E4300 - better to run at 1:1 ?

Gusty987

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Currently I have my E4300 at 2.7ghz (9x300mhz), and DDR2 at 800mhz (2.66x300mhz) for a FSB:RAM ratio of 3:4.

Now I've read its better to run a 1:1 ratio, is this true? If so, what configuration of multi's and FSB would be best? My mobo is a 965P-S3.
 

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Originally posted by: Gusty987
Currently I have my E4300 at 2.7ghz (9x300mhz), and DDR2 at 800mhz (2.66x300mhz) for a FSB:RAM ratio of 3:4.

Now I've read its better to run a 1:1 ratio, is this true? If so, what configuration of multi's and FSB would be best? My mobo is a 965P-S3.

I think the reason most people recommend 1:1 is that it allows you to get to higher processor speeds without pushing the RAM past 800MHz. If you're happy with 2.7GHz I don't see any reason to not use 3:4 assuming your RAM is rated for that speed.
 

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Originally posted by: Gusty987
Now I've read its better to run a 1:1 ratio, is this true? If so, what configuration of multi's and FSB would be best? My mobo is a 965P-S3.
The best performance on a P965 chipset, assuming equal CPU speeds, would come from having memory running as the highest clock speed possible, while having the FSB as close to 400MHz (but not higher) as possible.
 

graysky

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Do the experiment and let us know. Use a benchmark like x264 encoding, or something that will use a good chunk of time to complete.
 

yacoub

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Originally posted by: Gusty987
Currently I have my E4300 at 2.7ghz (9x300mhz), and DDR2 at 800mhz (2.66x300mhz) for a FSB:RAM ratio of 3:4.

Now I've read its better to run a 1:1 ratio, is this true? If so, what configuration of multi's and FSB would be best? My mobo is a 965P-S3.


So since DDR2 runs at 2x the bus speed and the CPU clockspeed is 4x the bus speed, if you ran 1:1 ratio (is that what "linked" means, btw?), at 300MHz you'd only be running the memory at 600MHz, so you're bumping it up an extra 25% with the 3:4 divider to get it to 800MHz, correct?

If that's the case, the first thing I would do (if you don't already know it) is to find the highest MHz clockspeed the CPU can run stably. If the max stable speed is 2.7GHz, then at 9x multiplier you can't get beyond the 300MHz fsb you're running now. So lower the multiplier on the CPU. Then you can push up the fsb speed further, which would allow you to run the RAM 1:1 and be closer to 800MHz.

For example, the E4300 is a 9x multiplier, so at 300 fsb, you're running it at 2.7GHz, but if you dropped the mult to 8x, the CPU would be at 2.4GHz (8x300). If your motherboard is a decent overclocking board, you should be able to push it upwards of 400MHz fsb. 350 fsb, for example, would put you at 2.8GHz when using an 8x multiplier. If your board and RAM are both good upward of 400fsb, drop the CPU multiplier further so you can keep going up with the fsb (e.g. 7x386=2.7GHz, 6x450=2.7GHz).

But you also need to know your RAM's max stable MHz as well. If your RAM can't handle 450MHz 1:1 (which would be 900MHz for it), you aren't going to be able to use 6x450 even if your board could handle it.

It's basically a balancing act between fsb speed, cpu multiplier, and RAM ratio, based on the limitations of your CPU, motherboard, and RAM.

The goal being to get the highest combined performance from the three that is stable, with the multiplier being the least important (meaning you can run a lower multiplier without negatively impacting anything (afaik).

So if you have an awesome motherboard that allows high fsb speeds, drop the CPU multiplier and run the RAM 1:1 as high as the RAM can handle. Just drop the CPU multiplier by one anytime you are about to cross the CPU's known max clockspeed threshold (2.7GHz in our example). Of course it is highly unlikely you can get the max performance out of all three, but CPU clockspeed according to most folks is easily the least important if you're already oc'ing it quite a ways (a couple hundred MHz on the CPU is an easy sacrifice to be able to run the fsb and RAM at a higher MHz).

If you have good RAM, you'll be able to push that pretty high, and you can always drop the CPU's multiplier to keep the CPU's clockspeed down into the realm it can handle.

To return to the hypothetical one more time, where your CPU is maxed out at 2.7GHz and your RAM maxes out, say, at 850MHz (2x425) (your board being able to handle more than the RAM in this hypothetical), you would still have several options:

1 - Go with 7x386 for 2.7GHz (max CPU oc), which puts the RAM in 1:1 at 772MHz.
2 - Go with 6x425 for 2.55GHz CPU, max RAM oc 1:1 850MHz.
3 - Go with some combination of RAM divider and CPU multiplier that allows you to get the RAM and CPU both closer to their max OCs. I hate math and don't want to start trying to figure that option out, honestly. :D

Performance wise, most people assume option 2 or 3 would be better than option 1, and would willingly trade 150MHz of CPU speed for higher RAM/fsb speed.

This is an area that needs more testing, especially on newer systems like 650i and 680i, because I don't think we have a lot of solid evidence as to what is truly the ideal way to go (CPU speed, RAM MHz, RAM 1:1, fsb MHz, or some combination of two or three of those four).
 

Gusty987

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Well I just did some experimenting, and apparently my board's (S3) FSB limit is somewhere between 350mhz and 386mhz (when I set it to 386, it just reverted to the stock 200 before rebooting). So I set the FSB to 350mhz and CPU multi to 8 for a CPU clock of 2800mhz. RAM is running at 700mhz (1:1) 4-4-4-12.

The weird thing is that CoreTemp, Orthos, and EVEREST are all showing my CPU is at 3150mhz (393.75 x 8). However, the POST screen and CPU-Z correctly show 350x8=2800. Wonder why this is?

I ran Orthos for 15 mins or so, CPU temp hit a max of 55* (stock cooling, stock voltage). I think this is okay.

Is it really better to run my 800mhz (PC6400) RAM at 700mhz?

I'm gonna run 3dmark to benchmark both 1:1 and 3:4...
 

kmmatney

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PLease report your findings - I would like to know this as well, as I just bought an E4400, and have DDR2 800 Mhz RAM.
 

Gusty987

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Stock everything: 3890 3dmarks, 1562 cpu-marks
350x8 1:1: 4123 3dmarks, 2379 cpu-marks

I'll run it at 3:4 next.

By the way, why the hell are my 3dmarks so low? I have a 7900GS for christ's sake. It says I'm the slowest system out of 43 similar systems.
 

yacoub

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Originally posted by: Gusty987
Well I just did some experimenting, and apparently my board's (S3) FSB limit is somewhere between 350mhz and 386mhz (when I set it to 386, it just reverted to the stock 200 before rebooting). .

That's possibly an fsb 'hole'. Try going higher than 386, one MHz at a time, up to at least 401MHz. If none of them work, then okay. There's a chance some might though. It also might require a slight bump in voltage but you should always be careful with that. I recommend checking other c2d overclocking threads for more info on fsb holes on motherboards and the danger of voltage increases. ;)

I also look forward to your test results. :)
 

Gusty987

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Originally posted by: yacoub
Originally posted by: Gusty987
Well I just did some experimenting, and apparently my board's (S3) FSB limit is somewhere between 350mhz and 386mhz (when I set it to 386, it just reverted to the stock 200 before rebooting). .

That's possibly an fsb 'hole'. Try going higher than 386, one MHz at a time, up to at least 401MHz. If none of them work, then okay. There's a chance some might though. It also might require a slight bump in voltage but you should always be careful with that. I recommend checking other c2d overclocking threads for more info on fsb holes on motherboards and the danger of voltage increases. :)

Well I tried 400mhz before and it also reset to 200. I'll try something higher now to see if its a hole or not.

When you say increase the voltage, are you referring to the FSB voltage??
 

yacoub

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I had a post written but the forums went down and I lost it! :(

I basically recommended reading up on voltages before messing with them, as that would be better than me trying to give you an answer. I don't know much myself and know less about your particular board.

I also said that I would recommend trying 386-411 but not much more than that. If that entire range doesn't work, it's likely you're simply at the max your board can do, at least at the stock voltages.