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Originally posted by: Soviet
Originally posted by: s44
MASSIVE UPDATE
Good stuff, what about spore though?
Originally posted by: s44
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Wow, Bioware must have convinced EA to have a change of heart....Q: What is the difference between the old PC disc authentication solution and the new online model?
A: Two things have changed:
? First, authentication of discs has now gone from the physical format to the online format, freeing the need for consumers to have a disc in the drive at all times.
? Second, with online authentication consumers now connect to the Internet the first time the game is launched and are required only to reconnect if they are downloading new game content.
Originally posted by: EarthwormJim
Originally posted by: MTDEW
Anyway,
Lets look at movies for a sec, you can download a movie, and "shrink" it and remove all the extras to get it to fit on a regular cheap dvd, and if you want a NICE copy, you can even download and print the label right onto the dvd and make a dvd sleeve cover, then you have a copy that took a lot of work and time just to have a version that is "almost" as good as the copy you can buy at Walmart for $15 - $20.
And your "close to legit" copy cost you time , ink and a dvd case and cover anyway.
So even people who pirate movies, most likely still buy a real copy if they like the movie and intend to keep it in their collection because its so cheap to own the real thing.
What if a person doesn't care about it appearing close to legit? What if all they want is the movie. $20 a movie adds up quickly, especially if you're in the 18-25 range, which I'm sure the majority of pirates are.
I really think the only way to combat piracy, is cheaper prices. It's already clear people don't care about picture quality and packaging. Maybe if movie companies came out with lower quality, but cheaper movie videos, piracy could go down.
Originally posted by: s44
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Originally posted by: MTDEW
Originally posted by: s44
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Now thats GREAT!
God knows i always install a game and go looking for the crack right away, so i dont need the disc in the drive and i can easily go from one game to another without disc swapping hassle.
Im still not 100% happy, Bioshock was a pain in the rear for me like most people who bought it at launch, so much so that i keep a "burnt" copy in the case with my retail copy so i can easily install and play it later if i want without the hassle.
But i dont argue that companies have a right to protect their products, i just wish that with all the people who argue that copy protection only hurts legitimate buyers of the software, that people had more suggestions / ideas of how else to do it.
Because, although i HATE this method, its the best method ive seen so far.
It sure beats that Starforce crap loading junk on my pc.
Originally posted by: MTDEW
Originally posted by: s44
MASSIVE UPDATE
Now thats GREAT!
God knows i always install a game and go looking for the crack right away, so i dont need the disc in the drive and i can easily go from one game to another without disc swapping hassle.
Im still not 100% happy, Bioshock was a pain in the rear for me like most people who bought it at launch, so much so that i keep a "burnt" copy in the case with my retail copy so i can easily install and play it later if i want without the hassle.
But i dont argue that companies have a right to protect their products, i just wish that with all the people who argue that copy protection only hurts legitimate buyers of the software, that people had more suggestions / ideas of how else to do it.
Because, although i HATE this method, its the best method ive seen so far.
It sure beats that Starforce crap loading junk on my pc.
Originally posted by: MTDEW
They did eventually up the Bioshock installs to 5. (for me anyway, after i called a number)
And i believe the limited installs "expires" at some point and it can be installed as much as possible. (it may already be that way for Bioshock, i havent tried installing it in awhile)
But YES i do agree that limiting the number of installs is a pain.
I used up my 3 Bioshock installs installing it on my wifes pc, then on my pc using Vista and Winxp to see the difference directx 10 made.(i was dual booting at the time)
Anyway, i dont think they believe they can stop piracy.
If anything all this does is delay the game being cracked by a week or so, which should help sales at the games release.
Its the best of all worlds for legitimate users, the publisher and pirates.
1: The legit users dont have any starforce crap installed on their pc's and dont have to look for cracks to play without the disc in the drive.
2: The pirates only need to be patient for a week or so after release if they insist on not buying a retail copy they were NEVER gonna buy anyway.
3: The publisher is happy that their sales are higher.
I mean C'mon, what are the pirates complaining about? That they dont get to play the game as soon as people who purchased it do? BIG WHOOP!...So be a "patient pirate" for a week or so, thats fair, the people who purchase legitimate copies PAID for the right to play before you!
Man, we should all be happy with this...everyone wins
And hopefully it will help keep pc gaming alive.
Sadly, in this day and age, it just may be too much to ask.All I want is to buy a game, and use it with no restrictions. I *bought* it. Is that really, really too much to ask? Seriously.
Originally posted by: Jax Omen
Prediction: Spore will be the most-pirated game this year. Mass Effect would be up there except everyone who cares already played it on Xbox.
And yeah, it makes me want to pirate it. Instead, I'll probably buy the game then run a crack to circumvent the intrusive DRM. It's what I did with Bioshock >_>
Originally posted by: Lithan
This is hilarious. It'll be cracked in a matter of hours after release.
Originally posted by: MTDEW
Sadly, in this day and age, it just may be too much to ask.All I want is to buy a game, and use it with no restrictions. I *bought* it. Is that really, really too much to ask? Seriously.
Ya gotta feel for the developers who put so much work into their games only to watch their work get stolen.
Its a shame that pirates dont actually ever buy a retail copy of a game that they think is great, like most post they will do if they like the game , because great games really do deserve great sales figures.
As well as crap games deserve poor sales.
Oh, BTW..
I mentioned i was posting about Oblivion mods, theres a game that never had any protection scheme yet still sold very well....go figure.
Originally posted by: Canai
God dammit. I was going to buy Spore, but I guess I'll skip that one now. Games dialing home every week are NOT something I want going on with my computer. My internet is unstable as it is, and drops randomly (fuck Charter), and if I buy a game, I don't want to *have* to be connected to the internet to play it. Now, if it checked the validity of the game whenever it updated or uploaded or downloaded a new creature pack, that would be fine. But a time based check? They just lost themselves a sale.
Edit: Mass Effect's DRM scheme is looking great though. One time online validation, and no need for the disc in the drive. That one might be worth purchasing, unless they port the console control scheme and interface.
Hey Spore Fans -
We wanted to let you know that we've been hearing your concerns about the online authentication mentioned earlier this week. I didn't want to head into the weekend without getting back to you with some information about how Spore is planning on using this new system.
A few things we wanted you to know:
* We authenticate your game online when you install and launch it the first time.
* We'll re-authenticate when a player uses online features, downloads new content or a patch for their game.
* The new system means you don't have to play with the disc in your computer. And if you are like me, always losing discs, this will be a huge benefit.
* You'll still be able to install and play on multiple computers.
* You can play offline.
We do hope that players will play online - sharing creatures, buildings and vehicles with other players is something that is unique to Spore and one of the coolest features of the game. Every day, when I play the Creature Stage, I get to see wacky and awesome new creatures from my Buddies on the team coming over the hill at me and I can't wait to see what happens when our creative, passionate community starts sharing their creations.
I'd love to write more - but I need to get back to work. We've got a game to finish.
-caryl
Yes. They could easily have planned for this from the start to make the activations go down easier. All it's about, all it ever was about, is that they don't want to sell you the game. They want to sell you a non-transferrable license to install a couple times. Sure, they might allow it now. They might even allow it later, technically, all the while inserting just enough confusion, trouble and FUD into the process that it's hard or impossible to either install more times yourself or resell the game.Originally posted by: YEPP
Dunno how this is looking great, they're still limiting you to 3 lifetime activations then you're at the mercy of EA to give you permission to continue playing a game you've paid for. Not to mention the intrusive DRM they are using to enforce this.