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E16 help? **update** XFCE effected as well

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Lifer
ok so i finally switched from Xubuntu to Etch, and am trying out enlightenment. i kinda like it, havent gotten used to it entirely, ill play around with it a bit for a while for sure though.

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the only thing really bothering me now is that letters do not always appear and sometimes compositing with XFCE doesnt work

this is not normal. what may be causing this? this is on meh inspiron 1000.

thanks 🙂

mini-update

an update: after trying e16 for a week (and i do indeed rather like it a bit) i switched to XFCE again, but had the same problem: text would randomly not show up as i typed

ive posted looking for some help in the debian forums, and got nowhere until it was suggested i delete my xfce config

so from ~/ I
cd .config/xfce4-sessions/

then
rm xfce4-sessions.rc

after that, and relogging into xfce, my text input works just as it should. its a miracle.

a few hours later (and i hadnt even logged out, meh) it starts to fvck up again 🙁 deleting it again has no effect :/

im browsing over the xfce documentation, appearently, there is no 4.4 docs (wtf?) yet (oohhhh, *yet*)

heres what ive tried and found out after posting at the debian forums a bit:

single-user mode has no problems from just the CLI, or after running startx
logging in from gdm to a failsafe terminal has no problems
the gdm itself has no problems
killing gdm from the terminal, logging in, then running startx fixes my compositing problem, but leaves the text input problem unsolved

any ideas?
 
E16 has been pretty much dead for what looks to be almost 10 years now, the last significant changelog entry is from 1998. But even so, I still use it cause it works just fine and still has some features that other WMs don't.

Last I checked E17 still had some pretty major bugs, I wouldn't recommend it unless you want to spend some time debugging things and sending in patches.

But AFAIK E16 doesn't eat any of my letters, so something else has to be wrong with your setup. What are you typing into when the text doesn't appear?
 
Originally posted by: Nothinman
E16 has been pretty much dead for what looks to be almost 10 years now, the last significant changelog entry is from 1998. But even so, I still use it cause it works just fine and still has some features that other WMs don't.

Last I checked E17 still had some pretty major bugs, I wouldn't recommend it unless you want to spend some time debugging things and sending in patches.

But AFAIK E16 doesn't eat any of my letters, so something else has to be wrong with your setup. What are you typing into when the text doesn't appear?
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everything :/

 
Are they all GTK apps? QT apps? There has to be something in common, although I guess it could be an X font problem.
 
Enlightenment E17 is awesome, however it is in no way for me a GNOME replacement, I have both the latest GNOME and Enlightenment installed on Fedora Core 6, but if you think about it, most people that use enlightenment end up reusing GNOME-based apps inside enlightenment, the only thing that many people are attracted to is the active animations which are kind of breathtaking , like the sparkling stars in the wallpaper, the fire coming from the desk bar and so forth.

For me it would be ideal if we can get the same animations working in a regular GNOME environment, it would be perfect, but at the end, E17 is not mature at all, and a lot of people like to play around with it, like I do but not a lot of those people would consider making it their main environment, but I can see it picking up momentum in the future.

DarkThinker
 
Enlightenment E17 is awesome, however it is in no way for me a GNOME replacement,
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Which is the point, I hate running a full Gnome desktop.

but if you think about it, most people that use enlightenment end up reusing GNOME-based apps inside enlightenment,
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So? Today it's either GTK/Gnome apps or QT/KDE apps, there's very few apps that aren't designed with one or the other in mind but they all work perfectly fine in other environments.

the only thing that many people are attracted to is the active animations which are kind of breathtaking , like the sparkling stars in the wallpaper, the fire coming from the desk bar and so forth.
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Or the way multiple desktops are handled, the window memory, the fact that it doesn't suck like metacity, etc.
 
Originally posted by: Nothinman
Enlightenment E17 is awesome, however it is in no way for me a GNOME replacement,
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Which is the point, I hate running a full Gnome desktop.
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i dont care for it either. i think i dislike it less than i dislike kde, and thus stick with gnome/gtk apps
after being used to xubuntu which defaults to those (more gtk than gnome)

its not a huge problem, just annoying. ill play with it this week, try something else over the weekend maybe.
 
I had a problem with text disappearing with GTK applications a while ago.

It only affected me on my PowerPC machine, but I couldn't figure out the source of it. I don't remember if I filed a bug on it or not, but it got fixed.

To make the text visable for me I had to open up gnome-font-properties and mess around with the hinting/aliasing settings.

I don't know if it was a problem with pango, the freetype libs, x.org bug, or what.

Is it GTK-only or QT-only problem or whatever?


 
For a file manager I'll give you some to try:

nautilus --no-desktop
nautilus --no-desktop --browser
konqueror
mc (midnight commander (recommended to try)

Otherwise you have things like rox-filer, gentoo, etc.

This guy has a hard-on for 'orthodox file managers' (aka 'dual planed')
http://www.softpanorama.org/OFM/index.shtml

I'll use mc time to time for specific tasks. But normally I prefer nautilus (in gnome or --no-desktop --browser out of gnome) for dealing with ~/ only and then bash for everything else.

try:
apt-cache search manager |grep file


 
Originally posted by: DarkThinker
Enlightenment E17 is awesome, however it is in no way for me a GNOME replacement, I have both the latest GNOME and Enlightenment installed on Fedora Core 6, but if you think about it, most people that use enlightenment end up reusing GNOME-based apps inside enlightenment, the only thing that many people are attracted to is the active animations which are kind of breathtaking , like the sparkling stars in the wallpaper, the fire coming from the desk bar and so forth.

For me it would be ideal if we can get the same animations working in a regular GNOME environment, it would be perfect, but at the end, E17 is not mature at all, and a lot of people like to play around with it, like I do but not a lot of those people would consider making it their main environment, but I can see it picking up momentum in the future.

DarkThinker
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Isn't Enlightenment just a Window Manager? Couldn't you use it with Gnome as a replacement for Metacity?
 
Isn't Enlightenment just a Window Manager? Couldn't you use it with Gnome as a replacement for Metacity?
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It's possible but then you'd still have the full Gnome desktop crap and the few times that I tried it, it never integrated quite right. That's not to say that it isn't possible to get it to work, but E16 just wasn't designed with that in mind so if it does work it'll probably take a bit of fiddling.
 
Nothinman, I am having trouble stoping metacity, it seems every time I do a killall metacity, it launches again (I guess it thinks it crashed so it launches again), how can I stop metacity properly?

DarkThinker
 
Nothinman, I am having trouble stoping metacity, it seems every time I do a killall metacity, it launches again (I guess it thinks it crashed so it launches again), how can I stop metacity properly?

DarkThinker
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If you mean while running Gnome then yea, that's the general idea. Generally you don't want to kill your WM while the desktop is running because then you won't be able to do anything with the windows so gnome-session-manager (I believe) restarts it for you. I believe Debian puts some extra entries in the GDM session list to start Gnome+E for you when you login, that would probably be the easiest way to try it.
 
update added to op as well

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heres what ive tried and found out after posting at the debian forums a bit:

single-user mode has no problems from just the CLI, or after running startx
logging in from gdm to a failsafe terminal has no problems
the gdm itself has no problems
killing gdm from the terminal, logging in, then running startx fixes my compositing problem, but leaves the text input problem unsolved

any ideas?
 
It's still almost certainly a GTK issue so the WM being used is irrelevant. And on top of that XFCE uses GTK so all of their stuff should be affected as well. Try using a non-GTK app when the input problem is happening and see if it's affected too.
 
Originally posted by: Nothinman
It's still almost certainly a GTK issue so the WM being used is irrelevant. And on top of that XFCE uses GTK so all of their stuff should be affected as well. Try using a non-GTK app when the input problem is happening and see if it's affected too.
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i was using GTK apps in IceWM as well

i installed Opera and Nethack-QT

the problem persists even in these programs under XFCE
if i switch to IceWM, they stop, not just in those two QT apps, but in *all* applications.

i dont expect it to be XFCE per-se, since i used Xubuntu previously and didnt experience this. however, could XFCE be starting something that may cause this type of problem? some background service that it would use but Ice wouldnt that could be interfering?
 
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