EA tries to buy Valve, Gabe laughs

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I don't think EA could afford steam, I'd bet steam could afford to buy EA soon or with some investor cash.
Gabe is a Mac Daddy, I have an odd feeling there may be a "steam" Linux or steam OS some day.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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I don't know enough about EA due to avoiding them like the plague but, is there some sort of anti gaming conspiracy afoot? I mean does the Gollum in charge have a secret plan to destroy gaming or, at least, pc gaming?
 

Barfo

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magomago

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I think you are giving him too much altruistic credit.

If his company was valued at 3B, and EA offers 1 Billion, he is encouraged to say what he did. Why agree to sell your company for less than what the market thinks it is worth?

If EA offered more than 3B, I promise he would be thinking differently, unless he felt strongly that in the near term he could increase of the value considerably, or 3B was just the tip of the iceberg.
 

BoberFett

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I think you are giving him too much altruistic credit.

If his company was valued at 3B, and EA offers 1 Billion, he is encouraged to say what he did. Why agree to sell your company for less than what the market thinks it is worth?

If EA offered more than 3B, I promise he would be thinking differently, unless he felt strongly that in the near term he could increase of the value considerably, or 3B was just the tip of the iceberg.

EA doesn't have 3B+ cash on hand, so they'd have to do some sort of leveraged buyout, meaning the sellers would have to have faith that the purchaser is going to make the investment work and not drive their company into the ground. How's EAs history in that regard?
 

mmntech

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EA tries to compete by getting themselves involved in ventures they have no business being in. So instead of doing one or two things well, they do ten things that suck. It's why they're doing so poorly.
 

wuliheron

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I hope Gabe lives loooooong life.

I think even if Gabe died he'd turn control of the company over to another programmer. He's following in the footsteps of technocrats like Steve Jobs who know how to use technology for more than just leveraging the most immediate profit. I only wish some of them could taking over the banking industry.
 

VulgarDisplay

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I honestly don't get all the hate for EA these days. They have some of the best franchises in the business at the moment. MoH, BF, Crysis, and mass effect are all great.

I honestly can't think of anything good that Activision has currently. The blizzard stuff is decent, but not my cup of tea. EA's developers are doing more innovation than any of the other dev's out there, but that's just my opinion.

Valve is obviously the best, but they don't release games that frequently.
 

KaOTiK

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I honestly don't get all the hate for EA these days. They have some of the best franchises in the business at the moment. MoH, BF, Crysis, and mass effect are all great.

I honestly can't think of anything good that Activision has currently. The blizzard stuff is decent, but not my cup of tea. EA's developers are doing more innovation than any of the other dev's out there, but that's just my opinion.

Valve is obviously the best, but they don't release games that frequently.

Ok, lets try and break this down.

EA buys talent and runs it into the ground 99% of the time. They have ruined many excellent franchises that they have bought. While they are a company and aim to make money, they have become extremely short sighted in about it and doing anything and everything to turn a quick profit now instead of looking more long term.

As for their franchises, lets break it down, starting with the ones you named.

MoH, has been run into the ground and they have tried rebooting it once and failed and are trying again. They want it to be CoD sadly and use BF beta's as incentive to preordering/buying it.

BF, great series, not going to argue, but, BF3 is a step down from its predecessor and now with BF4 announced for next year and they want to do leap frog development with a new MoH one year and a BF the next year, they will quickly wear it out most probable.

Crysis, they don't own it, they are just the publishers or maybe pay for some of the development, but Crytek is not owned by EA.

Mass Effect. Good games that got progressively less RPG and more just action and became a DLC milker with the last holding out an important part of the lore for another $10. Bioware was not bought by EA till ME2 was around half way done.

Need for Speed, seriously, do we even need to get into this? This poor series has become so lost that they actually had you get out of the car and run in the last one. Now because they can figure out how to make a good one again, they are taking the best one they made in some time (Most Wanted) and are already remaking it.

Simcity. Ahh how we all love some city building, now with always on connection to play, you know because you have to have some douchebags city next to yours and you can already tell people will do shit to screw with your city by making their city so bad Detroit looks like paradise. Not to mention it took them over a decade to even touch the franchise again.

Dead Space. Good fun games and a original IP made up all by themselves not long ago.

All their sports games, new roster same price, year after year.

Dragon Age. First one? Amazing. Second one? Horrible. The difference? Bioware was not owned by EA till the first one was 90% done.

Command & Conquer. I'm not even gonna get into this.


On top of just buying talent/IP's and then destroying them for the quick buck with lots of questionable practices. They try to do a bit of everything but in the end, they are just bad to average in it all instead. Look at Origin, it has been out a year and no changes to it despite a lot of stuff on it needing a fix.

There are other bad publishers/devs out there. I agree, Activison is freaking horrid, if it wasn't for a new CoD each year and Blizzard that company would be dead by now. Ubisoft is another, they are about as two faced as it comes. But EA just takes what is bad from other publishers and adds they own crap on top of it to make it all much worst. I guess we did find what EA is good at heh.

Basically it all comes down to this.

EA is not good for gaming.
 
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I honestly don't get all the hate for EA these days. They have some of the best franchises in the business at the moment. MoH, BF, Crysis, and mass effect are all great.

I honestly can't think of anything good that Activision has currently. The blizzard stuff is decent, but not my cup of tea. EA's developers are doing more innovation than any of the other dev's out there, but that's just my opinion.

Valve is obviously the best, but they don't release games that frequently.

Mass Effect went to shit (in my opinion) after EA bought it. The game just became so much different and less unique in its subsequent sequels. The original had a vast explorable universe, and that explorative nature shrank in 2 and even further in ME3.

I do like Battlefield though
 

Maximilian

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EA already owned Bioware before any of the ME games were released.

True but mass effect 1 was developed when it was just Bioware, EA bought the company in october 2007, ME1 was released in november 2007. So EA had basically ah heck all to do with the first game.
 

shortylickens

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I hope it serves as a guide to other software companies. I get so sick when EA swallows up good franchises and trashes them.
 

Karsten

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I think you are giving him too much altruistic credit.

If his company was valued at 3B, and EA offers 1 Billion, he is encouraged to say what he did. Why agree to sell your company for less than what the market thinks it is worth?

If EA offered more than 3B, I promise he would be thinking differently, unless he felt strongly that in the near term he could increase of the value considerably, or 3B was just the tip of the iceberg.

I don't think you are right. There comes a point where money doesn't mean much anymore. 1b or 3b means nothing. At 1b Gabe, all of the people at steam and friends and family can retire and even have their kids and grandkids do nothing but whatever they like. Make it 3 times as much doesn't change a thing.

What matters to Gabe is life and enjoying what he does. Over the years he has proven that fact again and again. He simply enjoys where he is in life and wouldn't change a thing.

Its similar with Peter Jackson and LOTR. He cold care less about the money, he is done, finished. But he cares about the people he works with, the country he films in and the story. Does he need the work.... nope, does he other than a majority of people actually enjoy what he is doing... yep.

The answer of Gabe even if the offer was 5b would have been the same, because it would mean that what he does would change dramatically and he has zero interest in doing that!

That is the reason why STEAM isn't a public company. Could he make MUCH more money in the short term and really cash in? Yup for sure, but from that point on STEAM would become EA. Faceless investors that don't care about anything else but the next quarter. If STEAM was a public company you would be at HL Episode 6 or 7. It would suck, but you would have it!
 
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Sentrosi2121

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Ok, lets try and break this down.

EA buys talent and runs it into the ground 99% of the time. They have ruined many excellent franchises that they have bought. While they are a company and aim to make money, they have become extremely short sighted in about it and doing anything and everything to turn a quick profit now instead of looking more long term.

As for their franchises, lets break it down, starting with the ones you named.

MoH, has been run into the ground and they have tried rebooting it once and failed and are trying again. They want it to be CoD sadly and use BF beta's as incentive to preordering/buying it.

BF, great series, not going to argue, but, BF3 is a step down from its predecessor and now with BF4 announced for next year and they want to do leap frog development with a new MoH one year and a BF the next year, they will quickly wear it out most probable.

Crysis, they don't own it, they are just the publishers or maybe pay for some of the development, but Crytek is not owned by EA.

Mass Effect. Good games that got progressively less RPG and more just action and became a DLC milker with the last holding out an important part of the lore for another $10. Bioware was not bought by EA till ME2 was around half way done.

Need for Speed, seriously, do we even need to get into this? This poor series has become so lost that they actually had you get out of the car and run in the last one. Now because they can figure out how to make a good one again, they are taking the best one they made in some time (Most Wanted) and are already remaking it.

Simcity. Ahh how we all love some city building, now with always on connection to play, you know because you have to have some douchebags city next to yours and you can already tell people will do shit to screw with your city by making their city so bad Detroit looks like paradise. Not to mention it took them over a decade to even touch the franchise again.

Dead Space. Good fun games and a original IP made up all by themselves not long ago.

All their sports games, new roster same price, year after year.

Dragon Age. First one? Amazing. Second one? Horrible. The difference? Bioware was not owned by EA till the first one was 90% done.

Command & Conquer. I'm not even gonna get into this.


On top of just buying talent/IP's and then destroying them for the quick buck with lots of questionable practices. They try to do a bit of everything but in the end, they are just bad to average in it all instead. Look at Origin, it has been out a year and no changes to it despite a lot of stuff on it needing a fix.

There are other bad publishers/devs out there. I agree, Activison is freaking horrid, if it wasn't for a new CoD each year and Blizzard that company would be dead by now. Ubisoft is another, they are about as two faced as it comes. But EA just takes what is bad from other publishers and adds they own crap on top of it to make it all much worst. I guess we did find what EA is good at heh.

Basically it all comes down to this.

EA is not good for gaming.

An EXCELLENT writeup KaOTiK. I would like to add that EA screwed up SWTOR. It had so much potential but EA pushed it out the door about a year too early.
 

Maximilian

Lifer
Feb 8, 2004
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Ok, lets try and break this down.

EA buys talent and runs it into the ground 99% of the time. They have ruined many excellent franchises that they have bought. While they are a company and aim to make money, they have become extremely short sighted in about it and doing anything and everything to turn a quick profit now instead of looking more long term.

As for their franchises, lets break it down, starting with the ones you named.

MoH, has been run into the ground and they have tried rebooting it once and failed and are trying again. They want it to be CoD sadly and use BF beta's as incentive to preordering/buying it.

BF, great series, not going to argue, but, BF3 is a step down from its predecessor and now with BF4 announced for next year and they want to do leap frog development with a new MoH one year and a BF the next year, they will quickly wear it out most probable.

Crysis, they don't own it, they are just the publishers or maybe pay for some of the development, but Crytek is not owned by EA.

Mass Effect. Good games that got progressively less RPG and more just action and became a DLC milker with the last holding out an important part of the lore for another $10. Bioware was not bought by EA till ME2 was around half way done.

Need for Speed, seriously, do we even need to get into this? This poor series has become so lost that they actually had you get out of the car and run in the last one. Now because they can figure out how to make a good one again, they are taking the best one they made in some time (Most Wanted) and are already remaking it.

Simcity. Ahh how we all love some city building, now with always on connection to play, you know because you have to have some douchebags city next to yours and you can already tell people will do shit to screw with your city by making their city so bad Detroit looks like paradise. Not to mention it took them over a decade to even touch the franchise again.

Dead Space. Good fun games and a original IP made up all by themselves not long ago.

All their sports games, new roster same price, year after year.

Dragon Age. First one? Amazing. Second one? Horrible. The difference? Bioware was not owned by EA till the first one was 90% done.

Command & Conquer. I'm not even gonna get into this.


On top of just buying talent/IP's and then destroying them for the quick buck with lots of questionable practices. They try to do a bit of everything but in the end, they are just bad to average in it all instead. Look at Origin, it has been out a year and no changes to it despite a lot of stuff on it needing a fix.

There are other bad publishers/devs out there. I agree, Activison is freaking horrid, if it wasn't for a new CoD each year and Blizzard that company would be dead by now. Ubisoft is another, they are about as two faced as it comes. But EA just takes what is bad from other publishers and adds they own crap on top of it to make it all much worst. I guess we did find what EA is good at heh.

Basically it all comes down to this.

EA is not good for gaming.

Yup, this...

I would just like to add that EA also sit on franchises doing nothing with them like some greedy stepchild, they still own the rights to dungeon keeper, populous, theme park etc all the bullfrog stuff its waaay too late to turn them into quick cash cows but they don't sell the IP, they just sit on it.

Whereas activision blizzard sold all the crap they werent interested in using:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Activision_Blizzard
"Results of the merger
Shortly after the conclusion of the merger, Thomas Tippl, CFO, alluded to future layoffs stating that the company "will exterminate some of our overlap through redundancy – but we will treat people fairly and respectfully in that process."[17] Also, games such as Brütal Legend, Ghostbusters: The Video Game, The Chronicles of Riddick: Assault on Dark Athena, World in Conflict: Soviet Assault, 50 Cent: Blood on the Sand, Zombie Wranglers, Leisure Suit Larry: Box Office Bust and Wet were all dropped from the publisher to be picked up by other companies."

Both companies suck but IMO EA are worse.
 

cmdrdredd

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Dec 12, 2001
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It wasn't about money. Valve is privately held and was started by Gabe andb partners feom wealth obtained from Microsoft. Gabe starTed it and I don't think he wants it to get eaten up by corporate big wigs. Plus I guess in his mind it would be better to let it disappear than be swallowed and milked until the name no longer means anything.
 

smackababy

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Oct 30, 2008
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Ok, lets try and break this down.

Okay, lets try and understand your breakdown. You are saying, the developers of said games that "went downhill" had nothing to do with how they turned out? They didn't want to go in a different direction? And BF3 is a great example. The game was released 6 years after BF2. Ignoring that the FPS landscape has changed drastically, the game sold nearly 4 times as much as the beloved BF2. 2.25 million units vs. 8 million.

Regardless of your opinions on EA, they make games that sell. I am sure all these "great" companies you think EA ruined would have sold so well... please enlighten me on your financial expertise in the gaming industry. The big wigs at EA are smarter than you, otherwise they wouldn't have a billion in cash to offer Steam.