E4500

[dreddfunk]

I know that the Q6600 price cut is really the story of the day, but has anyone really looked at the E4500 that was just released.

The stock speed of 2.2Ghz seems to be achieved by 11x200.

Is anyone else intrigued at the combination of an 11x multiplier along with a low starting FSB point for good overclocking?

It's darn close to the E6320 in price, so that's a downer, but I'm wondering how this next round of E4x will perform.

Any thoughts?

 

[Xvys]

Intel will be releasing the E4600 this Fall, with a 12X multiplier. It is supposed to be $133 with the E4500 dropping to $113 then.

Yep, for o/c it would be cool to have a 11x or 12x multiplier. You can always turn it down, or leave it on high. We're talkin' maybe 6,000MHz with the right cooling!

 

[Cheex]

I don't think the E4x00s will ever reach that high. In fact....

Highest E4500 OC = 4821.12 MHz

And they had to use liquid nitrogen to do it.

 

[dreddfunk]

Xvys - the multiplier is awfully nice for o/c, though 6,000MHz may be a stretch

I imagine we'll see just how well these can o/c. They may not o/c well at all. Given the 11x multiplier and the 800FSB, though, if they do o/c well, it should be cheap to do it, since you won't have to push the FSB much, which in turn reduces the pressure on your RAM.

 

[dreddfunk]

Cheex - no doubt! I'm honestly just wondering if this could turn out to be a good, cheap o/c option for those new to o/c. You don't have to push the FSB much and your RAM doesn't have to be all that and a bag of chips...

 

[PCTC2]

well, the problem is getting the motherboard to the 1333MHz strap so the chipset timings are relaxed. The E4x00 series seems to OC a little better if you pin mod them to the 1333MHz strap. That means an E4500 would boot at default to 3.663GHz (if it would boot at all). Someone will have to try.

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Very few E4x00 will be able to crack the 3.7GHz barrier on air (capped @ ~430MHz FSB).

 

[bryanW1995]

it looks interesting, especially if you have an older mobo and slow ram. However, since I've already bought an ip35 pro and ballistix ddr2 1066, I would lean towards the e6550 for a few bucks more personally. Also, the e6550 should hold its value for a while longer since it doesn't have a scheduled price drop in the near future like the e4500 does. Well, at least until penryn comes out. Hopefully intel will go for $$$$ on penryn for a while and leave the older c2d's as their budget chips.

 

[VirtualLarry]

I wish Intel would release the E4600 now, along with the E2180. The latter being most important to fill the gap in their lineup - they have a 2.0Ghz 2MB L2 part, and a 2.0Ghz 0.5MB L2 part, but no 2.0Ghz 1MB L2 part.

 

[Greg04]

Originally posted by: dreddfunk
I know that the Q6600 price cut is really the story of the day, but has anyone really looked at the E4500 that was just released.

The stock speed of 2.2Ghz seems to be achieved by 11x200.

Is anyone else intrigued at the combination of an 11x multiplier along with a low starting FSB point for good overclocking?

It's darn close to the E6320 in price, so that's a downer, but I'm wondering how this next round of E4x will perform.

Any thoughts?

I juts bought a system - hereI'll let you know how high the 4500 goes.

 

[SerpentRoyal]

All about marketing. Only reason for 12x multi is if you have junk RAM and/or a lousy MB. C2D rigs do best between 430 and 490MHz FSB.

 

[kmmatney]

I would agree with the last comment - this is best paired with a cheap motherboard and RAM, and probably an overlock of 300 Mhz on the FSB. On average, the E4XXX cpus aren't as good as the E6XXX cpus. You will find an occasional good one, but many, like mine, don't overclock that high. Mine will do better, but only if I whack up the voltage.

I pin modded mine, but it didn't improve the overlock (although its nice having it default to 2.66 Ghz).

So in conclusion, I don't think this will be much better than the E4400, or even E4300...I bought an E4400 only because I bought a refurbed Asrock Dual-VSTA from NewEgg for $20 and I would be limited to a 300 Mhz FSB. I was able to run at 2.8 Ghz on the Asrock with an AGP card and cheap DDR RAM. I've since gave the old ASrock to my son.

 

[kmmatney]

The system is overall very good, but the E4500 processor will be hit or miss. The Tuniq is WAY probably going to be way overkill for your processor (as is my cooler for my E4400), but it will be very quiet at least.

I'm guessing that you will hit 3.3 Ghz, but you will have to bump up the voltage to 1.4+V to do so.

 

[kmmatney]

Originally posted by: Greg04

Originally posted by: dreddfunk
I know that the Q6600 price cut is really the story of the day, but has anyone really looked at the E4500 that was just released.

The stock speed of 2.2Ghz seems to be achieved by 11x200.

Is anyone else intrigued at the combination of an 11x multiplier along with a low starting FSB point for good overclocking?

It's darn close to the E6320 in price, so that's a downer, but I'm wondering how this next round of E4x will perform.

Any thoughts?

I juts bought a system - hereI'll let you know how high the 4500 goes.

The system is overall very good, but the E4500 processor will be hit or miss. The Tuniq is WAY probably going to be way overkill for your processor (as is my cooler for my E4400), but it will be very quiet at least.

I'm guessing that you will hit 3.3 Ghz, but you will have to bump up the voltage to 1.4+V to do so.

 

[DAC21]

Originally posted by: kmmatney
The system is overall very good, but the E4500 processor will be hit or miss. The Tuniq is WAY probably going to be way overkill for your processor (as is my cooler for my E4400), but it will be very quiet at least.

I'm guessing that you will hit 3.3 Ghz, but you will have to bump up the voltage to 1.4+V to do so.

Wait a minute hit or miss?, but concluding probably 3.3 Ghz?

I'm sure most 4500 buyers will be thrilled with 3.0 - 3.2 stable without to much increase in volts. Fact is hit or miss in that range will have a lot to do with a decent quality MB as well such as Gigabyte, MS or Abit. RAM I would agree doesn't need to be top notch, but you can get 2GB top notch for $75 - 80 these days, so why not.

 

[hans007]

well... its pretty nice if you are going to do a mild o/c. 11 x 266 is 2.93 ghz.. same clock as the e6800 just less cache.

 

[dreddfunk]

hans - certainly all I was interested in originally was achieving a mild/medium overclock with very cheap components.

Rather than go for the 4500, I'll probably buy the cheapest C2D-based cpu possible, the 2140, and be more than satisfied if I get to 2.66GHz with a 333MHz FSB, using either the DS3L or IP35-E and the least expensive 2GB RAM kit I can find. Right now, I can get that for a total cost of less than $240. In a few months, if I have the money, I'll drop a cheap quad-core into the system.

The only real question I have is whether or not I'd need a different HSF to get to ~2.6 on the 2140, or if the stock cooler will do.

Anyone have an opinion on this?

 

[kmmatney]

Originally posted by: DAC21

Originally posted by: kmmatney
The system is overall very good, but the E4500 processor will be hit or miss. The Tuniq is WAY probably going to be way overkill for your processor (as is my cooler for my E4400), but it will be very quiet at least.

I'm guessing that you will hit 3.3 Ghz, but you will have to bump up the voltage to 1.4+V to do so.

Wait a minute hit or miss?, but concluding probably 3.3 Ghz?

I'm sure most 4500 buyers will be thrilled with 3.0 - 3.2 stable without to much increase in volts. Fact is hit or miss in that range will have a lot to do with a decent quality MB as well such as Gigabyte, MS or Abit. RAM I would agree doesn't need to be top notch, but you can get 2GB top notch for $75 - 80 these days, so why not.

I thought that the OP should hit 3.3 Ghz, but that was only by bumping the voltage up to 1.4 Ghz, which I think it a little high. Maybe he'll do better or worse, but that's what I've usually seen with the E4XXX cpus - they "can" do OK, but they need more voltage.

I was a tiny bit disappointed only able to get 2.9 Ghz at default voltage with my E4400. It is still very fast, and my moterhboard and memory were cheap, but I was hoping for around 3.2 Ghz. The "disappointment" I guess was the fact that I was able to achieve 2.9 Ghz comfortably with both the stock heatsink, and my giant Scythe Mine Cooler. I thought the Mine cooler would help me squeeze more out of my cpu but it didn't gain me much, except for a cooler cpu. The OP might find himself in the same situation - the Tuniq tower being overkill for the processor that can be maxed out using a $20 cooler.

 

[hans007]

Originally posted by: dreddfunk
hans - certainly all I was interested in originally was achieving a mild/medium overclock with very cheap components.

Rather than go for the 4500, I'll probably buy the cheapest C2D-based cpu possible, the 2140, and be more than satisfied if I get to 2.66GHz with a 333MHz FSB, using either the DS3L or IP35-E and the least expensive 2GB RAM kit I can find. Right now, I can get that for a total cost of less than $240. In a few months, if I have the money, I'll drop a cheap quad-core into the system.

The only real question I have is whether or not I'd need a different HSF to get to ~2.6 on the 2140, or if the stock cooler will do.

Anyone have an opinion on this?

i know the stock cooler on the e4300 and 4400 i know is not even the copper core one that comes with the e6300.

so i'm assuming the e2000 series coolers are the all aluminum one. i have it on a celeron D 420 and it works fine for that, but im not sure it'll be too great at 3ghz or something

 

[Gophermofur]

I also recently got an e4500 running on the Giga 965P DS3. Although my Ultra-120 Extreme didn't arrive, I tried OC'ing with the stock Intel cooler. So far, it's stable at 11 x 260 (2.86) with a Vcore (in bios) set at 1.35. Temps are hovering around 63 at full load.

I have a feeling the board is going through some serious Vdroop issues here. Even though I set it to 1.35 in Bios, it is reported a fair bit lower in CPU-Z. Coretemp just never changes... it always displays 1.3125 (not sure why?).

Going above 260 on the FSB, seems to crash the system during Orthos, which I assume is a voltage issue. Is it safe to up the voltage a little because of the apparent vdroop?

 

[SerpentRoyal]

E4x00 chips are rated at 1.325Vcore. 10% bump in Vcore is safe as long as max temp is under 25C of Tjunction temperature. BTW, most of these chips have 100C Tjunction.

 

[Gophermofur]

Another quick question...

Which Vcore reading should be regarded as the most accureate? The one you step in Bios, or the ones reported by CPU-Z and other similar programs? I would assume CPU-Z, hence why there are so many vdroop mods out there, but I just wanted to double check.

Thanks.

 

[DAC21]

Originally posted by: Gophermofur
I also recently got an e4500 running on the Giga 965P DS3. Although my Ultra-120 Extreme didn't arrive, I tried OC'ing with the stock Intel cooler. So far, it's stable at 11 x 260 (2.86) with a Vcore (in bios) set at 1.35. Temps are hovering around 63 at full load.

I have a feeling the board is going through some serious Vdroop issues here. Even though I set it to 1.35 in Bios, it is reported a fair bit lower in CPU-Z. Coretemp just never changes... it always displays 1.3125 (not sure why?).

Going above 260 on the FSB, seems to crash the system during Orthos, which I assume is a voltage issue. Is it safe to up the voltage a little because of the apparent vdroop?

This is a low FSB that you are erroring out at. Not sure if it's possible to have a FSB hole at this speed or not, but you might try raising it to 270 -275 and see what happens.

 

[Gophermofur]

IIRC at 270 it just reboot, which I assume is voltage related. I was afraid to up the voltage too much without reading on the limits (which was my task for today). The vcore in bios was set to 1.35, but CPU-Z reported it a fair bit lower around 1.2xx. I think i remember seeing 1.29 but that's still a pretty big gap.

In any case, I'll try playing around with both the FSB and the Vcore to see if I can get it to stablize.

Based on what i've read, it seems as though the upper range for the e4500 temperature wise is around 70 degrees (while operating safely). Anyhow, it should be fun to play with tonight.

 

[kmmatney]

That is a really low bus speed to have problems, you should really be able to run at 266 Mhz without any issues, that's what the pin mod will do. You can defaintely give the cpu a 0.05 V bump in voltage.