e6600 OC issues (need confirmation)

[bterrill]

Let me start with my specs;
Build Specs:

Case = Thermaltake Armor Series VA8000BWS Black Aluminum/Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case
Motherboard = ASUS P5B Deluxe/WiFi-AP Socket T (LGA 775) Intel P965 Express ATX Intel Motherboard
PSU Unit = HIPER HPU-4B580-MS ATX12V 580W Power Supply 100 - 120V
Video Card = eVGA 512-P2-N635-AR Geforce 7950GT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card
Memory = GeIL Ultra 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1000 (PC2 8000) Dual Channel Kit
DVD = LG 16X DVD±R Super-Multi DVD Burner With 12X DVD-RAM Write Black E-IDE/ATAPI
CPU = Intel® Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe Processor 2.4GHz, 1066FSB, LGA775, 4MB Cache
HD = Western Digital Raptor WD1500ADFD 150GB Serial ATA 10,000RPM Hard Drive w/16MB Buffer
Cooling = Swiftech APEX Ultra Liquid Cooling

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OK now that this is out of the way. I'm having immense problems not only pushing this chip but also getting stabe clocks. What I'm starting to wonder is if either my PSU is inefficent (it was purchased prior to upgrading to liquid cooling, which seems to eat tons of power) or if it's because the mobo doesn't officially support DDR2 1066 MHZ.

What I can do is get to around 3.6-3.7 stable, well, not like dual prime or orthos stable but pi 8/32 stable (after that I would just keep going up)

It's the exact same spot it chokes. 3.93~ ghz. It does not matter if I use 9 multi, or 8 everytime I hit this clock speed its downhill. It will post, but windows will show logo and then reboot itself, or it will 1/10 load desktop but crash within 5 seconds. On the uber rare occassion I'll get to the 10th~ loop of pi @ 4 M before it dies.

I've tried slow clocking, SB volt stuff, high vcores, low vcores, 1:1 fsb memory, evertyhing I can. I've disabled all the bs I don't need and all that. I've literally, for 3 days striaght, been trying to hit 4 GHZ. I've went all the way down to 6 multi from 266 up until Icouldn't no more, rinse repeat on every multi. What I cannot fathom is how people on AIR COOLING are hitting 3.8-4.1 GHZ with a E6300/6400(the 2.13 one) yet I can barely hit 3.7 LIQUID COOLED on a e6600

My only other idea beyon the psu not having enough juice (which I do not think is the case, as I have a UPS in my office and with all 4 pcs kvm'd and running in the UPS it's watt consumption is only around 700WATT, and only about 290-350 steady comes ffom this OC'd e6600.

What I also wonder is it my video card? I'll be honest, I've not FPS'd since back when soldier of fortune 2 and quake 3 were popular; but I do want to return , and return in style. From my understanding [now] this video card I have maybe factory OC'd or something. I do notice sometimes in the boot to windows it will start showing the logo but it's like... how would you say, almost non-existance, faded like, looks like my card cannot display it or something, so I kept uping my PCI until it was around 117 and then it wouldn't boot windows anymore.

I also think it's not heat issue. I literally freeze my ass off when I'm next to this armor box. There's a zillion fans on there apart from the radiator and I use fan controlling on them all for warp speed. I also have other fans on there apart from the stock 4 and this also has a side panel 250 mm fan. It literaly blows out air condintioning like air.

I don't know how bad this will be but I was having to run around this setting to even hit 440 FSB @ 9 =3960 and I did PI 1 M a few times but more than that it would crash or crash in the boot.

VCORE: 1.65-1.67
SB: 1.8
NB: 1.55
FSB term: 1.4, sometimes auto
Memory: 2.25 (this is geils rated mem @ 4-4-4-12 its their "ultra low latency DDR2 kit"

I started at 266 MHZ cpu, 533 memory, 1.4 vcore, 2.15 memory and 1.6 SB (no NB until my pci express goes to 1x).

I don't know what is the problem here. Ican read countless guys on here, tomshardware, xtremesystems, hardforums etc hitting 4+ Ghz [on air 20% of the time with the big typoon cooler) and many say 3.8-3.9 is cake on liquid cooling and at this time I'd honestly be happy with a stable 3.8 or 3.9 ..........

Does my mobo suck for high oc?
Is my ram too good for the board?
Am I just complete noob with my volts?

I'm not asking to be babied, but I am totally stumped on what I can do to get a high stable OC, afterall, that is why I bought the compents and cooling I listed... not to run stock =o

 

[n7]

d00d...

You have 3.9+ GHz & you're unhappy :Q

You've hit your CPU's max.

It's that simple.

 

[bterrill]

Originally posted by: n7
d00d...

You have 3.9+ GHz & you're unhappy :Q

You've hit your CPU's max.

It's that simple.

negative, I have a stable 3.6 GHZ, max, I can hit 3.9 and crash out the ass or run pi 1M and thats all. I cannot encode DVDs, or anything useful at this clock.

After 3.6 GHZ I do not consider it stable by anymeans, and I far from did the "24 hour dual torture test" type stuff while @ 3.6, but I did have the pc on for a few days burning / encoding dvds and stuff like that runnig benchmarks here and there.

IF I had a stable 3.9 I surely would not be bitching, nor would 4GHZ probably be hard to obtain.

It seems this boards max FSB = 440~ but it cannot be, many review sites pushed theirs to 4ghz+ and said it was rather easy

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: bterrill

Originally posted by: n7
d00d...

You have 3.9+ GHz & you're unhappy :Q

You've hit your CPU's max.

It's that simple.

negative, I have a stable 3.6 GHZ, max, I can hit 3.9 and crash out the ass or run pi 1M and thats all. I cannot encode DVDs, or anything useful at this clock.

After 3.6 GHZ I do not consider it stable by anymeans, and I far from did the "24 hour dual torture test" type stuff while @ 3.6, but I did have the pc on for a few days burning / encoding dvds and stuff like that runnig benchmarks here and there.

IF I had a stable 3.9 I surely would not be bitching, nor would 4GHZ probably be hard to obtain.

It seems this boards max FSB = 440~ but it cannot be, many review sites pushed theirs to 4ghz+ and said it was rather easy

He's right. Go buy yourself an E6600 ES stepping, if you're wanting to hit 4 Ghz easily.

 

[JAG87]

Originally posted by: myocardia

Originally posted by: bterrill

Originally posted by: n7
d00d...

You have 3.9+ GHz & you're unhappy :Q

You've hit your CPU's max.

It's that simple.

negative, I have a stable 3.6 GHZ, max, I can hit 3.9 and crash out the ass or run pi 1M and thats all. I cannot encode DVDs, or anything useful at this clock.

After 3.6 GHZ I do not consider it stable by anymeans, and I far from did the "24 hour dual torture test" type stuff while @ 3.6, but I did have the pc on for a few days burning / encoding dvds and stuff like that runnig benchmarks here and there.

IF I had a stable 3.9 I surely would not be bitching, nor would 4GHZ probably be hard to obtain.

It seems this boards max FSB = 440~ but it cannot be, many review sites pushed theirs to 4ghz+ and said it was rather easy

He's right. Go buy yourself an E6600 ES stepping, if you're wanting to hit 4 Ghz easily.

Nothing hits 4ghz 12h orthos stable on room temperature air cooling. you hear me? NOTHING.

 

[bterrill]

Jag: That is part of my problem, if youi want to browse the paragraphs below (sorry for the length)

I am just looking for some anwsers to end the madness. Someone more experienced in this area has to know if my memory is the problem, or if the wifi version just craps out at X FSB or something. Endless google searches and forum hoping just continously lead me to tons of rants and raves of the e6600 that I'm failing to see. It's a great chip, do not get me wrong, and I donot think the chip is the problem either I think it's something in my setup or hardware but I have little to no idea what could be causing it at this point. I'm not a hardcore overclocker by anymeans, the prior extent of my knowledge was taking P4 2.4-2.8s and getting 200-300 mhz, if I'm lucky, out of them on stock hsfs. I''m definitly happy with well over 1 GHZ oc, but I'm questioning the effectiveness of a highly accalimed mobo, cpu, psu, memory, and liquid cooling bundled together. You'd think, this setup, would handle well, yet it's just dissappointing me to no other.

Then again, I have really no clue if these guys are able to be productive on their 3.9-4.2 ghz clocks. What maybe would be better help for me is to inform me on what kind of expectations I should have for production, such as: constant video encoding/decryptiong [dvdsrhink etc], high end FPS games, massive multie tasking and file i/o -- this sytem is going to b eabused on massive fronts, so perhaps a high clock just isn't possible either way for what I'm wanting, but no one realy specifiys that their clocks are just for 1 or 2 benchmarks and not production. Or in this case, is dropping the multi to like 6 or 7 for a high FSB ,but lower clock the better solution?

Would you say 3.6-3.7 GHZ out of the e6600 on my setup would be about the best I can get under these circumstances above? IF so, then I will give it up -- 4GHZ would not be worth if it you cannot do anything... I bought this pc for raw power and production, not for cpu-z url links in my sig.

Perhaps I'm just OC'n for the wrong results that would best suit me.... but again, most articles out there are centered around benchmarks and nothing else. It's hard to go by those most times for real world stuff IMO.

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edit: what you said here in another post jag might be my problem:

"you need 450+ FSB for 4GHz. You aint doing it with that RAM... it wont do 900 mhz on CL4, and probably not even at CL5. "

I can boot in to windows @ 445 FSB, this is the utter max. I cannot do anything in windows, but it will get there and crash immediatly like once the desktop is shown. I'm running @ 4-4-4-12-4-20 and sometimes I go to 5-5-5-15-30

I'm under the assumption that since im not @ 500 mhz fsb I should be able to run the times of 4-4-4-12 like it was made for @ 2.25 vole (1000mhz ddr 800).

should I be increasing them to "beyond CL5" too?

 

[JAG87]

you should run your ram at whatever SPD timings it has.

so if its rated DDR2=1000 @ 5-5-5-15
run those timings
set the voltage to rated voltage as well (2.25)

now set FSB to 450 and run 1:1 (900 mhz @ 5-5-5-15 @ 2.25v). this will take the ram completely out of the equation.

 

[JAG87]

if you still crash after youve done that with your ram, then you got a bad cpu my friend. sell and get another one.

my suggestions are week 30 and week 31 (they are fairly recent). these are B3 steppings, which are awesome clockers.

 

[AdamK47]

You say that 3.6 to 3.7 is stable but not Prime stable. If it's not Prime or Orthos stable at those speeds then I would consider it unstable. I run my X6800 at 3.44GHz on water and it's been tested dual Prime95 stable for 32 hours straight. It runs cool and does everything I want it to do. If I were you I'd back down the voltage and clock speeds to run it cooler with it Orthos/Prime stable.

 

[bterrill]

Originally posted by: AdamK47 3DS
You say that 3.6 to 3.7 is stable but not Prime stable. If it's not Prime or Orthos stable at those speeds then I would consider it unstable. I run my X6800 at 3.44GHz on water and it's been tested dual Prime95 stable for 32 hours straight. It runs cool and does everything I want it to do. If I were you I'd back down the voltage and clock speeds to run it cooler with it Orthos/Prime stable.

jag: ir doesn't crash the screen is black tho. i have to power off.

adam: I dont even have prime or know what it is ;o -- I'm not worrying bout speed anymore I've yet to actually use that pc since I put it together afew weeks ago.

played a day, went to liquid cooling, long story 2 weeks later, tried to hit 4ghz for ages, now I think it's time to just let it run at what it can and be happy.

AFTERALL, I am coming from a non-hyperthreaded p4 2.8ghz so... I should be more than happy.

sidenote, this forum has a review of the geil ddr 1000 ram I'm using. I think its from april or june and they said its the fastest ram they ever tested (they got their e6600 to 4.2-4.4 ghz somehow)

guess ill stick to being a noob with a working pc and on a rainy day try a small upgrade here and there.

thanks all for the infos

 

[orion23]

Just like others have said, you might have reached the maximum speed on that chip!

Not all chips can do 4ghz, it's not the board, or the RAM, it is the CPU that needs to handle the speed.

And Orthos cannot be done @ 4ghz running on AIR. It doesn't mean that the system is not stable, you just cannot stress it with orthos or Prime 95 on AIR.

I've had mine running @ 4ghz on AIR with 1.52V for GAME stability and I have no problems at all.

If I just want to boot and do some browsing, play music..... I can do it with 1.48V

My CPU is an E6600 week 30A BTW!

 

[bterrill]

Originally posted by: orion23
Just like others have said, you might have reached the maximum speed on that chip!

Not all chips can do 4ghz, it's not the board, or the RAM, it is the CPU that needs to handle the speed.

And Orthos cannot be done @ 4ghz running on AIR. It doesn't mean that the system is not stable, you just cannot stress it with orthos or Prime 95 on AIR.

I've had mine running @ 4ghz on AIR with 1.52V for GAME stability and I have no problems at all.

If I just want to boot and do some browsing, play music..... I can do it with 1.48V

My CPU is an E6600 week 30A BTW!

That's another thing I'm unsure of. Just because it fails stress tests could it still be "stable" -- I'm testing 400mhz fsb 3.6 right now and I've found it to fail tests fast when I set the volts etc myself but on "Auto" it's been running stress test prime95 for about 30 min (it would crash in about 4 min if i set volt)

I do not know what "week" my chip is, can you find out from cpu-z somehow? Here is a dump of my desktop as of 10 min ago, sorry it is big it's using my new samsung 20 inch widescreen sexy flatp anel

http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=infoxv0.jpg

Thanks again

 

[Malk]

Hmm, you have the PCIE x1 problem also

 

[bterrill]

Originally posted by: Malk
Hmm, you have the PCIE x1 problem also

I hear setting the NB volt to 1.55 fixes it to go back to 16 x but this is all "auto" right now but mem[2.25 as specfied from geIL] and fsb=400; I plan to tweak it after this doesn't crash for some more. I'm going to let it run overnight and then only change one volt at a time and re-run these. NB will be first to get tweaked so I can get PCI 16x back

Still running "torture test" max load of 61 C @ 3.6 ghz -- been a few hours

I dont know how long until it is "stable" but I can run PI @ 32 M also and no burps. Too bad newegg wont get my audigy here until after holiday so I could play some games and test it that way. If it can play my games w/o problem that's enough for me as a test.

3.6 might be magic number that works with these benchmark/stress testers, but the ram can run @ 1000 mhz which I would like it to do but no way in hell I can get 500 fsb on this, even @ 7-8 multipler my screen just goes black.