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10 bit color is worthless for anyone who doesn't have a quadro or firepro card, and isn't into content creation; with that being the case - that is essentially the only advantage the ultrasharp IZGO panels have over the AMVA P monitors. 10 bit color (not usable for 99% of users) versus 8 bit color.
Agreed that 10bit color is generally overkill. However since 10bit color is really 8bit color + interpolation, there's little reason not to add it from a manufacturer standpoint. So we end up with it anyhow and you won't find many native 8bit IPS displays that don't have it. Meanwhile the remaining 8bit IPS displays are really 6bit displays that use interpolation, which is cheap but from a color standpoint is just a bummer all around.

So in that sense I'm glad we have 10bit displays even if most of us are not using 10bit color, as it at least means we're getting displays that offer true 8bit color and an excellent reproduction of the sRGB color space. (I just wish my PA246Q did limited range RGB :p )
 

spat55

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Now all we need is something four times stronger than a titan to have a chance of powering it :(
 

blackened23

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Now all we need is something four times stronger than a titan to have a chance of powering it :(

I don't think the situation is as dire as some make it out to be. It's not much different than 1440p or 1600p - you can easily make do with a lot of GPUs simply by lowering 1 or 2 settings in game, and those settings generally have no impact on overall image quality. I see the situation at 4k being similar - if you want to max games out, you'll need quite a powerful setup. But there's no pre-requisite that games require to be maxed out, you can easily make do by lowering a few settings here and there.

Although I will say, 2 GPUs will likely be preferable for 4k resolution at least for now. Things should improve next year with 20nm.
 

Grooveriding

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I used the IGZO panel in the Asus panel briefly and it was stunning, put my U3011 to shame. There is a good reason it is more expensive, it is superior in every way and that is why the 4K ultra sharp will use it. Not very promising to see a VA panel is going in the cheaper 4K panel, VA=a lot more input lag than IPS/IGZO and less colour fidelity, but it has better black levels. The input lag is pretty bad on VA though.

As far as powering 4K, if your target is 60FPS steady, with today's hardware you are running modern games on medium to do so with dual Titans, unless you are willing to deal with sub 30fps minimums to raise settings.

I expect dual 20nm flagships to allow maybe high settings and 50-60fps minimums in a game like Battlefield 4 at 4K. GPU hardware is nowhere near ready for 4K at decent settings and framerates, unless your plan is quad fire/quad sli of the best cards on the market.
 

VirtualLarry

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I'm really, really, dissapointed in the HDMI and DP interface standards people for not getting the ball rolling sooner, on 4K @ 60Hz (and even 120Hz) interface standards. Instead, we get crap like 4K @ 30Hz (HDMI) or hackish workarounds with associated driver bugs (DP MST).

What a mess!

Once all the real standards get shaken out, and I can use single compliant cable to connect my display to my GPU, I might consider one. Also, price less than $400 please. I paid $250 for my KDS 26" 1920x1200 panels.
 

ViRGE

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I'm really, really, dissapointed in the HDMI and DP interface standards people for not getting the ball rolling sooner, on 4K @ 60Hz (and even 120Hz) interface standards. Instead, we get crap like 4K @ 30Hz (HDMI) or hackish workarounds with associated driver bugs (DP MST).

What a mess!

Once all the real standards get shaken out, and I can use single compliant cable to connect my display to my GPU, I might consider one. Also, price less than $400 please. I paid $250 for my KDS 26" 1920x1200 panels.
It's not a transport issue. It's a TCON issue.
 

blackened23

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Really? I thought IGZO panels were the best of LCD monitors?

From what I understand, IGZO and IPS are roughly similar, with IGZO supporting 4k resolution and IPS panels as of yet not supporting 4k resolution. The difference with AMVA (compared to VA) is that AMVA finally addresses viewing angles, yet maintains the excellent contrast ratios and motion fluidity that prior VA panels had. That was the prime benefit of VA panels - excellent colors, contrast and black levels. By those metrics, VA panels were far better than any IPS.

The only issue with VA panels in the past is that they only supported 1080p, and this has just recently changed with AMVA. I've seen several VA panels and they pretty much demolish IPS in terms of contrast ratios and overall color clarity, so I think much of that will carry over to the AMVA 4k panels. Don't get me wrong; I love IPS panels and have pretty much used them exclusively for years - yet objectively, IPS is much worse than VA/AMVA in terms of contrast ratios and black levels. In fact, black levels are one of the worst weaknesses of IPS because blacks aren't truly "black", they're grey instead. Anyway, we'll see how good AMVA is..... I'm anxiously awaiting reviews of the AMVA 4k screens when they hit.
 
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hjalti8

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The input lag is pretty bad on VA though.

There are many kinds of VA-panels out there but your assumption is generally false. The highlighted dell monitor uses an AMVA panel. The same goes for the two BenQ GW monitors.


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Not very promising to see a VA panel is going in the cheaper 4K panel, VA=a lot more input lag than IPS/IGZO and less colour fidelity, but it has better black levels.
VA-panels may not be perfect for colour critical work(professional video/photo editing).
But IMO the most important element of image quality is contrast ratio or black levels. So for most usage I would prefer a quality VA-panel(if there were any high res), especially for dark games like metro or movie watching.

Really? I thought IGZO panels were the best of LCD monitors?
According to anandtech review of the ASUS PQ321Q they dont seem to be any better than IPS panels. It even had worse contrast than IPS panels:

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compare that to the contrast ratio of the Eizo Foris FG2421 (VA-panel)
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blackened23

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Yeah, generally speaking input lag and motion clarify is better on VA panels as compared to IPS. Contrast ratios and blacks are also very much better, but like I said before VA panels were just limited to 1080p in the past. Until now....I'm definitely looking forward to this one from Dell..
 

ViRGE

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From what I understand, IGZO and IPS are roughly similar
Bingo. IGZO functions almost identically to IPS; it's technically not the same, but one can easily label IGZO as an evolution of traditional IPS and get away with it. Heck, Dell technically calls their 32" monitor (using the Sharp IGZO panel) an IGZO IPS monitor.
 

Grooveriding

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Have you guys used a VA screen ? The input lag was terrible on every one I owned, bad to the point online gaming in a FPS was a no go. Particularly if you are using a VA based screen with an OSD/Scaler built into it. I agree the black levels are better, but that is about it.

I can see a host of issues with that 24" 4k screen, not just the input lag, but it is going to be a PITA on the desktop because of the high resolution and small screen size. Not every application works well with scaling, particularly Adobe apps, and you are going to need to scale up everything unless you have magnifying glasses for eyes. Even at 32" 4K is rough on the desktop without scaling.
 

Childs

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This is a fairly reasonable price. I think I spent this much on my U2711. Not for gaming though, but it would be a nice replacement for my U2711 since I mainly use it for work and editing.