E ? mc²

[RideFree]

I hope you can "read" it...it's in Quicktime format

 

[TuxDave]

Are we reading the same set of slides?

 

[RideFree]

Originally posted by: TuxDave
Are we reading the same set of slides?

Apparently, you did not dig deep enough...
did you read any of the additional discussion(s) as linked at the top of Dr. Mayer's dozen or so slides?

 

[TuxDave]

Originally posted by: RideFree

Originally posted by: TuxDave
Are we reading the same set of slides?

Apparently, you did not dig deep enough...
did you read any of the additional discussion(s) as linked at the top of Dr. Mayer's dozen or so slides?

This whole rotating cube presentation was freaking me out so I didn't notice the link until now.

..... on second thought, maybe 2am on a work night isn't a good idea to start reading this.

 

[RideFree]

Originally posted by: TuxDave

Originally posted by: RideFree

Originally posted by: TuxDave
Are we reading the same set of slides?

Apparently, you did not dig deep enough...
did you read any of the additional discussion(s) as linked at the top of Dr. Mayer's dozen or so slides?

This whole rotating cube presentation was freaking me out so I didn't notice the link until now.

..... on second thought, maybe 2am on a work night isn't a good idea to start reading this.

Looks like several of us (I hate to use this word) insomniacs are lurking about this AM...;

?
Be ye an adjective or a noun?
adjective
1. experiencing or accompanied by sleeplessness; "insomniac old people"; "insomniac nights"; "lay sleepless all night"; "twenty watchful, weary, tedious nights"- Shakespeare

noun
1. someone who cannot sleep

 

[Rudy Toody]

E is actually a complex number with a measurable real value.

He presents a very cogent argument. I'd like to see the double-slit experiment performed to verify this idea.

 

[RideFree]

Originally posted by: Rudy Toody
E is actually a complex number with a measurable real value.

He presents a very cogent argument. I'd like to see the double-slit experiment performed to verify this idea.

You are quite correct, however, if I changed it from being crazy, would anybody read it?
I guess "E ? mc² " would have been sufficient?
Besides that, almost all real numbers are irrational.
Would you give me real but with an inexpressible component = irrational? Or does Philosophy fail?

Edited: Maybe |E| = mc² would have been better for the Topic Summary.

 

[PowerEngineer]

I don't have a very deep understanding of physics, but the right angle triangle presentation reminds me of the similar diagrams used in electrical power engineering to show the realtionship between real power, reactive power, and volt-amps in AC systems.

Volts-amps (or apparant power) is simply |V|*|I| (and forms the hypotinuse).

Real power (one one of the other two sides) is |V|*|I|*cos(aa) where "aa" is the phase angle between the voltage and current waves (and is the angle between the hypotinuse and the real power sides of the triangle).

The so-called reactive power (the third side) is |V|*|I|*sin(aa).

(see link)

People are always asking where the "missing" power goes. What they believe is missing is either the difference between volt-amps and real power (i.e. |V|*|I|*[1-cos(aa)]) or the reactive power. In fact, there is no real power missing. The phase angle difference is a measure of the energy being passed back and forth between the capacitive and reactive characteristics of the AC system. This passing back and forth balances out every cycle (every 60th of a second), so the "real" power delivered over longer time frames (and the power needed to be supplied by the generator) is just |V|*|I|*sin(aa). (Yes, I am ignoring resistive losses.)

Mr. Mayer's argument is that "complete energy" is the "linear sums of the magnitudes of the rest energy and the momentum energy" (and that "complete energy" is what is conserved). I can't help but draw the "power triangle" parallel, which would be that the linear sum of the real power and reactive power results in a "complete power" number that is subject to some sort of conservation law. I know that the latter is not true, so I have to harbor some doubts the former as well.

I'm just adding my two cents to the discussion. I look forward to the results of the proposed double-slit experiment and the reaction of other physicists.

 

[CycloWizard]

As with any other theory in this field, I'll pay a lot more attention when the proposed experiment is actually performed. He could have built the whole testing apparatus in the amount of time it took him to make such a fancy slide show.

 

[RideFree]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
As with any other theory in this field, I'll pay a lot more attention when the proposed experiment is actually performed. He could have built the whole testing apparatus in the amount of time it took him to make such a fancy slide show.

You are not familiar with the whole enchilada, as they say.

Dr Mayer is persona non-grata in the vast majority of the scientific community as what he is actually stating, shakes it's foundations to the roots.
Personally, I think he is in a position to shake the entire scientific community to it's collective core. It has roots across the entire spectrum from Astrophysics to Cosmology to the Laws of Thermodynamics to Quantum Physics to String Theory, "The big-Bang" and to possibly topple E = mc².

(Dr. Mayer received the following via anonomus e-mail on 2 Feb. '08)

[ Alex, ]

Considering the amount of money, the magnitude of people's programs, status and security plus the political budgets and connections invested in the structure you are threatening to dismantle, I expect you to be ignored so long as possible and when that becomes difficult, attacked in some very unpleasant ways. Being correct about your subject will remain irrelevant, perhaps for most or even all of your lifetime unless you are either lucky or able to line up some fully committed support strong enough that it can't be pushed around. Your best ally will probably be the internet and its bloggers. Like all rapacious beasts though, they will require careful and continuing feeding and management. I suspect you have figured this out but it may be tougher than expected. I trust that you have tenure or at least, a good lawyer...Vaya con Dios and be not dismayed regardless! ? "The only truly unforgivable sin...is having been right!"


The above paragraph explains why nobody is going to give him access to the equipment necessary to test his theory.
Shucks...most of those with access to this kind of equipment don't want their funding to fail if Dr. Mayer turns out to be right.

 

[RideFree]

Originally posted by: PowerEngineer

...real power, reactive power, and volt-amps in AC systems.
...

Ah, yes!
"Y" vs Delta and so on...
I worked for Public Service Company of Colorado for 9 years in the 60s.

That being said, I agree, the triangular metaphor is right-on. I would have never thought of it had you not brought it up. Thanks.

PS:
Anybody tell me why a KWH in Denver is 3.5 cents and in Houston it is 5x higher?
I'm serious! Houston's electric rate is 16.5 cents per KWH!
(Not to get off topic or anything... )

 

[KIAman]

Oh, you know exactly why

Power deregulation coupled with increasing cost of natural gas = lots of pissed of people.

 

[DrPizza]

RideFree, again, you seem to be claiming at one point in this thread that scientists are intentionally ignoring Dr Mayer's hypothesis. You're claiming that 100% of the people who could give him time on equipment to prove his hypothesis are against learning the "real truth" because it would shake up the scientific world too much.

I don't buy it.

And, without digging much further through Mayer's stuff,

Mr. Mayer's argument is that "complete energy" is the "linear sums of the magnitudes of the rest energy and the momentum energy"

Isn't it E=mc² for objects with no net momentum.
If an object has net momentum, then isn't it: E²=(mc²)² + (pc)²
In which case, mathematically, I don't have a problem with someone writing |E|=mc²
And, quite often, the mathematics points to things that haven't been studied in the past.

 

[RideFree]

I've been corresponding with him for about 2 ½ years and have other parts of the story that have not been made public.

What if proving his theorem "accidently" dismantled Hubble?s Law?
Personally, I believe that nothing less than this is occurring with the possibilities provided by Dr. Mayer's work...
and, there's more "dismantling" to come as a result (provided he is correct).

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: RideFree

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
As with any other theory in this field, I'll pay a lot more attention when the proposed experiment is actually performed. He could have built the whole testing apparatus in the amount of time it took him to make such a fancy slide show.

You are not familiar with the whole enchilada, as they say.

Dr Mayer is persona non-grata in the vast majority of the scientific community as what he is actually stating, shakes it's foundations to the roots.
Personally, I think he is in a position to shake the entire scientific community to it's collective core. It has roots across the entire spectrum from Astrophysics to Cosmology to the Laws of Thermodynamics to Quantum Physics to String Theory, "The big-Bang" and to possibly topple E = mc².

(Dr. Mayer received the following via anonomus e-mail on 2 Feb. '08)

[ Alex, ]

Considering the amount of money, the magnitude of people's programs, status and security plus the political budgets and connections invested in the structure you are threatening to dismantle, I expect you to be ignored so long as possible and when that becomes difficult, attacked in some very unpleasant ways. Being correct about your subject will remain irrelevant, perhaps for most or even all of your lifetime unless you are either lucky or able to line up some fully committed support strong enough that it can't be pushed around. Your best ally will probably be the internet and its bloggers. Like all rapacious beasts though, they will require careful and continuing feeding and management. I suspect you have figured this out but it may be tougher than expected. I trust that you have tenure or at least, a good lawyer...Vaya con Dios and be not dismayed regardless! ? "The only truly unforgivable sin...is having been right!"


The above paragraph explains why nobody is going to give him access to the equipment necessary to test his theory.
Shucks...most of those with access to this kind of equipment don't want their funding to fail if Dr. Mayer turns out to be right.

That's ridiculous. I could personally build the equipment for the double slit experiment in less than a month. If he really needs it done, shoot me a PM. I'd be glad to share the Nobel.

 

[RideFree]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

That's ridiculous. I could personally build the equipment for the double slit experiment in less than a month. If he really needs it done, shoot me a PM. I'd be glad to share the Nobel.

If you're really that well connected, why don't you contact him directly?
He is not all that hard to find. His e-mail is listed right out in plain view...I think it says something like, "Contact".

Make him an offer he can't refuse!

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: RideFree
If you're really that well connected, why don't you contact him directly?
He is not all that hard to find. His e-mail is listed right out in plain view...I think it says something like, "Contact".

Make him an offer he can't refuse!

I'm not well connected. I just build scientific instrumentation.