E3200 on P5Q Pro, High Vcore and can't get anywhere, need help!

[joe4324]

So I'm on day 4 or so with my E3200, on my P5Q Pro, I was hoping to hit 4ghz stable (like almost everyone seems to do???) on this chip. Here is my setup.

E3200 SLGU5, PCG 06
Arctic Feezer 7 Pro Ver 2.0
Asus P5Q Pro

Coolermaster 500W
Evga 8600GT
Seagate Barracuda ES.2

No other hardware.


In bios my CPU reads only about 2-3c Over ambient. Considering my room is very cold, (60F or lower) this usually means 16-20C. Right now at 3.2Ghz (12x266) @1.40 Vcore (1.328 in cpu-z) after 45 minutes both cores are at 45C avg.

So, I seem to have a FSB wall long before I can get to 333FSB. Which is what I need to get hit 4.0Ghz, and my multiplier is locked at 12x. Because I can seem to get my fsb past 300 or so tops (Vcore @1.6+!!!!!) It looks like I'm stuck.

I've tried almost every combination of settings in the bios I could think of with-in reason. But it just looks like my chip isn't 'magical' like most of the others. SLGU5 is supposed to be a decent stepping given how little time they have been out.

What do you think I should do?

If you give me some test specs, I'll return to bone stock and following your instructions and see if you can get me where I haven't been before. 4Ghz would make me happy. Less than 1.6vcore would be even better!

 

[Kenmitch]

Did you try to drop your multiplier down to say 10 and fsb 333?

What speed is your memory running at? Did you try dropping it down to slowest setting?

What is the spec on your memory?

Vcore is very high even for me

For ref this is what my e5200 will do on a $60 motherboard
4.25ghz (340x12.5)
vcore in bios 1.412 in OCCT at idle 1.39 and loaded 1.38
cpu termination 1.40v
cpu ref .882v
C1E enabled
CPU Thermal monitor 2 enabled
CPU EIST enabled
DDR-2 800 running at 907mhz @ 5-5-5-18 turbo mode

You may have a dud chip....But my guess would be your memory is holding you back

 

[joe4324]

Oh sorry, its 4x1GB sticks of G.Skill 1066, currently clocked at 715mhz? Timings are 5-5-5-15, most settings left at auto because I haven't found a difference in anything I do.

I'm currently in windows at 305 FSB.

Stable enough to run a 1M superpi (17Seconds) But unsure beyond that. I'll stress test while I'm at work.

Vcore in cpu-z is 1.456, in bios is 1.48.

3.66Ghz, Dropping the multi does nothing for me, so far my FSB wall is around 315, unless I go to 1.6V+

Whats the deal?!

 

[joe4324]

at 1.472 Vcore in cpu-z, after 15 minutes of Prime95, I'm sitting around 55-57C on both cores average.

Seems stable at 3.66ghz this way so far, but at these voltages I see people frequently WAY past me in clocks, I am hoping I don't have a dud.

**Update**

I was wrong, system freeze in Prime95, upping vcore to 1.51....


sheesh....

 

[Kenmitch]

Hmm....Yank out 2 sticks of mem and try it as I'd guess 4 is giving you a problem.

If it doesn't help you get your vcore down you may have a dud chip or you may have to play with other voltages also.

I had 2 dud e5200's one would only do 3.5ghz the other crapper out at 3.83gjz no matter how much juice you push in it.

 

[joe4324]

Hmm....Yank out 2 sticks of mem and try it as I'd guess 4 is giving you a problem.

If it doesn't help you get your vcore down you may have a dud chip or you may have to play with other voltages also.

I had 2 dud e5200's one would only do 3.5ghz the other crapper out at 3.83gjz no matter how much juice you push in it.

I was told this ram was cursed, but I have it strapped to my NB at 266mhz, this under clocks it from 1066 to 765mhz. How can it be still hurting the cpus ability to shine? I'm just at a loss here.

 

[Kenmitch]

Have you tried with only 2 sticks of memory instead of all 4 yet? This could be your problem and wouldn't take long to try. Sometimes when all 4 slots are full it will kill your ability to have a stable overclock.

 

[n7]

It's well worth a try with just two DIMMs to see what happens.

And stop expecting 4 GHz; that's not something every chip will do.

More NB voltage may help once you start getting to that FSB wall area.

 

[VirtualLarry]

And stop expecting 4 GHz; that's not something every chip will do.

This. Most E5200s will only get to ~3.6Ghz prime stable, at reasonable volts.
Kenmitch's E5200 that he started a thread on was a rare exception.
Most of the E5200s and E3200s and the like also have low FSB ceilings. So remember the multi on the E3200 is lower than on an E5200.

 

[joe4324]

Have you tried with only 2 sticks of memory instead of all 4 yet? This could be your problem and wouldn't take long to try. Sometimes when all 4 slots are full it will kill your ability to have a stable overclock.

I tried all configurations of the between 1 to 4 sticks that I have, and it seemed to make no difference, I'm guessing because its so underclocked its not holding me back at all.?

 

[Kenmitch]

Then most likely if your not having success going for the magic 4ghz then your chip will just not do it....Be happy with all the free mhz you can get out of it.

If you do a gradual overclock that is stable you will find that your chip will just require a little bump in voltage to make the next jump. Then you will find a point when your chip starts wanting a pretty large jump in voltage to make the next jump....This is the point when your chip is letting you know that it's getting to it's limit

You may be able to stabilize it at that point you may have to drop it down to get it stabalized. You could try to force her stable with more vcore it's up to you to as it's your chip

 

[joe4324]

Then most likely if your not having success going for the magic 4ghz then your chip will just not do it....Be happy with all the free mhz you can get out of it.

If you do a gradual overclock that is stable you will find that your chip will just require a little bump in voltage to make the next jump. Then you will find a point when your chip starts wanting a pretty large jump in voltage to make the next jump....This is the point when your chip is letting you know that it's getting to it's limit

You may be able to stabilize it at that point you may have to drop it down to get it stabalized. You could try to force her stable with more vcore it's up to you to as it's your chip

You hit the nail on the head, I should clarify that I am *very* happy with this chip, and can't believe it was under $50, I can do 1M superPI in 15s! (Last time I built a system 45s was blazing) My issues don't come my inability to go above 3.6-3.7ghz stable. Its just I was hoping for more considering it seems that almost everyone on low-end mobos with stock coolers reach about the same level. Infact I was running this at 3.7 (seemed stable but not fully tested) on the stock cooler before I got my Freezer 7 Pro.

I figured with the P5Q Pro, Freezer 7, and some patients I could easily hit 4ghz because I had so much luck with the stock cooler. But infact I'm hitting the same exact same wall.

Here is my general Observations on this:
E3200 S-spec SLGU5 Batch# 3910A981 (this is for others searching for info like I did)

Maximum Stable OC 3.6Ghz, 285fsb 1.425Vcore
FSB wall 315mhz. (I can boot into windows at 325, but unable to prime95)
Vcore requirements scale with OC evenly up to 3.2Ghz, then Vcore needs to climb quickly.

From 285fsb Vcore 1.425 stale, 305fsb Vcore 1.625 (seeminly stable)

I'm guessing 3.6ghz is about it.

 

[n7]

FSB wall 315mhz. (I can boot into windows at 325, but unable to prime95)

Yeah that isn't abnormal really.

It depends on the chip, but most of the 200 FSB chips hit FSB walls somewhere between 300-400 (a few lucky ones do well past).

My [rather old now] Celeron E1200 does 8x400 (3200 MHz) for 100% OC if i want, but i run it @ 8x375 (3000 MHz) as it does nothing other than act as a file server/backup sometimes.

My Pentium E5300 i'm running @ 12x334 (4008 MHz).
It can do over 4.1 GHz, but i have no real need to push it really, so i just settled on 4 GHz.

It hits a FSB wall right after my current FSB.
It won't even POST @ 350 FSB, but i did get 334 stable (haven't bothered trying higher as i can always use 13x multi if i needed to.

You'll find that generally people getting poor OCs don't brag/post about them as much as those who get lucky, since who cares about the lowly 3.5 GHz clocker when there's a 4+ GHz one to drool over.

If everyone posted as much about their less than awesome OCs, the picture would become a bit more balanced, but generally, they don't.

That & the more skilled/enthusiast OCers will tend to buy more CPUs to get that "lucky" one, so great results are again seen more frequently...

 

[E4300]

I have four E3200s. First two were stable at stock voltage (<1.29) up to a minimum of 3.5GHz on a cheap MSI G31TM-P21 with no Vcore adjustment. Both of these chips should be able to crack 3.7GHz @ 1.4Vcore without much effort.

Other two are still un-opened. I paid $30 AR for MB/CPU combo @ Frys. Easy the best value combo for most users. 3.5GHz is plenty fast unless you're a hard core gamer or video editor.

The yield is so good on these chips that one should have a 25&#37; chance of cracking the 4.0GHz barrier.

 

[Zap]

So I'm on day 4 or so with my E3200, on my P5Q Pro, I was hoping to hit 4ghz stable (like almost everyone seems to do???) on this chip.

The only people hitting 4GHz on those chips are the handful bragging about it left and right. Everyone else has lower clocks.

If all else fails, you can try doing a BSEL mod to your chip. What this does is to fake the motherboard into changing internal timings for a higher FSB chip. I've had limited success with this mod, but when it works, it really works.

 

[Kenmitch]

Maximum Stable OC 3.6Ghz, 285fsb 1.425Vcore
FSB wall 315mhz. (I can boot into windows at 325, but unable to prime95)
Vcore requirements scale with OC evenly up to 3.2Ghz, then Vcore needs to climb quickly.

If you can boot it at 325 then your wall can't be 315. The wall would be at the point it wont even post at. Once this is found you just back her down a couple and take it from there. Drop down the multiplier to lowest option and find it first. If your lucky 333 will boot as it would be best as it'll keep other things in spec.

Once you do this you can start upping the multiplier and vcore to stabalize it. Use Intel Burn Test to test it alot faster than anything else. Good for finding the vcore quickly. Sometimes needs a couple more ticks to pass OCCT or prime but it'll get you close very fast.

 

[joe4324]

The only people hitting 4GHz on those chips are the handful bragging about it left and right. Everyone else has lower clocks.

If all else fails, you can try doing a BSEL mod to your chip. What this does is to fake the motherboard into changing internal timings for a higher FSB chip. I've had limited success with this mod, but when it works, it really works.

BSEL mod looks easy enough, I remember the Athlon xp days

will it give me more multipliers though? I don't mind running lower fsb, if I had more multi's I could get just about anywhere...

 

[Soulkeeper]

3.6GHz is an incredible clock speed for such a low priced cpu imo.
Nothing is guaranteed, often times you hear about the massive 4GHz+ overclocks because people tend to like talking about the incredible success stories more than the modest overclocks.

 

[Zap]

BSEL mod looks easy enough, I remember the Athlon xp days

will it give me more multipliers though? I don't mind running lower fsb, if I had more multi's I could get just about anywhere...

You can't change multiplier. With the E3200, if you do the BSEL mod you will be RAISING the "stock" FSB from the default 200MHz to 266MHz or (a more difficult mod) 333MHz. The point of this is that sometimes it can help you get around a "FSB wall" if in your particular case it is a motherboard limitation and not a CPU limitation.

 

[joe4324]

You can't change multiplier. With the E3200, if you do the BSEL mod you will be RAISING the "stock" FSB from the default 200MHz to 266MHz or (a more difficult mod) 333MHz. The point of this is that sometimes it can help you get around a "FSB wall" if in your particular case it is a motherboard limitation and not a CPU limitation.

How exactly can a BSEL mod help you punch a FSB wall? I'm just curious because it seems that if it can't it can't you know? But that would be ideal. I wish I had more multipliers. I can keep it at 266fsb and go anywhere the heat would let me go. I guess thats what still frustrates me. My temps are the lowest they have ever been while overclocking, This chip starts at what, 1.12 volts?! Thats crazy low! I'm sitting in the mid 50's at max temp and ti just won't go higher, because I don't have more multi's ggrrr. I guess 6x-12x is really wide to begin with, so I probably shouldn't complain, I might try the bsel mod because this chip obviously can get really close. But what I wouldn't give for a 14x multi.. doh.