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e6800 with a 6870

steve wilson

Senior member
Hi Guys,
How would this rig go purely for gaming. I play most WOW, MW2, Assassins Creed 2, will be playing black ops and maybe SC2.

E6800 3.33ghz dual core 1066mhz
2GB 800mhz Ram
ASUS P5W DH Mobo
ATI 6870 Graphics card

Basically I want a cheap upgrade to keep me going for a year or so before I can afford a new rig.

I currently have the above with an e6400 2.4ghz and an ATI 5770.
 
i think he already has the dual core. how about O/Cing it to 4GHz, that chip has a x12.5 multiplier right? if you have a decent aftermarket CPU cooler it shouldn't be hard (only requiring 320MHz FSB).

an O/Ced dual core can feed most VGA cards just fine. aside from that, i'd invest a little more and get 2-4 more GB RAM. DDR2 is very cheap anyways.
 
Res: 1280 x1024 for now, want to go higher with next rig (so kinda hoping 6870 will be future proofing that.

Budget: £300 (that's around 465 USD, but products are much cheaper in the US)

OS: Windows XP 32bit

I have had my first go at OCing today actually. It has a 9x multiplier I'm pretty sure. All I've really done is increase the FSB from 266 to 300 and got it to 2.7ghz. It's only my first go and I'm going to attempt better later.

Oh and my current chip is an e6600 not e6400 as I put in the first post. Sorry.

@ maniac: I thought Dual core was better for gaming simply because they are clocked higher and most games don't support multi cores very well yet.
 
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Tomshardware had a posting about how most games out right now don't benefit from going dual core to quad but some do. I would say just bump ram to 4 gigs for sure and you should be fine especially with those games.
 
Read that article shredded, would of been interresting to see a dual core overclock in their as well as the quad core, but I suppose they only have so much time. Interestingly though most game you can get away with still having a dual core.

Unfortunately I don't think I'd get much out of 4 gigs of RAM with my PC being a 32 bit OS. I already have 2 gig, the graphics cards is 1 gig and the memory address takes up some space... so I'm probably only going to get 500-800mb usage of the 4 gig that a 32 bit OS can use.

I think OC is the answer... just going to take time to get it right.
 
LGA775 is not a very cost effective platform right now. The chips are just too expensive compared to an upgrade path to Core i3/i5/i7.

Fortunately your motherboard does appear to support Wolfdale / Yorkfield chips with FSB of 1333 or 1600. This would be a temporary upgrade.

If you can afford $465 USD I would look into upgrading to Core i3 / i5 and maybe even i7.
 
well, E6600 to E6800 isn't much of an upgrade, especially if you overclock. You see, all of the Core2 chips pretty much come out of the same mold, but some come out better than others,(granted the e6800 comes out of a smaller version of that mold with some small improvements, and the ability to overclock further, but that's relatively minor) they quickly sort them based on quality, then put the number on them and lock the multiplier at whatever speed they see fit. Because of that, if your motherboard can support a high enough FSB speed at it's end, you can pretty much trick the e6600 into thinking it's an e6800 and running at that speed (or even higher). Now, sometimes the quality of the chip isn't that great, and it won't work trying to run as if it was a higher chip, but 45nm has been around for a while and intel has gotten very good at it, so there's a very high chance it will.

Also, while they're clocked lower, the Core2 Quads are basically just a pair of Core2 Duos glued together. Pretty much the only extra risk on the chip side is that one of the chips will stop being able to run any higher long before the other. (as long as you keep the heat in check) On the motherboard side there is the risk that your motherboard might not be able to run it's FSB high enough to max out the chip, or that you might try to draw more power than the motherboard can supply.

My reccomendation if you already have an e6600 is to see how high it can go. If you hit 3.5ghz or so (wasn't that about the safe max for the 65nm intels?) then your computer will probably feel pretty fast again. If i had to guess I'd say that right now you're pretty CPU limited at 2.4ghz. I game at 1080p, and my Kuma is probably the equivalent of your CPU at 2.7ghz, and my 4870 is only a tad faster than the 5770, and I feel like I'm generally CPU limited with all the graphics settings virtually all the way up. (I have shadows one notch below max in WoW, and textures at medium instead of high in SC2 because I have the 512MB 4870)
 
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WinXP 32 bit uses around approx. 3.5 gigs of Ram. I was using 2 gigs and WinXP too then went to 4 gigs. I noticed just smoother gameplay with the extra memory but about 3 months ago upgraded to Win 7 64 bit. I would overclock what you have and get the video card. It is not worth upgrading socket 775 in my opinion unless you could find a cheap Q9550 or better which I might wait for in the next year or so to come down to around 100 bones...After that article I've been spending more hardware money on games 🙂 I have an e5200 oced to 3.4 with a 5850 and it does great in all games that I play. Have to lower rez in a few games just slightly but visual difference doesn't justify 400+ bux for upgrade. I'll wait till sandybridge most likely.
 
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I would agree with the rest. There is no point upgrading that CPU with that platform. Get the graphics card and do some OC'ing, and save up more and get a i5 or even i7 system.
 
Res: 1280 x1024 for now, want to go higher with next rig (so kinda hoping 6870 will be future proofing that.

Budget: £300 (that's around 465 USD, but products are much cheaper in the US)

OS: Windows XP 32bit

I have had my first go at OCing today actually. It has a 9x multiplier I'm pretty sure. All I've really done is increase the FSB from 266 to 300 and got it to 2.7ghz. It's only my first go and I'm going to attempt better later.

Oh and my current chip is an e6600 not e6400 as I put in the first post. Sorry.

@ maniac: I thought Dual core was better for gaming simply because they are clocked higher and most games don't support multi cores very well yet.

If 1280x1024 is your goal, then what you have proposed is a little overkill. My setup (4200+ X2 and HD3850) runs all the games I play at nearly max settings on that resolution, and the 6870 is probably an order of magnitude faster than my video card.
 
I wouldn't upgrade anything. As long as you're gaming at 1280x1024, your 5770 and CPU should be more than sufficient. Overclock the CPU and keep saving until you're ready for a new system.
 
Your next upgrade should be the OS or the monitor. Win7 will be out for a while and you are going to be limited by the RAM limit of 32bit OS.

Get a new monitor! SERIOUSLY the best upgrade you can get for gaming. Everything is, well, bigger! and prettier! I have a e6400 and a 4870, so lower than your stuff, and I can play those games in 1680x1050 at good frame rates.

I hope you take everyones suggestion and don't spend the money on a new CPU. Get 64bit, get more ram, OR just get a new monitor with the system as is. A new graphics card won't make your screen bigger.
 
Forget about the 32-bit limit and how you won't see the last half a gig of memory. Buy 2 more gbs of ram and OC your cpu. That is all the upgrade you need to tide you over till your real system upgrade.
 
Games use about 60 to 70 percent at most on Core i processors and Core 2 Quad

A e6850 alto you can OC each core very high like 3Ghz on stock voltage it will be a bit of a bottleneck for todays games.. Just a tiny bit,, give it a shot see how you like it , It will use 100 percent of your CPU where as quad would use 70 percent and have 30 percent free for phsyx etc. Most games are 30 percent to 70 percent usage Crysis engine

Not having those two cores will be a bottleneck but not a big big one. just a big one. hehe capeeesh!
 
the e6800 will get a price cut at the end of oct, making it 85. i think that is a pretty good upgrade for that price
 
Hi Guys,
How would this rig go purely for gaming. I play most WOW, MW2, Assassins Creed 2, will be playing black ops and maybe SC2.

These games don't need an HD6870. Grab the cheaper HD6850 instead and save some $$$. Also, just overclock the E6600 to 3.4ghz. The E6800 is hardly an upgrade from the E6600 if both are clocked at 3.4ghz. Don't waste $$ going from 1 dual core to another.
 
Hi Guys,
Thanks for the advise. I wont be buying the e6800 and I've tried overclocking using the excellent guide stickied in this forum... at 3ghz at the moment I was going to ask how far I should aim but 3.5ghz seems to be the maximum already answered (you guys are psychic! 🙂 ).

Referring to the memory upgrade... are you sure that it's worth it? I'm sure I read with a 1 gig card and 2 gig already I will see less than half the memory...but since it is a very cheap upgrade ... I suppose it probably will still be worth it.

Again thanks for all the help guys, I really appreciate it.
 
Wait ... if you have a hd 5770 (dx11), then why are you running windows xp (dx9)?

First order of business for you should be to get a windows 7 copy. Then you might want to overclock your cpu, no need for a new one - get a decent cpu aftermarket cooler if you don't already have one. You might also want to add 2 more gigs of ram, but ... meh. Lastly, your hd 5770 is just perfect for that resolution, anything faster would be overkill.

edit: ah I see you've already covered some steps, that's good.
 
OK I've got stuck at 3Ghz with my OC.

cpuid1.jpg

By steve_wilson1 at 2010-10-28

I don't understand why my memory says 250.1 mhz when it is 800mhz DDR2 RAM... shouldn't it say 400mhz?

Another thing I don't understand is the FSB to DRAM frequency. Do I have to keep my FSB to multiples of 33? Or can I put any number in here such as 340?

I tried going from 9 x 333 (3ghz) to 9 x 366 but my game crashed (Assassins creed 2) after about 5 minutes... so I'm assuming it's unstable. I left the voltage on auto for the for Vcore... should I increase this and try again?
 
DRAM frequency 250MHz = DDR2 @500MHz.
If you change your RAM multiplier to get FSB: DRAM 1:1, then you will running the DDR2 @667MHz (still well within spec). But it is good to keep your RAM running at a safe low speed while you test out the limits of your CPU OC. RAM speed is secondary, and can wait till later.
 
OK I've got stuck at 3Ghz with my OC.

cpuid1.jpg

By steve_wilson1 at 2010-10-28

I don't understand why my memory says 250.1 mhz when it is 800mhz DDR2 RAM... shouldn't it say 400mhz?

Another thing I don't understand is the FSB to DRAM frequency. Do I have to keep my FSB to multiples of 33? Or can I put any number in here such as 340?

I tried going from 9 x 333 (3ghz) to 9 x 366 but my game crashed (Assassins creed 2) after about 5 minutes... so I'm assuming it's unstable. I left the voltage on auto for the for Vcore... should I increase this and try again?

Do NOT leave your voltage on auto while overclocking! You could be feeding your components unhealthy voltage. Immediately put in a manual value for all voltages where you are changing the clock speeds to ensure your motherboard doesn't provide too much voltage.

EDIT: Read this guide to better understand how to overclock your processor:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=47089&highlight=c2d+overclocking+guide
 
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DRAM frequency 250MHz = DDR2 @500MHz.
If you change your RAM multiplier to get FSB: DRAM 1:1, then you will running the DDR2 @667MHz (still well within spec). But it is good to keep your RAM running at a safe low speed while you test out the limits of your CPU OC. RAM speed is secondary, and can wait till later.
But DRAM frequencies lower than 1:1 aren't normally available on Intel chipsets. This is either a CPU-Z error, or he's using a non-Intel chipset. (Or possibly an older chipset, like 865?)
 
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